Otacon ending vs. Meryl ending

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Otacon ending vs. Meryl ending
Topic Started: Dec 28 2007, 06:13 AM (899 Views)
TomokoChan	Dec 28 2007, 06:13 AM Post #1
Jail Guard Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #6,607 Joined: December 28, 2007	I'm not going to put a poll up just because I don't feel like it. Anyhoo... Why do most fans prefer the Meryl ending to the Otacon ending? Personally, I think it segues quite nicely into Hal and Dave's Philanthropy work, and it's a more interesting ending than the run-of-the-mill "hero saves the girl and rides off into the nonexistent Alaskan sunset" ending. This isn't about canon or what has been declared canon (I know the Meryl ending is canonical); I'm wondering why people prefer the Meryl ending, and don't care much for the Otacon ending. Sorry if I'm generalizing, but that's just the general opinion I've heard, and I wondered why that was.
	"It wasn't the fact that Snake would die; Hal could accept that. What bothered him so much about the constant danger was that he was unable to protect the person he loved. 'And Snake said I should be able to protect someone that I love...' he thought despondently..." -A fanfic that I plan to write sometime in the future.


sadistic_greyfox	Dec 28 2007, 06:17 AM Post #2
Hello I'm sad Posts: 11,580 Group: OH Emeritus Member #1,075 Joined: June 30, 2005 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty	well most people Love happy endings man, it's just human nature. I also like the Otacon ending quite a bit since it showed more of snake's human side. I don't think I prefer one over the other, the two are awesome endings.
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TomokoChan	Dec 28 2007, 06:18 AM Post #3
Jail Guard Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #6,607 Joined: December 28, 2007	Hehe, thanks! ^^;
	"It wasn't the fact that Snake would die; Hal could accept that. What bothered him so much about the constant danger was that he was unable to protect the person he loved. 'And Snake said I should be able to protect someone that I love...' he thought despondently..." -A fanfic that I plan to write sometime in the future.


God Told Me to Skin You Alive	Dec 28 2007, 06:23 AM Post #4
The Shape of Trolls to Come. Posts: 2,443 Group: Outer Heaven Member #4,955 Joined: April 15, 2007 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	I dunno, I actually preferred Otacon's ending- plus you get the stealth camo from it.
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TomokoChan	Dec 28 2007, 06:34 AM Post #5
Jail Guard Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #6,607 Joined: December 28, 2007	Ah, cool. I'm curious as to why. ^^;
	"It wasn't the fact that Snake would die; Hal could accept that. What bothered him so much about the constant danger was that he was unable to protect the person he loved. 'And Snake said I should be able to protect someone that I love...' he thought despondently..." -A fanfic that I plan to write sometime in the future.


God Told Me to Skin You Alive	Dec 28 2007, 09:13 AM Post #6
The Shape of Trolls to Come. Posts: 2,443 Group: Outer Heaven Member #4,955 Joined: April 15, 2007 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	Ok: Because it wasn't a soppy 'saved-the-girl' ending, the 'Hal and Dave' reference wasn't there, Snake was shown as being 'weaker' (which was a significant plot point), cause I thought it was the canon ending while playing MGS2 for the first time ever, etc. Happy?
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Young Snake	Dec 28 2007, 12:10 PM Post #7
Erotic Cake Maker Posts: 2,835 Group: DEAD CELL Member #5,710 Joined: July 10, 2007 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots	Yeah, the main reason many prefer the Meryl-ending, is because she doesn't die. Snake saves her and he's the hero of the day and so on. I don't prefer one over the other, but I like the Otacon-ending. The reason is that it breaks with the "hero-saves girl" thing, it's too old.
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TomokoChan	Dec 28 2007, 04:26 PM Post #8
Jail Guard Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #6,607 Joined: December 28, 2007	Yeah. Sorry, I just like to hear reasons and justifications. Interesting. So I guess I was wrong. Maybe it's just the people on YouTube who call the Otacon ending the "bad" one. XD
	"It wasn't the fact that Snake would die; Hal could accept that. What bothered him so much about the constant danger was that he was unable to protect the person he loved. 'And Snake said I should be able to protect someone that I love...' he thought despondently..." -A fanfic that I plan to write sometime in the future.


Solid Snake The Great	Dec 28 2007, 04:30 PM Post #9
The Hand Of Sorrow Posts: 7,336 Group: Patriot Global Moderator Member #1,874 Joined: March 15, 2006 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots	I also preferred the Otacon ending. As TomokoChan said before, it ties in nicely with the whole Snake/Otacon/Philanthropy theme, I think it shows a more human side to Snake (the grieving) and it's not your typical "save the girl - live happily ever after" ending. Personally, I prefer an ending with a little heartbreak mixed with a little happiness.
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black king	Dec 28 2007, 05:12 PM Post #10
Heaven's on Fire Posts: 4,716 Group: The Special Forces Member #1,711 Joined: February 4, 2006 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid	o like both but the "herp saves the girl" ending gets old after a while. i like how you can also choose the ending you want. Otacon may give you a better(imo) item because i perfer invisibility over infinite ammo. If you'r einvisible you won't need to shoot most likely



OcelotSnake	Dec 28 2007, 06:37 PM Post #11
R.I.P. 1UP Posts: 4,259 Group: DC Emeritus Member #1,223 Joined: September 6, 2005 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty	The Otacon ending would have made more sense considering their close freindship/partnership from MGS1 onwards. The only problem is Meryl's death in that ending. If she had merely been captured and then escaped afterwards (independent of Snake) then their awkward nature in MGS4 would also make more sense.



