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| OuterJaccob | Jul 21 2008, 11:43 PM Post #21 |
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Completely different, the head of state is a Christian, this is a Christian country, therefore Christians have the right to practise their religion in this country no matter how sick it may be interpreted as, don't get me wrong, I'm all for freedom for gay people too, but like I said, a Christian should never be made to betray his or her God just because of a job. Shit, she won her case, even the justice system was on her side, and that's saying a Hell of a lot. |
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| The Departed | Jul 21 2008, 11:47 PM Post #22 |
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That is the quote of the article that covers my thoughts on Miss Ladele's work. This is a joke, she is choosing over religion or a 31,000 pound paying job? Hmm....if you can't handle marrying gay people who now legally can marry, then here's a thought, choose your religion and quit so a non-discriminatory jackass can take your spot as a registrar of married people. That way, both sides win, yes? |
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| GrayFox | Jul 22 2008, 04:18 AM Post #23 |
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DISCLAIMER: PROBABLY "OFF TOPIC" - DONT CARE @Shyne I firstly wanted to say thank you for having the guts to tell it like it is. Just because this worlds government of men setting forth to establish their own righteousness is a joke, doesnt mean you can apply the same principles to faith. Religion is nothing but division. I scoff at those who jest proudly, "I believe there are many paths". I wish I could find a more Christian way of saying this, but get the fuck outta here. 2 + 2 = 4. Fire burns. Shit stinks. And there is but one truth. And sensibly, anything that opposes said truth would be...help me out class...thats right! FALSE! This isnt about religion, or culture people. This is about the fact that this universe did not materialize out of nothing. But lest you misunderstand, I am not some idealist who believes GOD is some type of sorcerer who was sitting on a cloud in Heaven one day bored, and decided to wiggle his nose and fart, and out popped the reality that we refer to as time. No...GOD is simply a creator. His nemesis, Satan, counters GODs creativity with destructiveness. We were made in the image of GOD. Theres the answer to life right there. We were created to create. But before things really got off the ground, Satan deceived man into turning away from the Creator, and following his destructive nature. This is why even today, everything we create, we use to destroy. The very nature of humanity is to create. This is reflected in our most basic function. The ability to procreate. Therefore I dont really have to scratch my melon down to the bloody skull to see why GOD would consider homosexuality as an abomination. MORE OFF TOPIC:
Clearly, neither have you brother. In fact, its that interpretation that gives true Christians a black eye, and makes a mockery of GOD. Because the very notion implies that we can just do what ever the fuck we want just as long as at some point in life, we shout, "JESUS SAVE ME". No... First of all, Jesus never did away with Old Testament law. Why would he? You do realize that Jesus WAS the GOD of the Old Testament. The Father was never revealed until Jesus spoke of him. The voice of GOD (THE WORD) that spoke in the OT, was Jesus. Dont believe me? I quote John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was GOD. 2 The same was in the beginning with GOD. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Skip down to verse 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Men have gone about to establish their own righteousness in corruption, rather than simply conforming to the Creators governing. See thats what the Kingdom of Heaven is. Its a literal kingdom that governs this created world. And that was the message Christ brought. But nowadays people preach their own gospels ABOUT Christ, instead of preaching Christs gospel. What was that gospel? When Jesus heard of Johns beheading, he entered the city and said, "The Kingdom of GOD is at hand". Christ message was about the literal, and final kingdom that would govern this world, in which he would sit on the throne as king of kings after his Second Coming. I dont understand how it got so twisted. All the prophets were talking about the same thing for centuries before Jesus walked the Earth. Jesus didnt do away with the old law. He fulfilled it. The point, you ask? Those who live by the law shall do it. Because of Satans corruption, no man is perfect, therefore no man is capable of living by the law. Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon the Earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. This was the entire reason for the Messiah. So that we, unable to achieve righteousness, can put our faith in Christ. But this doesnt mean we just believe that Jesus is Christ, and doing whatever you want. If you truly place your faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit will come unto you, and you will know the power of GOD. You cant just believe him. If you believe in GOD and Christ, but still govern yourself, you are no different than the fallen angels. Christs commandment was love. But how do we love GOD? By obeying his commandments and getting to know his word (Bible). Theres no pussyfooting around it. But to the point, this chick did the right thing in not backing down from the truth. If shed rolled over on her beliefs for the sake of not offending someone, what would you say about her character then, I wonder? |
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| Register | Jul 22 2008, 05:44 AM Post #24 |
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You think I don't know about those? The first is from a highly outdated book by Christian standards and can safely be ignored because people ignore pretty much everything else in that book and the other two are by Paul, a man who was known for his ambitions of power and arrogance. I don't put any weight in any of those three because they're very irrelevant. Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality and there's parts of the Bible that's quite pro homosexuality so yeah.
