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| Topic Started: Mar 25 2008, 02:53 PM (1,321 Views) | |
| Wilson | Mar 25 2008, 02:53 PM Post #1 |
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I think that the main problem with Twin Snakes is that it tried to be it's own game. If they had simply made it on the PS2, and removed all of the over the top action scenes, it could have been excellent. That way, it would be a REMAKE of MGS1, not a foolish attempt to make it something it isn't. All they should have done is improved the graphics and given the gameplay capabilities of MGS2 (hanging etc.). The voice acting should have been taken from the original game. And it should have been on the PS2. If they had done the above, it could have been an excellent remake. They had the right idea about graphics and MGS2 gameplay capabilities, but were wrong about so many other things (over the top stunts, new voice acting etc.). Agree? |
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| theodoreology | Mar 25 2008, 09:31 PM Post #2 |
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I have not played TTS yet, but from what I have read about everyone seems to agree with you. I think the reason it's on the Gamecube is because Kojima and Miyamoto were talking one day and Miyamoto said that Kojima should make a Metal Gear for Nintendo. But, yeah, a PS2 remake would have been ideal, they could just pull the original voice acting and you think it would have been a whole hell of a lot cheaper. But seriously, talk about a meeting of the minds! Kojima and Miyamoto!! ...holy shit, to be a fly on the wall for that one... Considering we're talking about who could be the two best game developers on the face of the Earth, it would have been easy for them to develop a total masterpiece together, something that could have blown every MGS game completely out of the water, but sadly, neither of them really took part in the development of TTS. I believe the Miyamoto was completely uninvolved, and Kojima was just a supervisor. Kojima says he's really interested in making a game for the Wii. I pray that we will get our chance to see some kind of collaboration with Miyamoto when he does, whether it's a MGS game or not. |
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| Wilson | Mar 26 2008, 09:15 AM Post #3 |
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I would like an MGS game for the Wii. I just thought that a remake of a PS1 game should have been made for the PS2, not a completely different console. And hearing Miyamoto and Kojima talk about games? That would be priceless. Zelda and MGS are the greatest game franchises ever. |
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| MGS. | Apr 1 2008, 05:23 PM Post #4 |
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Honnestly I think that the added action in the cinematics was quite appropriate. Its very well directed (the games and the cutscenes) and show what Snake is really capable of doing. You can see that Snake is really bad ass. I agree that they overdid it in some spots but... As for the graphics and the "MGS2 add-ons" I believe it was quite nesaicery because you have a "new generation" game. Its not back in 1998 so they tried to make it more "up to date". They keeped the aspect of the original game but you can not wait to see a full scale remake because it's made from another production unit in Europe and not the original in Japan. Kojima was only a supervisor and partial director in this. Thats why this looks all different than the original MGS1. We got used in seeing MGS with the japanese aspect, direction, "feel" and the different "touch" from Silicon Knights made us see it a little bad. |
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| MetalGearSolid | Apr 10 2008, 01:51 PM Post #5 |
 
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The insane action cutscenes are what made the game great, the cutscenes on MGS1 for the PS1 were dull. Quite frankly i think that MGS Twin Snakes is better all round as should everyone else, it was a clever idea to re-create the legendary game with updated graphics similar to MGS2 and brilliant cutscenes which added a new spark to MGS, which they then incorperated to MGS3, so in that respect it was a good idea and a great innovation. Anyone who would still think that MGS1 is more worthwhile to play than Twin Snakes should shoot themselves in the balls. Gamecubes are a good console and most people own them, im not quite sure why they didn't release for PS2 but its not that bigger deal. |
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| Granin | Apr 10 2008, 01:53 PM Post #6 |
 
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Over the top action scenes? In my opinion this was a nice change, and added more suspense to the game cinematics, they made the game more intresting and were something different from the original. 
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| Gatso | Apr 10 2008, 04:14 PM Post #7 |
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The action scenes are supposed to represent sold snakes great soldier genes. |
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| Wilson | May 1 2008, 07:18 PM Post #8 |
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No, because his genes are not for superhumanity, but for perfect soldier ability. TTS has superhuman, ridiculous scenes. It is NOT canonic, and in my mind, is not a Metal Gear game. |
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| Muikuli | May 1 2008, 07:23 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah right :rolleyes: I think that the changes in cut scenes were simply for the worse 90% of the time. The matrix aping wasn't even the worst thing, but for example, the new Liquid death scene is horrible. Gameplay-wise TTS is better, graphic wise also better but just about everything else was for the worse. I'd pick up MGS1 before TTS any day. |
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| OcelotSnake | May 1 2008, 07:38 PM Post #10 |
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I'd take issue with that. The gameplay on TTS is so broken it's ridiculous. Silicon Knights were doomed from the start because they were obliged to emulate the level design of the, then, 6 year old original (with minimal iteration).
That's...absurd. They were there to make him look cool. Kitamura, who directed Twin Snakes cut-scenes is well known for utilizing bullet-time photography in his films, hence the excessive amount of "Matrix" shit shoved in. Whilst the game isn't terrible, it really isn't a patch on the original. |
    
