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| Topic Started: Jul 8 2008, 08:56 PM (560 Views) | |
| MachinegunHedgehog | Jul 8 2008, 08:56 PM Post #1 |
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What's your opinion on Mercs? Money Hungry or have they a good reason for their profession? |
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| Helikaon | Jul 8 2008, 09:21 PM Post #2 |
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I'm neutral. They've always been around and they always will be. I just get the feeling that if you want to fight for money rather than ideals so much then you could just sign up for your nations military. However that said mercenaries do generally get paid and looked after better than enlisted soldiers. The only experience I have with mercenaries comes from the media. First and foremost from MGS, the first time I heard the word "mercenary" was in a MGS game (MGS 1 to be precise). |
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| MachinegunHedgehog | Jul 8 2008, 11:11 PM Post #3 |
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Some Private Security Contractors (in Iraq for example) have been labelled Mercenary Groups by the tabloid media. What do you think of that? |
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| XxGRAY-FOXX-xX | Jul 9 2008, 03:50 AM Post #4 |
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you mean pmc, they are different than mercenaries, i stand with yes, they are just trying to make a living, but sometimes they abuse their powers, such as the black water company did in iraq, and they get bad reps, but the truth of the matter is, the majority of mercs wont do that because they would like their business to continue with that nation |
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| MachinegunHedgehog | Jul 9 2008, 08:11 AM Post #5 |
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PMC stands for private milatary company doesn't it? |
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| Register | Jul 9 2008, 09:52 AM Post #6 |
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PMCs and PSCs are just like soldiers; people who freely let themselves be brainwashed to be able to kill others. The only difference is that the people of PMCs and PSCs are in general only there because they weren't good enough for the real military(and that says a lot). |
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| OuterJaccob | Jul 9 2008, 03:08 PM Post #7 |
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Violence for profit, I don't agree with it particularly, but mercs still probably have more morals and values than most national or state military, they're no worse than anyone else in any other troublespot, the only difference is they're not tied down to some insane VIP's political ideologies. |
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| Roy Campbell | Jul 9 2008, 06:39 PM Post #8 |
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Do they do it just for money? Most of them yes. Do I have a problem with that? Not really. You have to make your living one way or another and the killing wont stop if mercenaries just vanished overnight. |
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| Null | Jul 12 2008, 01:09 AM Post #9 |
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Really? I highly doubt that. Infact alot of PMC and PSC merc's are ex-military as far as my knowledge goes. |
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| OcelotSnake | Jul 12 2008, 02:41 AM Post #10 |
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What an erroneous load of guff. Combat is clearly a factor to soldiering (you might say an inevitability) but that doesn't mean that the armed forces are as ideologically shallow as John "killing's as easy as breathing" Rambo. Yes, that's right, they also do a spot of humanitarian and peacekeeping work in-between all that pillaging and heartless slaughter. |
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| Soriddo Suneku | Jul 12 2008, 05:09 AM Post #11 |
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Ehhh... You don't have to be "good" to be good enough for the military in the U.S. As long as you don't get disqualified at MEPS, they take you, with no psyche evaluation or anything. Companies like Blackwater will generally sneer at you unless you have exceptional military and intelligence experience. Your odds of getting hired are significantly lessened if you do not have experience in some form of Spec Ops units, or at least private intelligence. And I'm considering applying myself for one of the larger PMC's in the next two years after I pick up the second language fluently enough. That probably gives you a good enough idea of my moral standings on the issue. You can call me amoral if you wish, it won't really make any difference to me really. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Or maybe my morals are just a bit skewed from yours. I won't deny that killing is wrong, any way you slice it. **shrugs** |
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| OuterJaccob | Jul 12 2008, 05:52 AM Post #12 |
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Apply to Triple Canopy, the training course they put you through is really long, but once you're done, you'll be qualified for just about any military or law enforcement job in the world, private or government. |
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| BigBoss14 | Jul 12 2008, 06:10 AM Post #13 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company have a look at the bottom they show a list of US and UK PMCs |
