I've played every single Metal Gear game (aside from Ops which I refuse to play) EXCEPT (lol) for this one.

So obviously, I want to play this one.

Now, I'm wondering, should I get the remake (Twin snakes) or the original (Metal Gear Solid) which comes out in a pack of all 3 games in a few days (30 dollars much cheaper great deal).

Which one is better? I heard Twin Snakes is much more advanced and has first person, etc. so I'm leaning towards Twin Snakes, but Metal Gear Solid is the original, and perfect, so I'm not sure.

HELP!

If youre a graphics whore who wants to see a bunch of lame overblown cutscenes, with cheesy cliche action one liners, dull voice overs, and stunts that defy the laws of physics, get Twin Snakes.

If you like the Metal Gear series, and you want to experience MGS1 in all its glory, the way it was meant to be, get the original on PS1.

Its that simple.

I have played both and despite the added action in the cutscenes I would still prefer twin snakes over the original ps1 version b/c its tough to play through the game without the additional features added in twin snakes (like first person aiming, leaning over the wall to see around it, etc.) especially if you have already played through mgs2 and mgs3 and are used to them.

Well, respectfully, thats much of the problem with Twin Snakes. They added all those extra gameplay abilities, but neglected to compensate for the difficulty. The obstacles presented, and the levels in the game were not created with those features in mind. Having them take away much of the challenge that the original presented. Regardless, I, as well as many other MGS fans, feel that the original was a pure work of art in every sense. It touched people, not just as a game, but as an experience. Emotionally and dramatically. The Twin Snakes was created with the goal of presenting that experience to a new generation, but instead it bastardized everything for which it stood.

I'm thinking of getting the PS1 version now. 9.8 by IGN.

Does the PS1 version feel like Snake? I just want to have the great experience I had with MGS2 and MGS3 relived again. I can't imagine what it's like without first person though. Is it much different?

I totally can't stand Twin Snakes. MGS1 all the way. They changed to much in Twin Snakes and added unnecessary matrix type scenes. To far out. Also the voice acting is better in MGS1.

Main thing best with the original...the music. Enclosure is the best.

Besides the horrible matrix scenes, what makes Twin snakes worse?

Gamespot says it's really great if you never played MGS before and horrible if you have played MGS before.

I can understand how people would like it if they hadn't played MGS1 first. But with that being said, it goes to show you how much better MGS1 truly is to it.

Its just the little things, the music is one. My favorite song was taken out, which came into play on my favorite parts. So when they came up, I felt no emotion for the game at all...just bland cut scenes without it.

The voice acting as great either. Its like the actors didn't care the second time around so they didn't put as much emotion into it.

And of course, the matrix scenes just make your eyes roll. Something Metal Gear should never have had.

But yeah, another part I really can't get into cause it'll ruin the game for ya. But lets just say, some of the dialog change in important parts really upset me. Cause it went from an erry good...to a, "WTF did he just say???"


All in all, it truly is up to the player to judge the game, as everybody has different taste. But for me I'd recommend playing the original first.

Yea the original is coming out in 4days along with mgs2 and 3

i'll probably get the original along with it.

is it coming out in stores btw?

and does anyone know if u can save ps1 games on the ps2 memory card?

thx for the help guys

As far as I can recall...you can't. Don't quote me on that cause I don't remember 100%. But I think I recall having to use my PS1 memory card for the games.

god that blows

anyway thx for the info

after watching a sample cut scene from mgs the graphics are definitely decent enough

Np, if you have any questions, don't shy away from asking.

Yeah, while the graphics are out dated, they are still good for its time. And while playing the game, you totally won't even think of the graphics. You'll just get immersed into one of the best plots of all time.

solidfox pretty much sums up anything I could say about this. If you love MGS, then Id say Twin Snakes is at least worth playing once, but you definitely need to beat the original first. And yea, you have to get a PS1 memory card to save. You shpuld be able to find one for under 5 USD. Best bet is Gamestop, or a pawn shop. If you dont have any luck, try ebay.

