What the hell has happened to this place? I can pretend that I only noticed it when I returned, but I know it's been this way for a long while, and being away from the forums for two weeks just made me realize when I came back how fucked up it all is.

It pisses me off that I go on the internet to communicate with people outside of the face-to-face medium and all you see is idiots insulting each other in ways that they wouldn't have the balls to if that piece of plastic with letters on it wasn't perched in front of their zitty faces.

Moreover, it pisses me off that I can't go onto the internet and just talk about useless shit like what game is better than the other or what's on TV, because people are too busy venting their disgust at somebody deciding that they want to try a new organization?

It's a load of shit.

If these petty motherfuckers can't just get over the internet drama and act like civil people then why should anyone bother discussing anything with them?

It's just a forum. It's the same as any other medium of communication, except that people take it way too fucking seriously because of this organization shit making it seem like people have to take some kind of loyalty oath and swear that they'll never leave.

It's getting boring and formulaic, and it's really immature.

It's why I'm so pissed off at it happening now. I see it, and I realise how insipid and immature it is, and then I look back and realise that I wasted nearly two years on this shit.

What for?

I hate to be the clueless philanthropist of the forums, but can't everyone just get along? If you've got so much pent up aggression, go write a book, go paint a picture, go masturbate, whatever, it's all better catharsis than net arguing.

Here here.

Preach on my lil Nigga. :lol:

No, in all seriousness, I agree with you in a certain descent. I agree shit is being taken WAY too seriously, regarding the orgs, and regarding a LOT of other stuff, but I am also aware that some actions have to be taken in other departments.

Where you're coming from though, I agree. So I'm preaching mah shit with you.

If any of you are just here to argue with other members, then just leave because you're seriously wasting your time.

And JCC, you did NOT waste two years of your life, cause you didn't spend 2 years on this forum, if you DID, then you need to kill yourself for spending two actual years in front of a computer screen. :P

He's right though folks, don't take this business so seriously. And JCC, again man, you NEVER cease to amaze me. I still find it hard to believe your only 13. This kid is right though, things are being taken too seriously, namely in the orgs. And thus, I think I'm done with the org scene.

Well, one thing I want to say is that if I've ever "taken part in this org 'war', I've been joking.

I usually come here to talk about shit like music and games and that's what I'd like the orgs be for too. A smaller community which you can get to know a bit better and in which you can (again) talk about shit like music and games.

Another thing I want to say is that the thing in these forums that annoys me here is all that fucking around with "STAY ON THE FUCKING TOPIC", "n00b, you should liek say something new when you post n00b" and "Don't post 2 word posts!!!" (Not that I do any of this, but I'd like to have some more freedom. A lot of time I feel like the forum is too strongly moderated, although at the same time I know that it is necessary thanks to certain type of people) and also all the stupid arguing you already mentioned. Arguing is actually fine as long as it's not childish, but most of the time IT IS.

Yeah, some boring ranting here. I hate ranting. Actually, I'd rather go to talk about music and games and other shit like that.

No, but I spent far longer than I would have liked to think that I would caring about this kind of useless drama. I like to think of myself as being above this, because I do have an ego. The realization of how wrong I was to think that I have been above it for so long has damaged the ego considerably.

Oh the Irony of the thread.

Oh, I got to say that is so true.

lol

I said it to Sad, and I'll say it here, there's ALWAYS a solution. *Points to door.* Oh shit, that's the closet..... :ph43r:

True, some things CAN be a bit hasty, BUT, we DON'T want this forum turning into the Gamespot boards, right? EVERY FUCK POST IS FUCK SPAM OVER FUCK THERE. :lol:

Preaching to the choir here, mate. It takes someone directly involved in this to comment on it, and directly involved I was. For a LONG time I turned into the internet drama worshipper that I reviled. I'm embarassed when looking back on how I and everyone else acted before I was banned. The forum and the members all need to take a serious look at how we're conducting ourselves here, because it's degrading.

I think it's been more or less the same shit since I joined, but I've still had fun here. Just don't take it too seriously.

God I've never agreed with someone on this forum so much as I have right here and right now with this man. Win.

It's a sad fact, but wherever you may go people are always going to get a large boost of confidence whilst sat behind a computer monitor. This however always results in the prepubescent little shits being indentified by respectable memebers and from then on hopefully banned.



Looking at that now, I haven't actually addressed anything that's been said recently. Oh well :rolleyes:

Jesus christ why the hell you care so much? If you don't like it then just stay clear from that thread and thats that. There are plenty of threads that talk mindless bullshit.