So, if someone were to use the highly unknown section of the Bible where it says that uppity youth shall be stoned to death they'd be just fine to do so because it's in the Bible? How about killing someone's entire family if a member of that family have raped his sister?
It's not betraying. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's; Render unto God what is God.
Yeah, that the people in charge are idiots. EDIT: Fundies like you guys make me ashamed to call myself a Christian. Edited by Register, Jul 22 2008, 05:49 AM.
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| The Departed | Jul 22 2008, 06:18 AM Post #25 |
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The justice system is on her side? The same justice system that once considered black people to be 3/5th of a person? Yeah, that does say a hell of a lot. Hint hint sarcasm. And why quote Leviticus? What good does using the bible as a tool to back anyones cause do a person? I won't even bother getting into that because frankly it isn't worth the wasted breath. And people wonder why I don't believe in religion. |
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| Jiro | Jul 22 2008, 06:22 AM Post #26 |
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Most of you in this thread are like someone said earlier. Hypocritical up the ahole. When was it ok to disfavor someone based upon their beliefs? I do not see this woman involved in this hurting anyone. She simply refused to to something she didn't believe in. Which is the same reason why gays become gays because they don't believe a certain way other people do. Reverse Discrimination is by far one of the most inhumane things we as human beings have created. By trying to become equal we have invented things that are so unequal it is appalling. When did a gay person's opinion become more highly regarded over a straight person's opinion? Straight people are seen as the bad guys every damn time in things like this when in actuality we are under going a fight for our own liberties. We have gone under so much media bull shit that society things "Oh...look at that gay guy...he's so discriminated against...we should feel sorry for him and make society more equal." Most gay people would find that offensive as your belittling them you idiots. The bar analogy for this instance is not a very good one. Yes barring blacks or gays or anyone from a bar based on those things is very wrong and should be fought against, but this situation is a private endeavor that this lady was involved with. She didn't agree with it so she went to the courts. The courts ruled in their wisdom she had a right to deny doing them with gays as it violated her beliefs and rights. If they didn't then this would mean the government would be controlling this person and that would be wrong....or even denying her the right to enjoy her work possibly causing this women to either not find a job of the same level of pay or not finding a job at all which would cause nothing but problems for this woman. The court realized this issue was reverse discrimination and decided to act to dissolve it. There are more than enough people I'm sure that are willing to perform gay unions. |
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| GrayFox | Jul 22 2008, 06:31 AM Post #27 |
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I know its quite common for people to compare sexual preference to race, but Ive never understood why. Look...I dont give a fuck about your "feelings". Being born black is not a choice. Cornholing another man, is a choice. What you mean is, the DESIRE to commit a homosexual act cant be helped. The actual carrying out of the action is a choice that can be controlled. I dont care how long you people wave your rainbows, comparing being black and being gay is like comparing apples to urinal cakes. It just doesnt hold any water. Next thing you know we'll have an army of assholes fighting for their right to fuck toddlers. "Oh no! Dont discriminate! Pedophiles are people too!" Edited by GrayFox, Jul 22 2008, 06:33 AM.
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| Solid Snake8 | Jul 22 2008, 03:05 PM Post #28 |
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I never said you weren't aware of them, I was simply posting them up here JUST IN CASE perhaps you didn't know of them.
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16). There's something from the NEW TESTAMENT.. That is of course, if you believe the book of Timothy? I wouldn't be too surprised if you shot it down because it's not Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Edited by Solid Snake8, Jul 22 2008, 03:30 PM.
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| Null | Jul 22 2008, 03:14 PM Post #29 |
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That is absolutley ridiculous. Honestly. I'm in a difficult position to criticise it, as it is your opinion but thats got to rank as one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen in this section, and thats saying alot. |
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| Roy Campbell | Jul 22 2008, 06:17 PM Post #30 |
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Well then in your world only a handful of people can call themselves a 'proper Christian' rather than the 2 odd billion which do. Its fair to say people with at least some intelligence make their own mind up about some of the contents of the Bible becuase they know some of it is crap which some bigot with a large ego wrote down for fun many years ago - these bits of the Religion are not the sections which need be followed as most people can see nowadays, even hardcore Religion follows, they are a load of crap. They have the right to do so and have a right to call themselves Christian if they want to. Perhaps guidelines wasn't the right word to use. Also, don't compare Religion to Athletics, its completely different. If not we may as well compare homosexuallity to that McChicken sandwich I had the other day at Mcdonalds. As for the actual article, Otacon_Hal said it best, live and let live. Marrying homosexuals isn't harming of affecting her in anyway and is not impeding her right to be a Christian. Edited by Roy Campbell, Jul 22 2008, 06:19 PM.