I've played both and I much prefer MGS1 over Twin Snakes anyday.

tl;dr: If you like good graphics over decade old pixelated PS1 ones, insane real-time cutscenes over outdated pixelated PS1 ones, the same lines as the (yes pixelated) PS1 one except with improved translation, the same voice actors, and insane stunts that defy the laws of physics, get Twin Snakes.

The gameplay, the actual part of the game which you can play, like, with a controller, is freakin 3 hours long. I'd rather do combat rolls and hang from ledges than watch a pixelated Snake fire his pixelated SOCOM in 3rd person at enemies you can't see.

IGN sucks.

Gamespot sucks. Seriously, game reviewers suck in general. Don't trust them.

LOL BUT EVERYONE LOVES GREY FOX AND NINJA RAIDEN, I WONDER WHY?

Seriously, who cares. I'd get more involved in the plot with an actual life-like Snake with a OMG MOVING MOUTH then just a blur of brown nodding in time. And I love how you hate how 'over the top' the cutscenes were, yet you love the original VA's performances because they over-exagerated their accents so much. The cut-scenes, though not directed by him, were approved by Hideo himself. Snake JUMPING OFF A FRIGGIN' MISSILE to fire his stinger at Liquid did not take me out of the game, the shitty line from the original WELL THAT TAKES CARE OF THE CREMATION LOL did.

Everyone loves Gray Fox because hes an interesting character. His moves are acceptable because he is in fact a cyborg ninja. It hardly justifies Solid Snake leaping 30 feet into the air, and hopping off missiles like Peter Parker.

Raiden is a matter of opinion. Personally I think its a bit cheap to recycle Gray Fox's "coolness" just to make fans like Raiden. Raiden was cool character to begin with, but fanboy faggots couldnt get past his feminine appearance to see that. So in turn, Kojima caved, and altered his character entirely in an attempt to make people like him. But Ill reserve final judgment on that until I actually play MGS4.

I enjoy FPV and combat rolls as much as you, but you know what? Thats what MGS2+ is for. MGS1 wasnt designed for such abilities. Comeon, fucking hanging mode? Yea, that came in handy like one time in the entire game. What else...Lessee...Lockers? Didnt use those a single time. FPV mode did nothing but make the battle with Ocelot, Mantis, the Tank, and Raven cheap and unchallenging.

Just another kid who cant appreciate a classic. Ill be willing to be money (literally) that youre no older than 17.

Honestly, I dont mean to be a dick, but the guy above me is obviously one of the people Im talking about. The cremation line was pretty funny. Snake bouncing on missiles, and bending physical law like Neo was just plain stupid. It may be cool for Kung Fu movies, and anime, but this is Metal Gear Solid.

The voice overs in the original were full of passion, and emotion. In The Twin Snakes, you could practically tell that they were reading a script. Not to mention the fact that for a Gamecube game, the graphics couldve been much better. They shouldve been at least on par with Sons of Liberty, really they couldve been better. The Twin Snakes LOOKED like a 3D cartoon. Not to mention the character models were all off. Otacon looked weird as hell, Snake looked like someone entered a "Big Head Mode" code, and forgot to turn it off before releasing the game, and his facial structure didnt even look like him. What was up with that huge shnos?

Completely clueless on which one to get...both seem good and varying opinions.. hmm

Dont be misled by the ramblings of a casual gamer. If youre an MGS fan, you need to play the PS1 version. Trust me on this. Then again, its no skin off my nuts either way. But just remember, if you go with Twin Snakes, in the end youre gonna be saying, wow...thats was kinda gay. And youre gonna end up wanting to play the original anyway. Except youll have already sat through the entire plot, so it just wont be quite as gripping as it wouldve been otherwise.

Twin snakes is a good game, the game play is pretty amazing, graphics are better and the storyline is still the same...

The only bad points are that Twin Snakes has no emotion (Only because im used to MGS1) and in every conversation there is a long arsed dramatic pause..

