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| Did The Rogue-FOXHOUND Let Snake Conquer Them? | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 16 2008, 11:22 PM (400 Views) | |
| Sybris | Jul 16 2008, 11:22 PM Post #1 |
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Almost initially at the start of the Shadow Moses crisis Psycho devised a cunning plan to manipulate Snake into activating the otherwise eternally dormant REX.. Now, did Raven, Psycho, Sniper Wolf all give their lives up so that the plan could succeed? It arises quite a confusing scenario in my opinion. Did they let Snake win? Why would they give their lives up for Liquid? Why couldn't Liquid just keep the PAL card from Snake when they stole his gear and then form it into the 3 different alloys to activate REX? I'm pretty confused. |
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| Samuraisedge18 | Jul 16 2008, 11:54 PM Post #2 |
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i guess liquid could have done it but i could be forgetting something. but the foxhound members were trying to kill snake. mantis said he didn't share liquid's ideals, he just wanted an excuse to kill people. i believe wolf joined to take revenge for her suffernings due to fighting when she was young before she met big boss. raven was just like born warrior. they were all kept out of the loop i believe. |
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| rain | Jul 16 2008, 11:58 PM Post #3 |
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^could be. or its just a plothole. or maybe they wanted to "test" him like Ocelot (?) did, but never excpected him to actually kill them. ? guess we'll never know. 
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| TOKUGAWA HEAVY INDUSTRIES | Jul 17 2008, 02:48 AM Post #4 |
 
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It's an old topic, but the issue's been discussed a bit here: http://mgsforums.com/topic/291397/1/ |
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| Adam Leos | Jul 17 2008, 05:11 AM Post #5 |
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i believe Foxhound was ultimately used. |
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| Solid Spartan | Jul 17 2008, 11:43 AM Post #6 |
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And I believe you could, indeed, be correct. 
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| 4urentertainment | Jul 17 2008, 06:11 PM Post #7 |
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and liquid didn't use the pal key because he didn't know how to, he tried getting it from baker but couldn't. So he let snake do it for him. |
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| black king | Jul 17 2008, 07:15 PM Post #8 |
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Liquid could have taken it after they captured snake after the first Wolf battle. I think he knew it changed shape because after you put the third one in(heat i believe) he says something like
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| solidfox | Jul 17 2008, 07:27 PM Post #9 |
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^ That doesn't really mean he knew back then. You have to remember he was in contact with Snake and the gang throughout the game Via codec. So he could've figured it out when Snake did and that's why he said that "sorry to involve you" line. That card was his only reason for wanting Snake alive the entire time. Surely he would've killed him off if he had known. Edited by solidfox, Jul 17 2008, 07:28 PM.
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| Sybris | Jul 17 2008, 08:56 PM Post #10 |
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Interesting, but Psycho was in on the plot, and he fought Snake knowing that if he killed him they wouldn't be able to launch a nuke.. I just can't believe Psycho would give his life up for Liquid, imo there has to be a different reason. |
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| solidfox | Jul 17 2008, 09:21 PM Post #11 |
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Mantis admitted that he never believed in Liquid's dream, so I doubt he gave up his life for him. I believe he truly tried his best to take down Snake.
Edited by solidfox, Jul 17 2008, 09:22 PM.
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| Big Boss. | Jul 18 2008, 07:00 AM Post #12 |
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I don't think they did lay down their lives, i think they gave it all they had and just got beat. As Raven says after his defeat, "just as the boss said.... it is my excistance that is no longer needed in this world." |
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| Nils | Jul 18 2008, 09:48 AM Post #13 |
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Surely you just contradicted yourself. Raven saying that suggests that Liquid knew Snake had a purpose, as to Liquid, Snakes existance was needed. Plus that line has almost nothing to do with FOXHOUND attempting to kill Snake or not. The truth is surely that we are never going to know what FOXHOUND chose to do. Did they try to kill Snake or not? It depends entirely on opinion. In my opinion, I believe that while Wolf and Mantis attempted to kill Snake, Raven only really wanted to kill him the second time they faught, while Liquid and Octopus wanted him alive. Ocelot would have wanted to show a charade of wanting Snake alive, but in reality want to kill him. (It would be easy to do. He could pretend that he was trying to wound him with a revolver shot, but the shot 'accidently' went wide of its mark and clipped him somewhere else) |
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| Samuraisedge18 | Jul 18 2008, 02:15 PM Post #14 |
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so liquid didn't know exactly how to activate metal gear with the pal card did he? that's why ocelot didn't take it? i guess you're just suppose to figure that's why liquid couldn't do it himself. maybe someone can recall a cutscene or codec conversation when they talk about it. |
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| Solid Spartan | Jul 21 2008, 05:13 AM Post #15 |
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| Big Boss. | Jul 22 2008, 09:21 AM Post #16 |
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Baker gave the key to Meryl (women have more hiding places than men) Liquid didn't know how to use it. When your getting tortured Ocelot says Ocelot : She's not dead yet. Wolf must have been feeling generous. But if you want her to stray that way you better start answering my questions right now. You were holding one card key. Where are the other two? What's the trick behind that key!? That weasel of a president said there's some kind of trick to using the key. With liquid being in contact with snake during the whole mission (as Master Miller) he finds out how it works and eggs on Snake to do make it work to activate Rex. As for my previous post i firmly believe the Foxhound team one by one turned to Liquid and said i'll stop him getting any further, and one by one they get killed ending with Raven trying to convince Liquid he will deffinatly stop Snake. Liquid in reply saying it's his exsistance yada yada. |
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| Sybris | Jul 23 2008, 07:29 AM Post #17 |
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But why would they try to stop him? If they did their plans would've been screwed. It's not like they tried after they knew how to activate REX. |
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| Salazhar | Jul 23 2008, 09:27 PM Post #18 |
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I think that they just didn't expect Snake to be THAT good and lost by the pure skill of Snake...i don't think they let him win or anything like that. Also i suppose they jst wanted to do a bit of good before they died...clear their sins. 
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| Samuraisedge18 | Jul 25 2008, 09:37 PM Post #19 |
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o yea. forgot about that. sometimes you have to play a whole game to remember something like that. guess ocelot was being truthful then. he really didn't know. |
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| Red Queen | Jul 26 2008, 11:00 AM Post #20 |
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@OP: No, I don't think so, because I believe every member of Foxhound was there executing their own beliefs and I don't think single member of Foxhound shared Liquid's ideals, and joined Foxhound for their own more or less selfish reasons and they were killed in the process. |
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