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| Homophobia is A-OK for the religious; apparently. | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 21 2008, 06:56 PM (995 Views) | |
| Ocelot05 | Jul 21 2008, 06:56 PM Post #1 |
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Anyone seen this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7499248.stm What the fuck? Another winning blow for religious-based intolerance! Hip hip! I just don't understand how someone is able to discriminate on sexual preference and get away with it! She should have been fired on the spot full stop. She was lucky the city council decided to go easy on her and only tried to remind her of the civic duties she has as a SECULAR registrar. It's not a religious ceremony, it's not before "God", so just do it you cunt, it's your job after all! |
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| Roy Campbell | Jul 21 2008, 07:02 PM Post #2 |
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She has the perverse notion that: Religious Rights > Gay Rights Which is not the case. I will cut her some slack though depending on how bad the harassment was but if she wasn't an elitist it wouldn't have happened in the first place. Its another example of why Religion needs to altered to suit the times. Back in the day it might have been OK to be homophobic and sexist but not anymore. Edited by Roy Campbell, Jul 21 2008, 07:03 PM.
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| Shyne-Bryght | Jul 21 2008, 07:21 PM Post #3 |
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No, I disagree, religion should never be changed to suit the times, that would make it empty and worthless, religion is meant to affect the way or a believer's life, and if they simply changed the rules of a religion to modern fashions, it would be absolutely pointless, how would you be set apart from atheists? Also, its a proper Christian teaching that homosexuality is wrong, so that woman, as a Christian, performing a Christian service, should have the right to refuse to do something she herself sees as wrong. |
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| Otacon_Hal | Jul 21 2008, 07:21 PM Post #4 |
 
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This is pretty outrageous! WHO IS SHE ANYWAY?! A Registrar working for the local council should have to resign if these are her views. I mean, it IS 2008! I thought people could live how they chose and not be preached to at every cornor. I am surprised the gay/bi comunity over there, have not kicked off over this as they havent really opposed it in public it seems. If she did not want to see such couples then she is working in the wrong area of her work, and she should move to areas where she can help 'who she chooses'. I just say live and let live. I mean, I'm a doctor and I don't discriminate agaisnt anyone of any view (Well...within reason!). Edited by Otacon_Hal, Jul 21 2008, 07:25 PM.
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| White&Nerdy | Jul 21 2008, 07:37 PM Post #5 |
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She can't be expected to take part if her religion forbids it, by conducting a civil partnership between two men she would be defying her God. Discriminating homosexuals is wrong but so is forcing someone to go against their belief. It's a difficult circumstance really. Edited by White&Nerdy, Jul 21 2008, 07:39 PM.
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| Roy Campbell | Jul 21 2008, 07:48 PM Post #6 |
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She's not being forced to go against her belief. No one is making her be homosexual. She is only marrying two people not worshipping Satan.
Relgion is seen by the majority of religious people as guidelines rather than strict rules (unless your an extremist in which case you are moron). Various Religous people choose to opt out of a certain guideline. For example, you can be a Christian if your homosexual These are guidelines which were made many years ago. With time everything changes including what people think is right and wrong and so with that, so should Religion change. Not the core of it such as suddenly God doesn't exist or something like that but the small thing such as the homophobic and sexist nature which were created by people and not a true reflection on how the God believe someone should live their life. |
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| Solid Snake8 | Jul 21 2008, 07:50 PM Post #7 |
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A couple of you that are outraged are kind of being hypocrites here.. "They should be able to live how they want to live and choose what they think is right." So a Christian woman is not allowed to follow her beliefs and refuse service to homosexuals because you guys say it's wrong? I personally think homosexuality is wrong (yes, I am a Christian), and I'm just believing in what I think is right. A lot of people think that homosexuality is completely fine, and that is their opinion. |
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| White&Nerdy | Jul 21 2008, 07:59 PM Post #8 |
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^Well I don't have a very strong opinion on the matter because I'm neither a christian or a homosexual and I'm not saying a christian can't be gay but she obviously thinks so. @RC marrying two men means you approve of homosexuality and thats probably what the issue is. |
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| Jiro | Jul 21 2008, 08:05 PM Post #9 |
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It goes against the Women's moral beliefs. I see no discrimination on her part. She merely did not want to perform that sort of thing. This is called reverse discrimination. I support the ruling. |
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| Register | Jul 21 2008, 09:16 PM Post #10 |
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Wrong.