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| Corpse | Jul 22 2008, 06:59 PM Post #31 |
 
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I think that once she refused to marry them, they should have just gone somewhere else, to someone who would have, rather than harrassing her. What did they really hope to achieve by doing that? Whether it's right or wrong, a registrar has the right to refuse, and should not be harrassed if they do. |
 
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| Shyne-Bryght | Jul 22 2008, 09:12 PM Post #32 |
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@Roy Campbell: Its the Christian belief that all scripture is inspired by God, so then if people find parts of it stupid and not to their liking, they are in effect being ignorant towards God's will, or disagreeing with him, its as simple as that, what kind of a Christian are you if you disagree with God? |
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| The Departed | Jul 22 2008, 09:41 PM Post #33 |
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Allow me to answer your question with a question of my own. What kind of person are you if you disagree with equality? You don't even know what God wants of us, how can you even justify saying what kind of Christian a person is? Edited by The Departed, Jul 22 2008, 09:55 PM.
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| GrayFox | Jul 22 2008, 10:21 PM Post #34 |
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 No...The reason youre in a difficult position to criticize it is because you know that Im right. How can there be more than one truth? There cant be. If you ask a kindergarten class whats 2+2, one of them may answer 3, one may answer 5, and another may answer 2, but only one answer is correct. And anything that opposes that answer, which is the truth, would be false. Quit trying to make everything gray. People are gray, but facts are black and white.
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| Splitter Snake | Jul 23 2008, 03:57 AM Post #35 |
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Even if the teachings of "whats wrong," is complete ignorance? Then again, what about that religion isn't ignorance? Sorry if you find that offensive, but it's 2008 people, in my opinion...it's time to grow up. You want truth? The truth is that Jesus and Christ were common names at that time. The names which were quite common was attatched to a mythological deity, savior God if you will, and past down like the pathetic meme it is. But yeah, don't ban me over this, it's just a touchy subject, if God says gays are evil because they are being who they are, then God is pretty damn stupid, wouldn't you say? Edited by Splitter Snake, Jul 23 2008, 04:06 AM.
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| GrayFox | Jul 23 2008, 05:13 AM Post #36 |
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You miss the whole point. If youre going to acknowledge the fact that theres a GOD, then surely you should also realize that being that we are the creation, and he is the creator, its not unacceptable for him to expect his creation to be loyal to him. We are spiritual beings serving a sentence in a physical prison where Satan has dominion. If you want to fuck another guy in the ass, its not because of "who you are", its because Satan is trying to convince you to act on lust. Satan wants you to be mortal, but youre not mortal. Youre a spirit in a mortal body, therefore should live above the mortality of the flesh. GOD wants you to live. Satan wants you to die. Thats the simple black and white choice that every man has to make. Without the grace of GOD, youve got no choice but to die in sin. |
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| BigBoss14 | Jul 23 2008, 05:31 AM Post #37 |
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So you think gay people are gay because Satan wants them to be gay  No gay people are gay because they want to. Personally I like women but for some people its different. Yes I guess I would consider myself a christian but its none of my business to care about other people's sexual preferences. |
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| GrayFox | Jul 23 2008, 05:42 AM Post #38 |
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I find it offensive that you call yourself a Christian, yet express blatant disregard for Christs words! "Those who love me shall love the Father also." How do we love him? "Keep his commandments." Theres no such thing as a homosexual Christian. And theres no such thing as a Christian who does not believe in the word of GOD. The word of GOD specifically condemns homosexuality in more than one place. To take even the smallest commandment away from the word is to openly defy GOD. Its all or nothing. Again, homosexuality is condemned as sin. It was written in the law before Jesus walked the Earth. Even if you deny he was the Son of God, you cant deny that he was aware of that law when he commanded all who follow him to turn from sin. Edited by GrayFox, Jul 23 2008, 05:47 AM.
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| BigBoss14 | Jul 23 2008, 05:46 AM Post #39 |
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so I'm guessing all of those gay catholic priests aren't Christians then? Maybe you misinterpreted me. I more don't really care if people are gay or not. I am not gay so I still by your standards am not doing anything wrong. edit: then why do you care so much? If you feel being gay is wrong than don't be gay why do you care if others are? Edited by BigBoss14, Jul 23 2008, 05:48 AM.
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| GrayFox | Jul 23 2008, 05:52 AM Post #40 |
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Obviously not! Thought you wouldve noticed when they started cornholing alter boys. I understand what youre saying. But as a Christian we are also commanded to stand firm in the words of Christ. Which effectively requires an "if GOD said it, its final" type of attitude. Embarrass sin or sin will embarrass you. Christianity isnt a fan club. The only true Christians are those who have accepted, and are being led by The Holy Spirit. And trust me, if youve got the Holy Ghost boiling inside your veins, you might try to argue with it, but youll be miserable doing so. Its not philosophy, its reality. EDIT: Oh and by the way, Catholic priests are supposed to abstain from sex/marriage anyway, so why would they even need to HAVE a sexual preference? Edited by GrayFox, Jul 23 2008, 05:59 AM.
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