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| Wilson | May 1 2008, 07:42 PM Post #11 |
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OS is right. Those pathetic scenes attempted to make Snake something he wasn't, which is superhuman cool. Snake is not superhuman cool. He is extremely cool, but not in the stupid way the scenes showed us. And I too, prefer MGS1 gameplay. Okay, there isn't as many capabilities etc. but there is MUCH more enjoyability and tension, and dificulty is much higher. |
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| Super Zombie Monkey | May 2 2008, 09:44 PM Post #12 |
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Twin Snakes not canon? Interesting seeing as they used Ocelot MGS2 voice and Naomi's loss of accent is also present in MGS4. Also, THINK about it. Just ADD the voices from MGS1 to a cutscene of Twin Snakes. The idea is disgusting, so now I see why they changed Raven's voice and Fox's. Imagine Fox with the original dude? Revolting indeed. And I disagree with anyone that says MGS1 is harder. A few of the bosses are harder. Gameplay wise, hell no. The FPS doesn't save you that much. And the Clear will get you a lot, especially on Extreme. It's relatively easy to escape in MGS1, though I have only been caught in my recent play through of Hard about two times (Heliport, and that place near the Commander's Room). I think that Twin Snakes is actually MUCH better Voice Acting Wise and cinematic wise. Also about the cutscenes: everything Snake does, surely a man of his physique can do. The backflip on the missile: how impossible is that? Not very. Just a normal backflip. And it transitions scenes, which brings me to the fact that Kojima is a HORRIBLE director. Let's look at Grey Fox Vs Metal Gear scene. The new guy was great. Like when Fox dodges the bullets and everything, that was amazing, not because it looked cool, but because it rose your hopes that Fox may actually defeat Metal Gear, then it shows the slow motion of him rising to the air, and Metal Gear rising with the beam, and you see his inevitable doom. Then, when he lands, and is about to shoot, and he screams and is attacked, that was amazing. In the PS1 it just throws everything together. TS adds more emotion, like the thing were Snake throws the Katana blade into the ground. It shows Snake's respect and solemnity of Fox's death. Let us also look at the Ninja Massacre thing. The guy's best cutscene. You see Fox slicing the guy in half, then different angles and that horrifying music. And that one guy on the floor, Fox just walks, all normal, then his face turns and you see the blood. Beautiful stuff. |
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| FoxDie89 | May 8 2008, 01:31 PM Post #13 |
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I personally dont think MGS ever needed a remake. I bought a gamecube purely for TTS. There seems to be a split right down the middle for the subject, people either love it or hate it. I enjoy playing the TTS, it is a fun game to play. But if I want a Metal Gear experience I always play the original. In short MGS is an amazing Metal Gear game and TTS is a very enjoyable sneak-em-up. Just my opinion, of course. Haha. |
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| r0b | May 23 2008, 02:14 AM Post #14 |
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i totally agree with the Liquid death scene, its ridiculous! and i think they should of used the original voice talents too, i dont like Rob Paulsen as Grey Fox/Ninja the original was so much better. Finally i think they should of used the new codec system to co-incide with Sons of liberty. |
   
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| Bigboss64 | May 24 2008, 01:16 PM Post #15 |
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I have played the TTS and I have to admit that it would've made sense if they did make it for the PS2... although the cut scenes looked pretty badass I have to agree that it was a bit over the top still a great remake nonetheless |
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| snakeinthegear | Jun 1 2008, 11:06 AM Post #16 |
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I think both the original and TS are great. However, if it comes down to which one I'd rather play, it'd be TS for the simple fact, its much more pleasing to th eye. At the end of the day, the story hasn't changed. I's still the same story, hell its still the same game with noticable differences. However, if I'm feeling nostalgic, then I'll play the original but ultimately, I have nothing bad to say about TS because it is what it is and isn't trying to be something more. It's an updated version of a classic. |
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| Aero_Hudson | Jun 2 2008, 12:19 PM Post #17 |
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I'm loving TS. First time I have played an MGS game so I am biased to the original and as a result I can enjoy the game for what it is. I am currently on the 2nd disc on the roof of the Communications Tower. Personally, I haven't seen any cut scene too over the top at this point. I've actually enjoyed them quite a bit. |
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| r0b | Jun 4 2008, 06:10 AM Post #18 |
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the majority of the cutscenes are awesome, but there are a couple of horrible ones thrown in too |
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| The User | Jun 4 2008, 07:23 AM Post #19 |
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I enjoyed the all the scenes with Grayfox, especially the one where he is killed.
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| Gatso | Jun 4 2008, 01:20 PM Post #20 |
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I dislike MGS TTS very much for the new cinamatic stunts... they make snake look like a cheesey super hero. |
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