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Big Boss is the patriots
Topic Started: Jan 9 2006, 01:51:19 AM (1,231 Views)
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What if Big Boss is the new patriots. I just finished mgs3 last nite and took care to watch the last cut scene carefully. What if the too young men that say he is the sort of man we need are are talking about the patriots not fox hound.

i know you might not like this theory but i thought i would just but it out there to see what you guys thought
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Sorry, no dice. The man with the glasses was Robert MacNamara, the Secretary of Defense at that time. He probably knew of the Philosophers' existence, but he was not a member.
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I'd still like to know why Big Boss didnt shake the guy's hand before he walked away. did he have something to with the order to kill the Boss or what?
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I'd still like to know why Big Boss didnt shake the guy's hand before he walked away. did he have something to with the order to kill the Boss or what?

Nah, I think it had to do with something like he was just shocked that EVA had left and what her true story was. That is why he didn't shake the presidents hand right away. That is what I think anyways.
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he didn't shake the presedents hand cause ocelot was there and it stunned snake. Thats what makes me believe that some how the ending ties into Big Boss turn to the patriots .
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After Metal Gear Solid 3, around Metal Gear and its (true) sequel, Big Boss was behind terrorist actions against the US. The Patriots wouldn't sanction this, and, as a matter of fact, probably felt threatened by it. He was the greatest soldier in the world, and I somehow don't think that kind of man could be held under one's thumb by any means.

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maybe he wasnt under the thumb maybe it's a clever ploy by big boss to misinform the differnt government agencies into beliving a lie to create his outer heaven on a grander scale than b4. He once had his hand on the legacy why couldn't he get it back
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After what they have done to him, he should ne the Patriots? You know that with this theory MG and MG2 would be of no earthly use than...Also that he didn't shook hands with the president because he saw Ocelot is a very thin theory...I believe that this was a joke or something. I t suggest that he was thinking about what Eva said on the audiotape and that the Boss was no traitor
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play the ending again if you hold down R1 ocelot is out side the window when you go to shake the presedents hand the whole meeting at the end bends towards the patriots even the bloody gun you get once you complete the game
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I know that you see Ocelot behind the window...I only meant that it might be a joke from Kojima and his stuff. What's with the gun of the Boss? Think logical about it...Big Boss beeing the Patriots is too ridiculous...He hates them for sure! Also it would make no sense that he formed Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land if this theory would be right! he forced petrovich to develop the first Metal Gear, in MG2 it was even Petrovichs free will to create a new Metal Gear for Big Boss.
It could be that the Patriots maybe control Big Boss, for the case he should really be alive.
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Just a thought: Do you think there's a connection between "Gun of the Patriots" and the Patriot gun? Hmm...

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Honestly I don't think that those two things are really connected. I think the name Guns od the Patriots is somekind of metaphor or allusion.
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Big Boss a Patriot???? come on man, get real. If that where the case, MG and MG2 (the MSX games) would mean jack sh*t.

Big Boss hated the Patriots/Philosophers for what they did to the Boss and what they did to him. He never wanted to see another soldier used like that agian... just to be used by some ploitician to keep himself in power.

I always thought that the reason he was reluctant to shake the first guys hand was because of what happened, and that this guy knew what was actually going on the whole time, an possibly knew about the Philosophers. If Ocelot was in the window at the time, then that might also be a reason, but i'd like to think that was another reason.

Though, maybe what your saying is that in MGS4, if BB where to be alive, that now he's abandoned his beliefs, and will become a Patriot. But that would be a kick in the teeth to the fans after playing MGS3 and finding out his true reasons for everything he did in MG and MG2 Solid Snake.
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I dont think he is.
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Exactly what we all think.
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He wouldnt though, it would be completly against his beliefs. Probly what he was fighting against in MG1 and 2.
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To me, MGS3 clearly stated why he did what he did in MG1&2. And it makes us all the more sorry for this character because in MGS3, he is a truely good soldier. But between MGS3 and MG, he suffered so much pain through connflict, and saw other good soldiers die for nothing more that politics, that he had grown to be a cold man. He snapped.

So yeah, him to all of a sudden be a patriot would ge against his beliefs, and be a kick in the teeth to us after seeing him in MGS3 and going from 'hateing' him (in the sense of his purpose in the original games and the first two MGS games), to sympathising with him.
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It would be great if MGS5 would continue Big Bosses story in Vietnam err something. With a jungle/Asian theme.
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That would be very cool that. Tell another tale of the Patriots using BB for their own gain or something, and causing him more pain, and showing how he became a twisted lost soul. I like that idea, of a seuel to MGS3, prquel to MG lol :D
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That would be very cool that. Tell another tale of the Patriots using BB for their own gain or something, and causing him more pain, and showing how he became a twisted lost soul. I like that idea, of a seuel to MGS3, prquel to MG lol :D

It would be cool, but it should work its way up from his Nam days up to then.
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