There is a BIG difference between a freaking cyborg robot jumping around and Solid Snake, a human, jumping 30 feet into the air, dodging bullets left and right.

Btw, I can never read your post...your sig stretches my page so much. And there is no way I'm resizing my browser to read everything you say.

Interesting character? Sure, but his story would hardly stand out against a whole cast of interesting characters, like in Metal Gear Solid. The reason people liked him is cause he flipped out and killed people. Snake doing crazy shit did not detract from the story, it was just a nice bit of craziness to make you go 'WOAH!!'.

I love hanging mode, it was one of my favourite things in MGS2. They brought it back in number 3, but you never really used it. Who cares? If it's there, you can use it, and those who want to have fun with it, can.
Ocelot and Mantis are depressingly easy anyway. You take off a ridiculously small amount of health with a gun against the Tank anyway, same with Raven.

I'm 17, 18 in June. Who the fuck cares.

Yeah, it's not like MGS has any influence from those or anything.

It says clearly in my sig: I'm better at MGS than you. If I'm so casual, you should have no trouble beating my scores in the Leaderboards, amirite?

People, there's no need to be so butthurt that Twin Snakes is better than the original. It's a whole generation ahead of the old one, the only differences are upgrades. Which makes it better. QED

Okay. Get the PlayStation version. I'm speaking from experience here. Trust me. You can't beat the feel of the original.

If Kojima was here, he'd say the same thing.

I'd say Twin Snakes. In my opinon, it only improves upon the original. The graphics give a clearer image to the Metal Gear universe we know and love. I prefer the voice acting, and I don't mind the matrixy additions. (kinda think they're cool actually)

Good luck.

Twin Snakes is a good game. But it lacks a lot of what MGS1 had - the voice acting, the mood, the realism etc.
Twin Snakes has it's advantages, but in my opinion, MGS1 is superior. Graphics do not beat a game's tone and mood.

Reasons why Twin Snakes fell flat on it's ass.

1.) Fancy Cutscenes. Snake's a warhero. Not a gymnast.
2.) Voice Acting. Could they sound anymore boring?
3.) Ocelot boss battle= FAIL with FPV. Takes about...10 seconds.
4.) General difficulty.
4a.) Ocelot boss fight.
4b.) Psycho Mantis boss fight.
4c.) Wolves in the caves.
4d.) The fight against multiple guards after the death of Octopus(acting as Darpa chief).
4e.) The laser sensors leading to the snowfield.
4f.) Shooting claymores.
4g.) The fight with the tank.
4h.) NOT having to backtrack to the Tank hanger to get the PSG1 and instead just getting the PSG1-T available from the second floor of the Nuclear Warhead Disposal facility.
5.) Music- Almost all of the music was changed, The death of Meryl and Fox was WAY better in the original thanks to the music.

I could go on, but my hand hurts and so does my penis for some reason.

I recently replayed MGS1 on PS1 and it still holds up pretty damn well. Plus we get Mei Ling's cool accent. I don't mind the cutscenes in TS as is so ridiculously cool its like watching the matrix with MGS characters. The thing about Grayfox though is he's a cyborg so it's within his parameters to do thing a normal human can't. 1 Fault I had with TS is it didn't make me realt to snake as much, in TS he's like this super human man but in MGS1 all his actions are plausible. MGS is the classic and it's the greatest but TS is still entertaining once you've played MGS for the first time or your jsut a fan like me who doesn't mind the insane retelling of a story. IMO play MGS1 ps1 first.

Not only is Mei Ling's voice superior, but Naomi's as well. All voice acting and voice actors were superior in MGS1 to TS.

I didn't hear that they changed the voice for TS, I thought it was just in MGS4. In MGS her accent made her sound well mannered and fairly intelligent. I know I liked that one way more than the one in the mgs4 trailer.

Naomi:

MGS - Played with British accent, which sounded impressive and distinctive.

TS - Played with American accent, which never sounded unique.