It's not a Christian service. Marriage isn't Christianity-only and has NEVER ever been.
Do you think a racist barowner should be allowed to ban all non-whites to enter the bar too?
Then she should quit or get fired because then she can't do her job properly and as such should be replaced by someone who will.
Church != State and as such she should keep her beliefs outside of her job because apparently she's too bigoted to do her job properly otherwise.
No it isn't; it means she does her fucking job; something she refused to and as such should get fired unless she starts doing her job. Edited by Register, Jul 21 2008, 09:19 PM.
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| Shyne-Bryght | Jul 21 2008, 10:09 PM Post #11 |
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@Register: It clearly states in the Bible somewhere something about a man who lies down with another man is punishable by death or something, now I'm not saying they should die, that was the law of the land back then, but its definitely stated as wrong. @Roy Campbell: If you loosely follow a religion and you miss out certain rules to suit for yourself, you are not a part of that religion, you cannot call yourself a proper Christian if you miss out some of the Christian rules and guidelines clearly written in the bible, this would go for all religions with set rules. And yes it may be seen by many as loose guidelines but those folks obviously are disillusioned or don't care about it enough to really follow it. There are no grey areas with it, you either follow a religion fully and take it seriously or you can't call yourself a part of that religion. Edited by Shyne-Bryght, Jul 21 2008, 10:10 PM.
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| Muikuli | Jul 21 2008, 10:22 PM Post #12 |
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Wow, somewhere in the bible there is stated something about homosexuality being punished by death or something Yeah, you know your shit precisely. And btw. Isn't it funny that so many people are considered christians although I'm 100% sure that most of them don't follow it "fully". How many christians actually live their live doing everything like the bible says things must be done? Edited by Muikuli, Jul 21 2008, 10:25 PM.
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| Otacon_Hal | Jul 21 2008, 10:23 PM Post #13 |
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If some Gay/Bi/Transgendered/whatever man or women needed my help, in my official capasity or not - I would help them. Simple as that! I am a roman catholic, but I also listen to the little voice of reason within me. I don't think that I should treat another man differently JUST because he is attracted to men, we all can't help help the feelings and impluses we have. No-one taught them that, and it wasn't nurture....they were born that way. I think the key issue here is also Procreation. We all know that the very reason we are male and female is for procreation (And ahhh...making life really fun! I mean, who wants to live like a Snail!), this is part of the natural order and cycle of life which permiates the whole Homosexual/religious debate. They feel there 'should be no need' for homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender urges as 'nothing' can come of it. 'They' seem to have totally divorced the whole 'free-will' and 'feelings' side of it from the higher imperative to have children. I believe that as long as people are consenting adults, and arent hurting or offending anyone else and are behaving approprietly...then.....what is it to me what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom! (What is the second big issue). The ONLY REAL difference (Okay, not counting fashion sense and all that!) between a straight man and a gay man is what turns him on...thats all. Alternate lifestyles and religion will never see eye to eye, just like religion will not see eye to eye with many aspects of Science (Natural evolution/darwin/dogma etc). I was given free will, so I choose to accept that I am a Roman Catholic because of my faith, I choose to be an academic and study sciences, carefully trying to marry this with my religious belifs, and I choose to treat my fellow men and women with respect for their own lifestyles. EDIT (For Muikuli) Well dear, Even though THE BIBLE is another MASSIVE thread to make, it is open to translation, context and terminology that even scholars dispute. The bible can also be used to support Two sides of the same argument! If people who have spent their LIVES, studying that script, argue amongst themselves then we have no chance to make too much of a educated and informed debate of it. Edited by Otacon_Hal, Jul 21 2008, 10:31 PM.
