Look here guys som info about mgs4[spoiler]A villian we fought in 1998 whos that?[/spoiler] http://www.gameguru.in/sony-playstation-3/...tures-and-info/

In game time, that would be Big Boss.

No it wouldn't. Zanzibar Land occurred in 1999

As if these guys couldn't be off by a year?

Metal Gear Solid on the PS1 was released in 1998...

1998 is when MGS was released. Since the dates don't fit with Big Boss, I am going to assume it is an original boss from MGS. Vulcan Raven, anyone?

Yes, but Metal Gear Solid took place in 2005, not 1998...and I was assuming they meant in game time, not actual time, though I could be wrong. By the way, Vulcan Raven was EATEN A FUCKING LIVE, I highly doubt he's back from the dead.

I don't necessary think Raven ever truly "died" in spirit. He struck me as a medium, much like the Sorrow.

It could always be Decoy Octopus that makes a return. Think of all of the crazy scenarios where he could manipulate actors in the game.

Im pretty sure that by 1998 they do mean when MGS1 was released, not 1998 in MG Universe as nothing happened in 1998 - http://www.mgsaga.net/Features-Timeline-MG.htm

So im thinking one of the original bosses, maybe it could even be in a flashback. Who knows.

Decoy is dead ...

We didn't defeat Decoy Octopus, he died from FOXDIE.

I'd hate to say it, but it could always be...Gray Fox...

Who said he really died? Don't remember anyone ever taking his pulse. Not to mention it'd be a perfect set up. Fake death pill anyone? lol.

Also, I haven't actually READ that article, because it is blocked from work. So in response to the article possibly stating it is someone we've defeated, I didn't know it said that.

I still think Raven will return if someone indeed returns.

After thinking it over, Psycho Mantis seems more likely as when you return to the commanders office, his body isn't there.

I thought about it being Gray Fox too, but that would be ridiculous. Not to mention that Gray Fox wasn't TRULY a villain.

Nice article... but this one also contains some spoilers. Damn!

Anyway... 1998? There are three possibilities...

• Metal Gear took place in 1995 and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake in 1999 so who ever the article is referring to, Snake killed him before the Zanzibar Land incident. Here we have no 'suspects' because we don't have any info of what was Snake doing in between those two incidents.
• If the article is referring in real time then we are talking about Metal Gear Solid and the Shadow Moses incident. Here we have three 'suspects'. Vulcan Raven, Psycho Mantis, Gray Fox. These are the only 'suspects' we don't know how they really died. Raven just vanished after he was covered with ravens, Snake left Psycho Mantis for dead and Gray Fox was crushed by Rex but we haven't seen his body.
• The author of the article messed up the dates and the villain who is talking about is Big Boss who was killed in Zanzibar Land.

These are the only logical assumptions from me until now...

EDIT: Nevermind, I didn't read the whole article.

That would be so incredibly eerie....walking in their to find his body gone.

However, he had an epiphany after he was gravely wounded, so I can't see him trying to conspire against Snake.

Liquid is already alive through Ocelot's hand. It's not possible to appear as a character and also as a hand taking over Ocelot.

The article says it is someone NOT mentioned in speaking of MGS4, so: here are the possibilities.

It's nearly 100% that the other character is Mei Ling.

In regard to the character we fought and defeated:

Vulcan Raven
Psycho Mantis
Gray Fox ---------- no way, he is dead and gone. I can't see it happening at all.

I am convinced it will either be Raven or Mantis. I can see Mantis using his powers for GOOD, to try and stop Liquid Ocelot in the later stages of the game - perhaps in a life or death moment, protecting Snake, or stopping Liquid from doing something horrific using his kenetic abilities. The possibilities are limitless. THIS IS MAKING ME SO STOKED FOR THIS GAME.

No one interested in that last part about the Patriots?

I find that VERY interesting. Surely thats spoiler-ish aswell?

PSYCHO MANTIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole site is a bit sketchy too me, it wouldn't suprise me if it was all bollocks. How could the Patrtios be decendants of the Knights Templar? The Patriots was created by Ocelot and Mr X (most likely Major Zero), it doesn't make sense.

