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| Topic Started: Feb 17 2008, 06:49 PM (5,829 Views) | |
| Take-Chan | Feb 22 2008, 12:49 PM Post #21 |
 
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Haha!(^^) thats not the same An example.. Anonymityhope's first Heatshot in the Duel Mode-->0.00sec...last Heatshot-->42sec. My Ocelot Unit Video on EEx...first Heatshot-->0.00sec...last Heatshot-------->32sec. You understand?(^^) The game-timer is quite unlike the time in Duel Mode... |
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| ichbinscissors61 | Feb 22 2008, 08:34 PM Post #22 |
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Ah... Thanks for that info, man. I wasn't really sure, but I knew pauses and things counted down your time. I'll make sure to think before saying stuff in future, I guess you'd know these things a lot better than I would. So, I don't have any idea how to go faster now, maybe your method is the quickest way, which I can't really do, it's tough to pull off. I'm not as experienced in the main game as some players. I just started my latest Foxhound today. End fight is planned, and I'm hoping overall time will beat 1:46 this time around. If not, I suppose I will have to settle for under 1:50. I'm on 12:28 on the Ocelot unit, I'm not nearly as fast as some players at getting there, using my own tactics. Still though, Unit method looks nice. I timed it on a stopwatch, starting just after the pause menu at the start, and the last one went down on 52 secs on the watch, so not too bad. Sadly the damn game froze when I loaded up again, as I had to eat after that timing one. This is the third or fourth time it's done this, I may need another copy...... Anyway, I may not do anymore tonight, but soon enough, my new Foxhound should be posted. |
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| skywalker | Feb 27 2008, 06:41 PM Post #23 |
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Yet another problem with the videos. The capture device I bought wont work with my laptop because is windows vista. It works fine on my desktop with xp on it, but it says it cant find the device whenever I try to do it on my laptop. My desktop is in another room from my tv so I cant hook the ps2 to the tv and the computer, what a pain in the ass. Edit: Alright, anyone who ever needs to know how to make the the DVD ExpressDX2 compatible with windows vista just pm me. I just spent the last 2 hours figuring this out. It works fine and easy with xp, but for those of us unfortunate enought to have vista, it takes some work. New video available. |
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| Webbie | Feb 28 2008, 01:54 AM Post #24 |
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Somehow I missed that the Ocelot Unit video had been posted up. I was quite impressed with that myself. You seem to be coming along smoothly with this run. Did you say you were aiming to have this run completed in under two hours, or just that you've already done it in under two? |
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| skywalker | Feb 28 2008, 02:53 AM Post #25 |
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Not under 2 hours, just under 3. As long as I get a foxhound rank thats all that matters. |
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| Take-Chan | Feb 28 2008, 08:36 AM Post #26 |
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I am curious how you defeat The Pain only with the MK22...Metallica_band from SDA had small problems with that. |
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| skywalker | Feb 28 2008, 10:21 PM Post #27 |
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Uhhhh, I thought it was ok to use grenades. Was I wrong about that? If so, im not going back to do it again. I have beat him with just the mk22 before though. I think the second time I played the game. It took forever, that is why I hate that fight so much I think, because of that time. |
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| Take-Chan | Feb 28 2008, 11:03 PM Post #28 |
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If it is accurate, then only with the MK22, but it does not matter without grenades it is very difficult.. The Pain, Ocelot, Shagohod..You can use what you want(^^) |
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| skywalker | Feb 29 2008, 01:21 AM Post #29 |
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I beat Ocelot with the m19, no gernades, but I did use gernades on the pain, I thought I had asked some where in another topic and he said he was going to use them as well. |
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| God Told Me to Skin You Alive | Feb 29 2008, 06:01 AM Post #30 |
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It's actually faster to use the shotgun on The Pain's bee shield, if you do the double-tap on the R2 button (Tactical Reload) fast enough. I think it costs less than using a grenade too, I can't remember though- found this out with Ichbin ages ago. He'll be along to clear it up soon... And as for Ocelot, are you playing Snake Eater or Subsistence? If you're using Sub, it's a good idea to use Stun Grenades against him, takes off a chunk of damage, cutting your time. |
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| ichbinscissors61 | Feb 29 2008, 11:01 AM Post #31 |