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| Register | Jul 21 2008, 10:38 PM Post #14 |
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That same part of the Bible(Leviticus) also states that everyone should give one tenth of their income to the church. You can bet your ass that few if any of the dumb bigots using the Holy Book as a source for their gaybashing follow that rule. There's lots of stuff in that book that you should read. OTOH; there's a serious case to be made that the Bible isn't anti-gay. At worst, it's neutral on the subject. |
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| Muikuli | Jul 21 2008, 10:53 PM Post #15 |
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I was pretty much only pointing out how Shyne thought that you have to follow the religion 100% to be a part of it. Which is obviously bullshit anyway. Oh... Doesn't the bible also have a part that tells that it's alright to sell your daughter for a certain amount of silver? |
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| Shyne-Bryght | Jul 21 2008, 10:57 PM Post #16 |
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How is it BS? If you wanna follow a religion properly you're gonna have to play by all the rules, its a very serious thing, or at least it should be to those that follow it. Its like with athletics, if you don't follow the guidelines, you're out, simple as theres no two ways about it and it should be the same for any religion, is it done as a casual way to kill time, its a way of life and it should be taken very seriously. |
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| OuterJaccob | Jul 21 2008, 10:59 PM Post #17 |
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What a load of bullshit, she has every right to refuse to marry gay people, homophobia is wrong but this isn't homophobia, she is just following a way of life, a Christian can NEVER be expected to promote something which goes against their faith, that goes for Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or anything religion too. Making Christians believe that it's okay to be gay just because there are now more openly gay people around is just silly. If I was gay I wouldn't want a Christian to conduct my ceremony anyway, so what's the big deal? We live in an age where Christians and gay people can live side by side in peace, but that doesn't mean they have to integrate. Good on her I say. |
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| Otacon_Hal | Jul 21 2008, 11:04 PM Post #18 |
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Yes Dear, I did understand your point and it was well put! There are all kinds of antisocial concepts in there that just plain have no place in a civilized sociaty, nomatter how far you want to stretch it. Theres things about females being seen as 'property', Rape and murder being permissable under some circumstances...etc etc. That is why there are so many religious divisions nower days, there are even these things called 'literal christians' who believe you have to follow the 'VERY WORD' of (Which ever translation of) The Bible. I say live and let live! I don't tell muslim woman not to wear their hijabs, I don't tell gays not to be themselves, I don't tell people what to believe....ohh I'll share MY thoughts and MY opinions...but always with respect and humility, shame others just can't do the same. |
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| Register | Jul 21 2008, 11:25 PM Post #19 |
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You clearly hasn't read anything but Paul, if even that, from the New Testament of the Bible because it clearly says that the fine details doesn't matter; believing in Jesus as your savior and to be a kind and loving person is the only thing that really matters for one to be a Christian. Or, it should be. Besides, it's literally impossible to follow every part of the Bible at once. For example; the Old Testament forbid everyone from working on the Sabbath while Jesus speaks against that very law in the New Testament. As such, one would have to be in Schrödinger's Sabbath or something.
Gonna ask you the same I asked the bigotearlier in the thread; if a racist owned a bar; do you think he should be able to ban all non-whites from his bar? How about if he was a priest; do you think he should be allowed to refuse to wed non-whites? How about if he's a policeman; do you think he should be allowed to let crime against non-whites to go on? Because newsflash; it's the same fucking thing. Color isn't the only thing that's fucking sick to discriminate by; sexuality is just. As. Bad. Edited by Register, Jul 21 2008, 11:27 PM.
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| Solid Snake8 | Jul 21 2008, 11:41 PM Post #20 |
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Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Just posting those up here. It's a highly debated subject as to whether or not homosexuality is right in the Church (obviously you can see that from this thread). |
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