Wow thats pretty cool I have no idea who it could be or the other character not mentioned either. I'm so excited cant wait til june 12th.

Sniper Wolf was executed by snake
Vulcan Raven was eaten by snake (or at least was on this way to dieing), then eaten by ravens
Psycho Mantis was killed by snake
Decoy Octopus was killed by FoxDie
Gray Fox was killed by Metal Gear Rex/Liquid

cant see any off coming back in physical form, but then again, this IS metal gear.

People actually think Gray Fox is still alive... :rolleyes:
There is this game, called MGS1. And in it, Fox is crushed by Metal Gear REX. Play it sometime.

Ocelot.

We did defeat him. The article doesn't say the person was killed.

Yeah but we've also seen him in MGS2. Why the author is referring to the MGS1 date then and not to the MGS2?

We also already know that Ocelot is going to be in MGS4 and the author says that this character is currently unknown/not announced.

If you are implying about the 'real' Ocelot, it's not possible. Kojima confirmed that Liquid has full control of Ocelot's body and mind and that he put Liquid's voice over his in MGS2 for typical reasons. So the players wouldn't get confused.

Wow, I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned Liquid.


Or they could mean MG2 (Big Boss), maybe they messed up and are off a year.

So would that mean Liquid gets out of Ocelots body somehow or what?

It could still be Ocelot. Yes Liquid is in full control.... for now. No one has said the Ocelot might take over at some point.

I really don't see it being Ocelot. Regardless, Ocelot has been mentioned in trailers, etc. I think it is someone completely new. Yes I'm aware that Liquid is in control of Ocelot so TECHNICALLY Ocelot himself hasn't been mentioned, but that sounds bogus.

Vulcan Raven and Psycho Mantis both have the capacity to live on in spirit - they were both mediums of some kind. I think it will be one of them.

Possible, yes... but doubtful. Liquid is in control of Ocelot's body for 7 years (since the Tanker incident) and suddenly Ocelot is going 'to rise from the dead'? If he had the strength to do something like that I believe he would have gone for it, at least he would try but he didn't.

Although I have to admit that Kojima is 'famous' about his crazy plot twists...
We'll have to wait and see about that one.

@MGS Ehhh we don't know for how long Liquid has been in full control of Ocelot. It could be 2 months for all we know. From the end of MGS2 he could have been in control yes, but we don't know.....

The more and more I ponder this. I believe it could be Vulcan Raven. His last words in MGS were cryptic and sounded like foreshadowing:

"The path you walk on has no end. Each step you take is paved with the corpses of your enemies. Their souls will haunt you forever. You shall have no peace. Hear me, Snake; my spirit will be watching you."

[Snake turns around to find Raven's body gone, completely consumed by the ravens]

Vulcan Raven was a shaman. For those unfamiliar with what a shaman is or does, I have included the definition:

Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spirit world.

I can see Raven bridging the spirit medium to make an appearance in some shape or form.

Will the altair costume be able to?

Yeah, I'm guessing Psycho Mantis. If it is truly going by when MGS came out. Not the MG story line. Vulcan got ateded. Wolf got shot in the face. Grey fox...he's not truly a villian and he was squashed to bits. Liquid and Revolver are obviously in the game. So, the only other boss really that isn't for sure dead is Mantis unless wolf came back as Crying wolf. (Which I doubt) I think Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow will make a return.

What does the altair costume have to do with anything this topic is about?

FoxOr was spot on, well, he had my best guess anyway..

After them words from Raven I wouldn't be surprised if he made anouther apperence..

..well, maybe a little surprised

Edit: also, at Psycho Mantis returning. What possible use has he got in the rest of the story. Screaming Mantis has basically taken over for him anyway. Raging Raven isn't really linked to Vulcun in the same way however.

The Ocelot thoery is nice.

That's because it is.

For starters the futuristic Knights Templar lot are the crux of Assassins Creed plot. Come on people, use your noggins.

In future people if you're going to post something, make sure it's from a credible source.

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