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Yeah, the shotgun would be faster, and does indeed cost much less in duel, 15 points per shot, compared to 250 for a grenade. However, in main game, I'm not sure how much difference it would make, as it will take four shots to blow the shield on E-ex, and you don't get many bullets. There is the option of going to the other platform for some though. The detour to get it may put you off, I don't know. Take-Chan - I heard you beat the Pain in 80 seconds with Mk22 only. That sounds amazing, and if Metallica Band and Skywalker can also do that in a similar time, then I think it should be used, as minimal equip is always going to look nicer. Not really my place to judge, but certainly if it can be done with fair speed, why not have a shot? Shagohod may be harder with mininal equip, but I heard someone on youtube suggest using the turret to bring down his health. Whereas he seemed to be under the impression K.M was going for kills, surely it could work, but only as a distraction, to stop Volgin, just to hit him once, then the Mk22 shots can begin. Either that, or try to hit him on the move with Mk22, which won't be easy. Unless you consider a turret equip :lol: , what I said here could work pretty well, and quick. I should link Metallicaband here next time I post in his topic, this is where most of the discussion on Naked runs is now happening. Btw, excellent vid Skywalker, I was most impressed with your timing, on the dogs especially. Must have taken ages to work that out. And I can imagine how frustrating it was lying next to a tree with your destination so close, but unable to reach it. Looking very good so far. |
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| skywalker | Mar 1 2008, 12:34 AM Post #32 |
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Ocelot is ready. The second half of the video is just the caves, I stopped and saved before the pain incase the fight didn't go well. Sorry about the movement in the tunnels, I had to watch it on my computer to see where I was going so it had the delay from the capture device and it was hard to move around with it. |
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| Webbie | Mar 1 2008, 02:45 AM Post #33 |
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Maybe it's just because I don't have Subsistence and can't use the new camera angle, but how do you accurately shoot at him without being in first-person? I can only do that when I'm atleast semi-close to people and even then I still can hardly get it to work. Anyways, good job so far. I could see right after the battle you weren't exactly sure where some of the passages were to crawl through, but other than that it's been a slick run so far. Keep up the good work. |
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| skywalker | Mar 1 2008, 04:00 AM Post #34 |
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I wasn't sure about the passages because I couldn't see it on my tv, then I noticed where I was capturing it on my computer I could see it, the brightness was higher on the computer so I started watching it instead, but then I had to deal with the delay of the capture device, its about 1 second. If you hold in L1 it auto aims at him, you have to shoot the animal in the background though because sometimes it aims at it instead. Also Take-Chan, can I link your speed run videos onto this topic, its speed run help and I think it would be good to have yours on here since it is the world record. If you want to do it you can, but if you don't wont to go to that trouble I will do it for you, or if you don't want them on here thats fine too. |
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| Webbie | Mar 1 2008, 04:10 AM Post #35 |
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So that L1 auto aim must work on other enemies as well? Thanks for the info, dude. I didn't know that the L1 button was good for anything. That should definitely make things easier. |
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| God Told Me to Skin You Alive | Mar 1 2008, 05:18 AM Post #36 |
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It's better in MGS2 (you can also use it in FPV), but yeah, L1 can be useful for hitting guys on the run, though I'm pretty sure it slows you down in number 3. |
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| Take-Chan | Mar 1 2008, 10:00 AM Post #37 |
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Yes you can..(^^) btw .. the pain without granates http://rapidshare.com/files/94839717/MGS3ThePain.wmv.html |
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| skywalker | Mar 1 2008, 01:49 PM Post #38 |
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Nicely done Take-Chan. I did know about shooting his gernades though, I ran out of gernades so I just figured I could shoot his down to get his bee shield. I suck vs. the pain. This may take awhile without grenades. |
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| Adnan_Kauser | Mar 3 2008, 11:45 PM Post #39 |