It's a forum... It's not like anything is personal.

man, i had no idea you where only thirteen, you speak alot of sense for your age mate, i can honestly say that. Whenever i read your posts you make alot of sense.

i wish i was that honest and knowledgable at that age, i got into all kinda shit at and i didn't know right from wrong, little cunt i was

and yeah you are spot on bruv about rules and petty arguments, in a way, im glad someone had the fucking balls to speak openingly about it, i respect that in people, whenever i get a warnings, i can't help but think some things on this forum is run like it was fucking school, i could even go as far as comminism (i know how you yanks love communism :P )

so anyway mate i gota say....you are wise beyound your years ^_^

When it infects nearly every topic via snide remarks, there really is no escaping it. Besides, I don't want to have to avoid drama, I want to be able to go into any topic without seeing this crap, a computer monitor seems to give people the feeling that they can overreact over petty things in a way that they wouldn't in a face-to-face situation. A forum is the same as face-to-face or telephone communication, and so I would like from now on to see some peace. It's not too much to ask, I don't think.

I can say that I was part of the org war before I left MGC. However, that wasn't sanctioned by anyone in the org(in fact, they discouraged me) and it was only directed towards TSF as I considered them a bunch of idiotic noobs.

How serious was I? Well, I ment every word of it. However, did I take it very seriously? No.

JCC and Kam, you both have no idea what you're talking about.

People aren't angry because of a new org. People here have friendships here as strong as the one's in reality and are hurt because they weren't respected enough to be informed.

Oh? I understand one thing, if people are friends, then why is, "Leaving without telling SUUUCH A BIG FUCKING DEAL? :rolleyes:

Uh..well, CBJ has a perfectly good point to be honest. I can't relate, personally - because I haven't been around for years like alot of the other members. But, the one's who have, have built good friendships. And then, all of a sudden, this ''elite'' org comes out of nowhere, scoops up a bunch of members and it's all done in a top secret way. Everyone else is left in the dark thinking, what the fuck? Because naturally and rightfully so, they thought they at least were respected enough to be told all this was going on. But then it doesen't stop there, because now other ORGS are falling apart because of it under these new Org Re-model rules. TSF has had 4 members leave already, two of them straight into the Patriots, and one of them leaving because he thinks he has a shot at joining this big new shiny organization. Now usually, that woulden't bother me, but that coupled with the new ORG rules means almost definitley TSF will not be around by the end of the week. And I have a right to be mad, because I enjoyed TSF and having a private forum I could chat and talk to some of my favourite members of the forum, and to have that taken away from my forum experience cause of some new rules and this big new org is quite frankly, bullshit. Just my two cents anyway.

No one gets what this shit is all about. It has nothing to do with the org scene at all, it is a personal matter between certain members and has all been blown way out of proportion.

This matter should be simply dropped and forgotten, the people it effects will deal with it themselves and others should just stay out of it.

I don't know whether the 'stay out of it' was aimed at me, but I think i'm well within my rights to be annoyed that TSF has pretty much gone down the pan.

No it wasn't aimed at you Null.

Yet, when I left DC, I somehow got involved. I have my own reasons to have left, and you'll all see and be pleasantly surprised as to why I left too.

I have to say that I agree With Both Null and CBJ on this matter, CBJ knows exactly where I'm coming from and null hit the Situation Directly on the head. Couldn't have put it better myself.

I'm just sayin, this isn't a big deal at all. I mean, am I wrong?

Agreed. I still love these forums and love to chat about pointless stuff. I try to stray away from the more controversial topics because I always end up saying the wrong thing and it seems to be working. So why dont we just all have a sexy pirate dance? :o

Huh? BigK i thought you had left DC. You are back in now?

And, it might not be a big deal to you, but it is a big deal too some.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a private matter, that is what I've been trying to get through your thick fucking skulls. It only came up on the forum, because people like to express their opinions and feelings in org PFs.

You don't understand what this truly is about and why people are pissed/angry/hurt/whatever. It is personal, between people who have friendships that are as strong as ones you would have in real life.

It has nothing to do with the entirety of MGSF, only those people. And you are not one of them. Hence, why you shouldn't even be worrying about it in the first place.

Actually, it is. I have a life outside of this forum, but I still have a life on the forum. As Snake Liquid, I've made friends on the boards, and now everything feels as if it's being torn apart, and right at the center is the elitism. Just because you don't meet a person face to face, doesn't mean you can't be friends with them.

I've made friends with several people on this board, and now everyone is talking about what they plan to do after their organization collapses. Hell, I went away for one day hunting and I come back and MGC is disbanded, new org rules are in place, and The Patriots org is tearing everything apart.

Dude, I'm upset with the fact that I have almost been on this board for two years, and I still wasn't respected enough to know what the hell was going on. TSF is on the brink of splintering. We just lost four members, as Null pointed out, and now more are planning on leaving.

It is a big deal dude. Like CBJ just pointed out, this is personal. These people were people I considered friends and then they up and left with no real reason other than we'd be surprised and then the entire org begins to fail with what is put in its place.

What I don't understand is what you are saying is that a few people had a tiff so they do something that affects everyone? Something that destroys all the other orgs?

Just tell us.

No, SOMEONE screwed with my account when I requested being removed. Now I don't have mod powers either until my account is fixed.