Mei Ling:

MGS - Played with Oriental accent, making her very distinctive and likeable.

TS - Played with American accent, making her sound less distinctive.


I am not sure whether they had different voice actors, and I am unsure of the MGS4 actors. By the way, the American accent wasn't the problem, it just sounded less suited to the characters.

TTS is a decent game, but has it's flaws especially in the voice acting department, and it's a shame because in MGS4 Naomi sounds like she does in TTS rather than the original MGS. The original is the better version though.

The Insane Stunts makes Twin Snakes terrible. That's why I prefer it on the PS1, and I wish they made it for the PS3, wow that would, WOW any game, including the Fourth one possibly, considering they would add much more to it, most likely Camo, new guns and such. But, if you want good graphics, get Twin Snakes, if you want just, plain, awesome all around besides graphics, get MGS for PS1.

The scenes in Twin Snakes are complete bullcrap, like ocelot's gunplay when he flips the revolver then hits the tip of the barrel when it's upside down and catches it again, i decided to try it and i could do it. However i didn't like it when snake jumped off the rocket....

I love both games, but some of the stunts in "Twin Snakes" are just ridiculous.

" This is Snake, Colonel, can you hear me? *BACKFLIP!!* ".
I was willing to tolerate the scene where Snake jumps over, and lands on a rocket, but when he does a backflip in the snowfield to dodge Sniper Wolf's last sniper bullet, kicks his PSG1 ( Which was shot from his hands moments before ) rendering it airborne, catching it, doing a 360 degree turn, and firing in tandem with yet one more gunshot from Sniper Wolf and winning the battle was just ridiculous. It was AWESOME... But it wasn't that "Solid Snake" kind of Awesome.

Guys- take off the nostaglia hoods. Just because the voices aren't how you remember them, or the music or whatever, doesn't mean it's a bad game.
And anybody who thinks it's easy should be no problem with 'lol ocelot in 10 seconds' to get Big Boss, right? If so, get your ass in the Leaderboards and prove it.

I actually prefer a lot of the voice work from Twin Snakes over that of the original MGS. I'll admit there are a couple instances when things get a little odd, like;

" Except for your binoculars, You're naked. You need to arm yourself with whatever weapons you can find! "- Campbell, MGS1

" Exept for your binoculars, ... You need to arm yourself with whatever weapons you can find! "-Campbell, TTS

Also, I dislike intensely the fact that they removed my favorite line from the opening of the game;

" And finally, in charge of them; FOXHOUND Squad Leader, Liquid Snake "- Campbell
" Liquid Snake? "-Solid Snake
" The man with the same codename as you... "-Campbell

This final line " The man with the same codename as you... " is mysteriously missing from Twin Snakes. Why?! I loved that line. Alas, I may never know... Oh well.

...Little things like that. Twin Snakes is a solid title, it's just... different. Not bad, at least, in my humble opinion.

I played Twin Snakes after I had played MGS2, and I have MGS for playstation, and the originial is the better version, the jumps in Twin Snakes were amusing and cool, I didnt have a problem with that, but some of the script changing was, just...well, not good, and the accents (Naomi especially) kinda put me off Twin Snakes.

I played Twin snakes first. But I liked both equally.

The original has better music, a better game over screen, slightly better voice ACTING, and less over-the-top stuff.

But Twin Snakes had no uncessary accents (except for Liquid's, but his is awesome), I like the overall VOICES better, Snake has cool Punch, Punch, Round house kick combo from MGS2, Though some of the stuff from MGS2 wasn't all that necessary it still made the game cool.

Otherwise, both games are awesome.

I'd say TT, I know alot of people prefer the classic, I still love it, but Twin Snakes is better, perhaps they could have made a better remake but I was happy with TT. Any thoughts?

i'd say the same. i didn't like the fps view in this one, but the cinematics are not even in the same league.

Definitely the PSX version. Maybe the graphics of TS are better, more fluent, that's it. Some of the voice actors aren't even the same as the PSX version.