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I have some useful information about speed running help in regards to time lapse between saves and memory card functionality to make runs faster. I have tested MGS3 and MGS2. For those of you, who don’t know me yet, my name is Adnan Kauser. I previously held the record for MGS3’s quickest completion time in 9 segments with perfect stats with a time of 1:29:46. This was some three years ago now and the run hosted on speeddemosarchive.com has now been replaced with Merlin Medau’s excellent run of 1:28:07 in 10 segments soon to be preceded by his new time 1:25:54. We generally know Merlin as “Take-Chan”. I have other speedruns too which can be found all over the internet including the first Single Segment on record in 2 hours 2 minutes for MGS3, and other MGS1 and MGS2 Tanker runs. Currently I am on and off work for a Single Segment run for MGS2 Big Boss Rank on Euro Extreme to beat Anonymity’s time of 1:45:56 on just Extreme. I thought it important to state my credentials before making the claims I am about to make. In short I am going to describe how on any speedrun using saves in MGS2 and 3, time can be cut off almost anywhere, and give justification as to the possibility of a Single Segment run indeed being quicker than a segmented run. Hypothesis. A segmented speedrun is faster when there are less saved games on the memory card. A single segment run is faster than a speedrun because of the time lapse between saving and reloading. But is this proven and by how much. This may seem trivial and seem obvious but defining how much time is lost or saved can be hugely important and as an example I believe I lost around 1 minute on my time of 1:29:46. Now the difference in that sense between 1:28:46 and 1:29:46 is hugely significant. I tested two possibilities. 1. Having a heavy memory card, i.e. full of data, approx 15 different saves for MGS3/MGS2. 2. Testing the time lost or saved by saving. The Test. I compiled the test for MGS3 at the following screen. From the end of “The End” Battle after he dies of old age to the Krasnagorje Mountainbase or the start of the ladder room and then up the ladder. This is for consistency as this section can be repeated with almost perfect accuracy every time. Step one was to go from “The End” to the ladder and save. Then to reload climb the ladder then at the next screen save. My times where different so I repeated this 3 times to get an average. I then repeated this again but skipping the save and climbing the ladder straight away thus making it an of sort Single Segment, and then saving it here for time comparison. By doing this a time frame of how much time is lost or saved can be framed out. So what where the findings? In MGS2 I did something similar by going from the Engine Room back up to Starboard A then back down to the engine room and saving in between. Again this is for consistency. Findings On a heavy memory card I lost around 10 seconds by using 1 saves. I was 10 seconds quicker by skipping the save at the base of the ladder. Equated 6 saves loses you 1 minute if your memory card has around 15 saves. For my time of 1:29:46 I used 9 segments with 15 saves on the memory card. In theory I could’ve lost around 1 minute 30 seconds. However this seems unrealistic as Take-Chan did his run fairly faster than mine to achieve 1:28:07. Though this proves inconclusive and somewhat inconsistent I would say I lost about 1 minute overall by having a heavy memory card (I assume I built up the saves as I went along each segment, with a new save.) In terms of having a light memory card which Take-Chan does in his Speedrun by saving over his last time thus keeping only 1 saved file. I found that only 3 seconds are lost per save. This however isn’t by saving but by the animations that take place, i.e. running through the door again because you’ve reloaded, or entering the Codec screen to phone Para-Medic. The time it takes to save the game to the memory card ads to the internal clock. The same applies for MGS2 however I found that time works a lot differently in this game and I found myself losing around 15 seconds per save on a light memory card. Conclusion Though it’s still difficult to measure, especially with MGS2 as I believe that runs of frames per second count and not in real time. It is safe to say that the only time lost in saving is the time it takes to phone para medic and register the save, and the re-run of Snake entering the door for any given area in MGS3. MGS2 works weird and I cannot say conclusively how much time is lost. In theory I would say after extensive research that without doubt each save in MGS3 loses you around 3 seconds if your memory card is light. However I don’t believe in a 10 segment run that’s a saving of 30 seconds constitutes a Single Segment being faster. I believe that a segmented run in MGS3 will always be quicker. However if my consistent 15 second loss of time in MGS2 is founded to be true than the potential for a Single Segment run in MGS2 would outweigh the benefit of a Segmented run by some margin. 1. 3 seconds maximum are lost in MGS3 by saving. 2. MGS2 would be quicker in Single Segment. Hope some of you found this useful. Please enter your own findings to compare. |
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| skywalker | Mar 4 2008, 02:38 AM Post #40 |
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Take -Chan's speed run videos are posted now so those of you who haven't watched them already can just click on the links to see this amazing run. Also my Naked no equipment speed run is now just a foxhound run. I dont care how fast I go I am just going to finish the damn thing. I will continue to post the videos but please dont make fun of my boss fights as they are definately no where near what I would consider good. I dont want to even post them but I will, just to prove I did it. I just dont want to take the time to get these boss fights looking good, because except for on weekends I only have maybe a half hour to play a day. @Adnan: This is probably a dumb question but why does a single segment take so much longer. Is it because you have to eat more and fight the end, or because you have to be more careful as there is no turning back? |
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