Roy Campbell	Dec 28 2007, 09:12 PM Post #12
Neko Boy Posts: 3,919 Group: DEAD CELL Member #1,834 Joined: March 6, 2006 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid	Personally I prefer the Otacon ending. However in that ending Meryl dies and she also turns up in MGS4 so I suppose we can't deem the ending to be the 'correct' one.
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TomokoChan	Dec 28 2007, 11:06 PM Post #13
Jail Guard Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #6,607 Joined: December 28, 2007	Yep, the Meryl ending is considered the canonical one. And the person with the GOAT!icon, you made my day. : D
	"It wasn't the fact that Snake would die; Hal could accept that. What bothered him so much about the constant danger was that he was unable to protect the person he loved. 'And Snake said I should be able to protect someone that I love...' he thought despondently..." -A fanfic that I plan to write sometime in the future.


jc55	Dec 28 2007, 11:28 PM Post #14
Posts: 2,500 Group: The Special Forces Member #6,577 Joined: December 18, 2007	I prefer the Meryl ending. Seen as Otacon survives anyway, they should have just stuck with Meryl in my opinion.
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Solid Scorpion	Dec 29 2007, 02:16 AM Post #15
FIAT LUX Posts: 266 Group: Members Member #6,487 Joined: November 20, 2007	To be honest, I never liked Meryl to begin with. <_< She was the factor that turned Snake into a run-of-the-mill "human" protagonist. Sure, I know and really do respect the fact that Snake is a human being who has his own share of emotions and all; but it would've contributed more to the uniqueness of Metal Gear Solid if Kojima allowed Meryl to die. So I must say that I prefer Otacon's ending -- but in different circumstances -- like having Ocelot lying about sparing Meryl's life if Snake resisted the torture. That is one of the reasons why I like Sons of Liberty more than all the others. It showed a rare scenario, with the protagonist having no choice but to fulfill the will of the antagonists -- not a very happy ending at all.
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TomokoChan	Dec 31 2007, 04:05 AM Post #16
Jail Guard Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #6,607 Joined: December 28, 2007	I'd agree with that. I think Kojima does some interesting things with his plots (though the thing where Liquid comes back to life in Ocelot's arm is a little shaky), and he breaks away from the conventions of most storytelling. Another good thing about Kojima was that he created a strong female character in Meryl who was a tomboy and came from an Army background. But that may just be because I like Zoe from Firefly... ^^; Interesting things everyone had to say. Thanks! : D
	"It wasn't the fact that Snake would die; Hal could accept that. What bothered him so much about the constant danger was that he was unable to protect the person he loved. 'And Snake said I should be able to protect someone that I love...' he thought despondently..." -A fanfic that I plan to write sometime in the future.


Vic Rattlehead	Jan 1 2008, 05:33 PM Post #17
Jail Guard Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #4,985 Joined: April 17, 2007	Well, I liked Meryls ending for two reasons, Meryl is hot, and it actually is the "official ending" of the whole game, since we will see Meryl in MGS4. But, after all it was kinda lame with all that lousy soft romance thing going on. It was almost too good ending to be true since everyone survived from Meryl to Otacon and Snake. It�s still good that it was the official ending of the game. But I have to say, that I loved the Otacons ending. It had so much more spirit in it, except the gay ending scene was kinda annoing. My heart was like ripped in to two fuckin pieces when Snake ran to see if Meryl ok, but found out that she was dead. The part where Snake shouts in the air "MERYYYYYL!!!!!!!!!" still gives me chills. The whole part where Snake says things like "Im a looser... Im not the hero you thought I was... Im NOTHING!" was so sad, I deffinitely felt the same when I first time was playing it. I think that if David Hayter should be proud for some voiceacting scene, this was it.



Mortiska	Jan 1 2008, 09:09 PM Post #18
Jail Guard Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #6,352 Joined: October 13, 2007	Yeah, I feel similar to how Vic Rattlehead seems to feel. The Meryl ending was the proper one, but the Otacon one had more emotion and gave you a better look at how Snake and Otacon are so close. Plus the satyrical aspect where Otacon falls half-way down the cliff, I thought that was funny.
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solidfox	Jan 3 2008, 01:48 AM Post #19
You're lying, I've been you Posts: 5,219 Group: The Patriots Member #1,427 Joined: November 14, 2005 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid	I had that goat icon for two years...I feel so cheap and used... Anyway, I have always loved the death of Meryl a LOT more than her making it out...It is that scene that made me believe Metal Gear to be my favorite game of all time...after first, simply because it was out of the norm...bad ass hero, not saving everybody and you can see him break down, and almost want to give up on life...not caring about the bombing and staying with her until Otacon becons him to go. There are three factors to this ending...the brillent writing of it of course... the AMAZING music, "Enclosure"...which is now my favoirite tune...and David Hayter's amazing performence...he really sold it and made you believe it. I point out the last two, because you can tell a real difference in Twin Snakes...Twin Snakes SUCKED the life out of this ending...I honestly shut the game off after that scene and didn't even finish the last few minutes until a year later...because I was so ashamed at what I had just saw...they changed the music to some crappy song...and David Hayter didn't even seem into it...this time around he just seemed so...bland...



FearHeldDear	Jan 3 2008, 02:10 AM Post #20
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