Thanks a million, Solidus. <_<

Just an org. So now everyone thinks they're being betrayed. For example, people see me leaving DC as me overreacting to the whole TP business. Nope, I couldn't give a rat's ass. My beef is this, orgs should be fun, and now people are taking 'em too seriously. Fuck that, I want fun, and I'm gonna DELIVER fun. You guys just watch in a like 20 minutes when I get my thing finished. :thumb:

JCC

you are so right.

You are the one taking things too seriously Kam.

This still has nothing to do with orgs, just friendships. And just because you obviously don't believe people can have serious meaningful relationships over the internet, doesn't mean others don't.

People's issues are with people, not orgs, not MGSF, just individuals.

There is still an issue JCC brings up. People DO take the forum too seriously, and I agree.

Well, just down to pure speculation I'm going to come out and ask;

http://mgsforums.com/index.php?showtopic=20079

This thread here. Does that have something to do with it? I mean, whatever, it can be a personal matter and shit but i mean if it's been spilled out and caused people to leave orgs, make new ones and new guidelines that are pretty much shutting down other orgs..then it's not exactly a personal matter anymore. It's effecting alot of other people.

It's a fact of fucking life Kamran. Once in a while something is going to happen on MGSF that people make a big deal about even if they shouldn't.

If you don't want to make a big deal about it, then don't fucking look at it. You have free will don't you? You can choose whether to click on a topic or not. Just wait till the shit blows over and move on.

People taking things seriously here sometimes is inevitable. Be a part of it or ignore it, just get the fuck over it.

You don't realise that doing this is making an even bigger deal of it? By participating in this thread and reacting to the shit that's happening is taking it seriously.

Leaving an org won't escape it, it's everywhere.

I'm going to explain the Patriots, because you're all getting the wrong idea and blowing the consequences of the Patriots out of proportion.

First of all the Patriots was chiefly my idea, and though 'Fluxe and Tam helped immensely, I take full blame for any shit this may have caused. Planning started about a month and a half ago, starting with just me and 'Fluxe, and then Tam joined in shortly, and we wanted to do something that deviated from the norm in organizations to freshen things up a bit. So we decided to forgo a recruitment topic and contacted those who we thought might enjoy something of this sort and had them keep to secrecy, as this was supposed to be a surprise.

As Ryan and Alex have no doubt noticed, we don't have a Private Forum (yet). I decided against having one initially to keep the mystery going for a time, and to get people talking about us. For better or for worse, I took advantage of my administrative power, but keep in mind that everything I did was within the org rules that I helped write. I made damn sure we were within the rules, mainly because I'd feel like a colossal ass and hypocrite if I didn't.

This isn't about elitism at all, and anyone who's got any sense of how I administrate knows that I don't stand for that shit, be it in the staff, the organizations, or in my next-door neighbor. This is about starting something new and trying to kick the organizations in the ass.

Also, this isn't about crumbling the organizations, and I would say we drew pretty evenly from all sections of the board, from org members to regular members. MGC was on a steady decline, and it isn't the first time a handful of members have bailed on a stagnant org. And TSF: You guys have 28 members. I think you'll be fine, and going through them, you've got more than 15 active ones.

The new guidelines were written for purely economical reasons: there have to be barriers to entry into certain markets, or the market will be over-saturated and ruined. Current orgs who are borderline have probationary periods to get back up to pace. Come December 1st, no org will suddenly disappear - if you're in between 12 and 15 members, you're fine for at least a month, otherwise you've got a full month to recoup. Orgs coming into the fray must meet certain requirements, something that should have been implemented at the start.

Anyway, I agree that we all need to relax and let this go - myself included - but I think that this needed to be said to clear things up. If the Patriots now fall magnificently, so be it.

Well, I can't fault you Cobb. You are a brilliant admin, and even in situations like this you explain yourself and other peoples actions excellently. I have one thing to say though, TSF don't have 15 active members, at the moment all we have is;

Me
Snake Liquid
Ninja
Black King

Members left/leaving:
Ocelot11
Ichbin
Heli
SS52
Mr.Payback

Sometimes active;
Klash
Markthecool
Snake_ultsol
Ninja Girl
Shyne Bryght

That doesen't seem enough to get past the first org check up. These are my only concerns.

null its seems like TSF had a problem before people left..

Not entirely.

Me, Snake Liquid, Ninja, Black King, Heli, SS52 all regularly contributed,,with snake_ultsol and Shyne chipping in here and there.

Personally, I woulden't care if it was just the only active members we got left chatting in that forum - but cause of the new org guidelines, that might not be possible.

you make a good point, but answer me this:
What are orgs for? Aren't they for creating friendships in an even tighter way than the forum itself simply could? Perhaps it wasn't your intent but you've started a war by taking people from other orgs without warning, and then not even creating a recruitment topic to let other people in.

In essence you are excluding everyone.

Not quite friendly would you say?

You of all people should have predicted this would happen. You even said yourself that you wanted to "kick the organizations in the ass" and nothing good can come of that. You've forgotten what this is supposed to be all about, which is a real shame because you're the admin and we should be able to have faith in you that this sort of thing won't happen.