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| Topic Started: Jul 6 2007, 09:39 PM (502 Views) | |
| TRiggER2117 | Jul 6 2007, 09:39 PM Post #1 |
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okay at pretty much the end of the game Roy Campbell starts actin really weird like he's not real (and he's not) but anyway if he isn't real in MGS 2 than is he real in Metal Gear Solid? :wacko: it's gettin kinda confusin |
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| Tamashi_7 | Jul 6 2007, 09:51 PM Post #2 |
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First of all – wrong forum. This is a story element so it belongs in the Sons of Liberty forum. Secondly, understand that the Big Shell incident is just a massive recreation of Shadow Moses in order to test what is ‘the S3 plan’. In any case, the Colonel is just an A.I. representing the real Roy Campbell – who is indeed a real person in MGS1. I’d go into more depth… but I get sick of explaining the ending of Sons of Liberty. If you wanna know more, though, I’d be happy to explain… but it’s best to replay the game a good few time so you can understand it yourself – I think you’ll find it a lot more rewarding that way. |
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| Vic Rattlehead | Jul 7 2007, 01:18 PM Post #3 |
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Ok, appereantly evrything is explained, but since you are speaking about the A.I. I had some sort of question, wich have confused me. So, some people have said, that Rose in the beginning of Plant episode is the actual Rosemary, meaning the real person, and that Rose changes to A.I. Rose when entering in Arsenal. Is this true? :wacko: At some point when I was playing the game(after I had allready complited it once or more, so I knew the ending) I thought that, why it feels like Rose is protecting Colonel? Besides evrytime Raiden was kind of unsure of doing the orders he had been given(like in part where Colonel asks Raiden to save President first when Raiden wanted to save the other hostages first, Raiden starts to act a pit rebel at that point)Rose appered and it seemed like Rose appeared evrytime it seemed Raiden might not do what colonel wants. That made me think that it is the A.I. Rose the whole time. Raiden were more close to Rose, so evrytime the A.I. noticed that Raiden acts like he werent going to do things colonel wants, so A.I. put on the Rose A.I. version, to manipulate Raiden more easily. Im sorry, cos I cant probably exlpaine it the way someone understands this, so id be pleased if some even answer to this: Is the Rose controlled by A.I. throught the whole game, or is there a real Rose in the beginning? |
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| Tamashi_7 | Jul 7 2007, 01:37 PM Post #4 |
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You make some good points, but the only time Rose is an A.I. is right at the end – just before defeating Solidus – not upon entering Arsenal. It’s JFK that speaks to you through Rose and the Colonel after GW was destroyed. Also, in relation as to why she reassures Raiden of his objectives from the Colonel – that’s because she is indeed an undercover agent from The Patriots, it’s her duty to manipulate Raiden into completing the mission. But in spite of the manipulation and such… she did love Raiden. When all’s said and done, we finally see Rose at the end of the game – I don’t believe an A.I. can appear in person. So yeah, there is indeed a real Rosemary – much to people’s annoyance, though. |
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| Jack Vegas | Jul 7 2007, 06:19 PM Post #5 |
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I believe that you had the real Rose up until after she tried to tell Raiden that she was pregnant, right before he met up with Snake in the long hallway. |
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| UrbanCombat | Jul 8 2007, 11:10 AM Post #6 |
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I thought Rose was A.I during the whole game to manipulate Raiden. She is indeed real, but the only real one we see is the Rose at the end. |
 
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| Tamashi_7 | Jul 8 2007, 01:02 PM Post #7 |
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Nope, sorry, the Rose you speak to through the Codec is a real person. I mean… look at the differences with Rose and the Colonel – their approach to things is nothing alike! Also, you’re always having all these extremely emotional conversations with Rose… I don’t think an A.I. would do. I mean, the fact is she was supposed to be manipulating Raiden… but at the same time, she wanted some questions answers which actually prevented her from do her job properly. All those intimate talks would NOT have been apart of the S3 plan… cause it was just screwing Raiden up. He only needed a bit of emotional support… but that was going a bit too far. Besides… if you remember, at the end of the game, she steers the conversation to one of the questions she asks frequently during the game – “Do you remember what day tomorrow is…?” Thus, the Rose we speak to via Codec is IN FACT the real Rose. |
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| Jack Vegas | Jul 8 2007, 05:34 PM Post #8 |
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Tamashi is spot on. Compare Rose's emotional responses and basic breakdowns over the Codec to the Colonel's response to things like the Seal Team being eliminated. Even his response to President Johnson being killed wasn't that big. Throughout the game the Colonel rattles off much like a robot, Rose does not. |
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| UrbanCombat | Jul 8 2007, 06:23 PM Post #9 |
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I see. Well I like to look at Snake's perspective rather than Raidens anyway so it doesn't really matter to me what Raiden and Rose get up to. I kinda switch off in a way, and just follow Snake's story rather than Raiden's. I couldn't care if she and her child die TBH. (Unless it affects Snake in some way in MGS4) |
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| Tamashi_7 | Jul 9 2007, 10:01 AM Post #10 |
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You see… that’s the thing – you gotta look at Metal Gear Solid from more than just one perspective if you ever wanna understand it comprehensively… Truth be told – you’ve got to look at it from a different perspective each time you play the game. I’ve personally found only with the aim of doing that can one truly begin to understand some of the things in MGS. Not to mention, it gives the game a long lifespan, so you can play it over and over. To be honest, I don’t understand why people are so narrow-minded when looking at MGS… I really don’t understand how people can be ignorant to all those different perspectives and aspects of the narrative. I mean, the story is told in a way that allows you to connect or just understand each character… it’s what makes it so different and unique amongst other video game titles. There is literally hundreds of different ways you can look at MGS… I just find it sad that so many choose to be ignorant of them. |
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| UrbanCombat | Jul 9 2007, 12:49 PM Post #11 |
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Of course I looked at different perspectives (from playing the game like 20 times) its's just that I prefer to follow one route. It was fun discovering things about MGS, like from the enemies point of view (such as Solidus's ambition to take down the Patriots) and even from Liquid's point of view, his quest to become more powerful than the Patriots themselves. It's just I now like to view the game from Snake's view. I will do that first in MGS4, concentrate on that part of the story, then continue to play again focusing on someone else. After that, I will play the game and it will all intertwine in my mind and I will understand it alot better. |
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| Young Snake | Jul 14 2007, 11:15 PM Post #12 |
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Umm, why do people refer to the A.I as Roy Campbell? It's not Roy Campbell, it's merely a colonel made up by Raiden's expectations as to how this colonel might look. The similarity with Roy Campbell is coincidential. |
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| TheFury171 | Jul 20 2007, 12:17 PM Post #13 |
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yes. hes in MGS1 and 4. and he was real in #2 he was just a computer. 
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| MachinegunHedgehog | Jul 14 2008, 01:00 PM Post #14 |
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Correct. Like when he gives you his frequency at the start the way he says the numbers is very robot like. |
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| Sybris | Jul 14 2008, 04:51 PM Post #15 |
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Basically: MGS 1 - Colonel = REAL. Snake met him in real life during the briefing and had been in touch during his journey through FOXHOUND. MGS 2 - Colonel = FAKE. Raiden actually admits 'I've never met the man actually'. He's an adaptive AI based on Raiden's 'feelings and expectations', when he starts going crazy, that is because the virus made by E.E is affecting the Colonel. Edited by Sybris, Jul 14 2008, 04:52 PM.
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| Salazhar | Jul 23 2008, 09:56 PM Post #16 |
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It had me confused...when campbell told me to turn off the console coz i had been playing too long I actually did!! I'M such an idiot. 
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