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Karate; Goju Ryu Karate-do
Topic Started: Jun 25 2008, 10:43 AM (110 Views)
Ocelotzilla	Jun 25 2008, 10:43 AM Post #1
Posts: 137 Group: FoxHound Member #8,972 Joined: June 24, 2008	Wondering if anyone here practices the discipline Goju Ryu (or another branch of karate like Kyokushin-kai, Wado Ryu or Shotokan). Or do you stick with CQC on the PS...?



iAn	Jun 25 2008, 11:57 AM Post #2
Posts: 7,960 Group: OH Moderator Member #160 Joined: June 7, 2004	Karate and most other forms of Martial Arts is fine as a form of art and or for sport. Not so much a fighting style. I have trained in Israel's hand to hand combat system known as Krav Maga (with a dash of Brazillian JuJitsu... tactical ground fighting/grappling). Very effective in real street confrontations. I generally stay away from fancy looking, but otherwise useless martial arts like Karate, TKD, etc.



Webbie	Jun 26 2008, 11:34 PM Post #3
CQC Redbelt Posts: 1,527 Group: The Patriots Member #6,569 Joined: December 16, 2007 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots	I agree about TKD, but not totally about karate. It all depends on how you use it. There's some very successful fighters in the MMA world that use karate skills to their advantage. Lyoto Machida (Shotokan) is still undefeated at 12 or 13-0, and he's beaten some of the best in the world. Georges St. Pierre (Kyokushin) is another one of the world's best pound for pound fighters, better than anyone in the world at 170 lbs. In most cases I'd agree that a great BJJ practitioner would own a great karate practitioner, but if the karate guy knew how to defend a takedown well enough to stay on his feet he could easily out-strike the BJJ guy. Edited by Webbie, Jun 26 2008, 11:38 PM.



iAn	Jun 27 2008, 02:54 AM Post #4
Posts: 7,960 Group: OH Moderator Member #160 Joined: June 7, 2004	Yeah, but thats hard to do. All a BJJ practitioner has to do is grab a hold of his opponent's gi. They can really aggressive when preforming takedowns. Its often very effective. If you close the distance fast enough, there is no room to strike and then before you know it you are on the ground.



Ghost Sniper	Jun 27 2008, 07:28 AM Post #5
The Point Blank Posts: 2,588 Group: Next Generation Special Forces Member #225 Joined: July 22, 2004	Not all TKD is useless. Many places usually teach WTF TKD version (World Taekwondo Federation), which is exactly the one in Olympic. It's basically sport version, not even considered a real martial art.
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Webbie	Jun 28 2008, 02:51 PM Post #6
CQC Redbelt Posts: 1,527 Group: The Patriots Member #6,569 Joined: December 16, 2007 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots	iAn Jun 27 2008, 02:54 AM Yeah, but thats hard to do. All a BJJ practitioner has to do is grab a hold of his opponent's gi. They can really aggressive when preforming takedowns. Its often very effective. If you close the distance fast enough, there is no room to strike and then before you know it you are on the ground. True, but if the karate guy is smart he would know that the takedown was coming from the BJJ guy, and that makes it a lot easier to defend when you can see it coming. Of course, just traditional karate techniques might not always be enough to take a guy out, but a boxer or kickboxer or a good muay thai striker would likely pick apart a BJJ guy who couldn't take the fight to the ground. Plus, if we're talking about how effective they are in a real street fight, neither guy is wearing a gi I would assume. It's really all about the takedown. I agree totally that most BJJ guys are extremely aggressive and are great at securing a takedown, and BJJ is probably the most effective form of martial arts in a real fight, but there are guys that are nearly impossible to takedown, like guys with wrestling (not pro wrestling) backgrounds and such. Royce Gracie versus Kazushi Sakuraba long ago was actually a great example of that. Sakuraba is familiar with all of the submissions and escapes, and he knew what Royce's gameplan was obviously, but the only sport Sakuraba was involved in before MMA was professional wrestling, so he really didn't even have an MMA background at all. Kinda funny that Sakuraba even caught Royce in a TIGHT ass kneebar at one point, but no way Royce was submitting. The fight went 90 minutes before Royce threw in the towel. Sakuraba also defeated three other Gracies that I know of: Ryan, Royler and Renzo. Two of them was by submission, but Royler actually didn't tap to the kimura, and neither did Renzo, though Renzo's arm was broken and that's why the ref stopped it. Ryan lost by unanimous decision, and Sakuraba actually spanked his ass at one point while he was in a dominate position. Weird guy. As for TKD, I believe the spinning back fist and spinning back kick came from TKD, but aside from those two techniques I've honestly never seen any of it effective in any way. Even Joe Rogan (a high level black belt in TKD and a color commentator for the UFC) says that TKD is probably the most useless martial art in the world. Bas Rutten also said at one point that they basically hand you belts in TKD, which I've heard others say.



iAn	Jun 28 2008, 04:09 PM Post #7
Posts: 7,960 Group: OH Moderator Member #160 Joined: June 7, 2004	I found my mix of several years worth of training in Krav Maga] with a dash of BJJ is good enough for me. Great tactical hand to hand fighting as well as decent groundwork. Although some of the moves shown in that clip were just too risky IMO. Keep it simple, I say. Could have used more armlocks too. But be sure to get a great instructor. There are alot of phonies out there. TKD instructors who take a simple test and read 1 book about it and call themselves Krav Maga instructors. Be sure to check their background first. My instructor was the real deal. Won a bunch of BJJ competitions, Purple Belt BJJ (trained with the Gracies), Black Belt Krav Maga, columnist for Black Belt magazine, Marine boxer, one of the very first UFC judges, and more I don't remember. He was a great instructor. The first 5 minute warm up is always garaunteed to get you dead tired and out of breath before the class even begins.



Ocelotzilla	Jul 4 2008, 03:13 PM Post #8
Posts: 137 Group: FoxHound Member #8,972 Joined: June 24, 2008	Not here to argue which is better than what. I practice karate. 8th kyu now. Great way to stay in shape with the added benefit of learning about self-defense. Goju-Ryu Karate combines hard (go) kicking and fist-punch techniques with soft (ju) open hand techniques with the emphasis on circular motion. It is the closest to CQC of all karate-disciplines. Locks, grappling, take-downs, throws.
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