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| Soriddo Suneku | Jul 12 2008, 06:16 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah, heres a list of the current positions and requirements to apply for Triple Canopy. Psyche evaluations and even a credit check (the latter being the one I'd have to worry about). They're alot more stringent on recruiting standards than any government military I know of. http://careers.triplecanopy.com/careers/ |
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| OuterJaccob | Jul 12 2008, 06:19 AM Post #15 |
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Ah, shit one, maybe one day eh mate? |
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| Soriddo Suneku | Jul 12 2008, 06:30 AM Post #16 |
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Its not the end of the world, Jaccob. I just don't have perfect credit. I'm not planning on doing this tommorrow. Not until I have my bodyguard license and go through scout sniper school anyways. Not to mention picking up a bit on a second language. It's a good two years of training away. |
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| Register | Jul 12 2008, 12:07 PM Post #17 |
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The fact remains is that people willingly do a lot of things that would be considered brainwashing if it were for any other branch of careers in the world except it's for the military and for some reason the military is to be respected no matter what they do. The truth is; they do brainwash you. You don't think cleaning floors with your toothbrush has any real use other than for brainwashing you to do menial tasks without question, do you? That's right, that's part of the brainwashing. And IMO; anyone who willingly signs up for a job that is essentially killing for money are either extremely dumb and naive after playing too many games/watching too many movies/reading too many books or just simple enough not right in the brain; they seems to completely lack the restraint part that others take for granted. Edited by Register, Jul 12 2008, 12:12 PM.
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| Soriddo Suneku | Jul 12 2008, 12:50 PM Post #18 |
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And IMO, I fall into the highlighted category. Thats right, I don't believe it's right, and I think it takes a very emotionally detached, jaded, individual with a certain mindset to even perform effectively in this type of environment. I won't even argue with you in that regard. But it's a gray area. Unlike the military, you get to pick your battles. Whether it be going to Iraq...like those four poor sons of bitches in 2004 during the Fallujah incident, or helping a tribe somewhere in Africa who are trying to survive ethnic cleansing and do not have a sufficient army of their own, etc. It's also of my opinion, that not everyone knows everyone's reasons for joining such a group, nor do they even know that not all of the jobs involve killing, so much as protection of those in immediate danger. |
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| MachinegunHedgehog | Jul 12 2008, 02:04 PM Post #19 |
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Does that also apply to the military? If it wasn't for the Military you'd be saying a lot of different things. In fact you'd probably be saying what your told by a corrupt dictatorship. So IMO your very well adapted into your freedom but don't take it for granted. |
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| Register | Jul 12 2008, 03:03 PM Post #20 |
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I knew this idiotic argument would come up and I'm just gonna give a blanket response: Yes, people who willingly join are either naive or dumb or just patriotic(which is a mix of both the former). The exception to this really is peacekeeping corps and non-aggressive militaries. The fact that the military has such an elevated status in peacetime sickens me. The sole exception is in situation where one's country(or allies to it) are under direct threat of invasion. None of the western powers is under that threat today. If you want to fight terrorism then the military is the wrong branch because the insurgents are not soldiers; they're guerilla. You fight guerilla with intelligence, not force. Try to apply force and you will lose. Oh, and SS? When you sign up for a PMC you're forced to follow their orders. Break them? Prepare to be sued for literally millions of dollars for breach of contract. That means yes, if they tell you to go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or just sit in a guard cabin in Bumfuck; Arizona then you better be prepared to do that or pay the dough. And if the assignment you'll be dodging is hired out by the government? Be prepared to be criminally charged for the same things you'd be charged with if you went AWOL while in the army. EDIT: Oh yeah, and if you wanna question my sources please go and call Krzysztof Rutkowski, boss of Rutkowski Patrol; Poland's largest and internationally famous PMC. Krystof is my father's cousin cousin and I visit him almost every summer and he has a lot of contact with Blackwater bosses in Iraq; him spending most of his year and men there due to the current situation. Relatives can give you a lot of interesting info, y'know? http://www.detektyw.biz/ Edited by Register, Jul 12 2008, 03:15 PM.
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