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| Why I dislike the ideal of religion; I finally figured it out for myself. | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 22 2008, 06:37 AM (1,604 Views) | |
| misanthrope | Aug 28 2008, 06:10 PM Post #41 |
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Dude... I've not seen a level of horrific ignorance this high in a very long time. And, as to those who thought my early Christianity comment was stupid- Christianity wasn't even supposed to exist. :| Blah blah Jesus came to be a savior to the jews first, blah blah, and decided to help the Goyim as well, but they perverted Christianity into an entirely new, entirely hypocritical piece of shit religion. And, pardon me if I'm getting offensive here, it's just my opinion, and, as an opinion, it's objectively wrong. :> A lot of the things Jesus said were pretty cool, but even as early as Paul (you know, the guy who saw jesus in a 'vision' and wasn't even one of the real apostles) people used his words to twist shit around and make themselves seem more powerful/more right. |
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| Iansnake | Aug 28 2008, 07:30 PM Post #42 |
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Something I personally still cannot understand is these people who have the idea that Satan is bad. If he is punishing rapists,murderers and child molesters then why do christians claim that he (or she perhaps) is a bad entity. However unless its the opposite in which Satan encourages those who have commited terrible acts then the mentality of those who believe he/she is bad is correct. But if satan rewards those who have sinned and died, what's the difference between heaven and hell? |
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| The Black Devil Of Outer Heaven | Aug 28 2008, 08:33 PM Post #43 |
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Well for that particular question I think you have to look to Lucifer's beginnings. (Satan) He was never supposed to be "Evil" in the general sense of the word. He was of course the right hand of God and hence considered the best of the angels. The thing that got him of course was hubris. Becoming so sure that he could do better than God, and on another not his instant "love at first sight" with Eve. But I sidetracked myself. The reason for what Satan does in hell, is in my opinion, very different from what is presented. I believe it's because he beleives himself to be righteous in in the right. But also, it is still a punishment and not a reward, and he is most certainly a dark evil. He twist the souls of men in order to take them into hell. Apart from that. i feel that any religion, especially christianity has been diluted and bismirched over the years by pompous and ignorant men that wished to control and brainwash everyone. Thus changing religious doctrine. |
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| kisskissbangbang | Aug 29 2008, 04:44 PM Post #44 |
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"Dude... I've not seen a level of horrific ignorance this high in a very long time. " Wow thats so interesting coming from someone who doesnt fully comprehend the bible. Cute. And uhh..i was never talking about things prior to christianity mk? Edited by kisskissbangbang, Aug 29 2008, 04:45 PM.
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| The Departed | Aug 29 2008, 09:31 PM Post #45 |
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There are ways of stating your opinion without acting so condescending you know. Edited by The Departed, Aug 29 2008, 09:32 PM.
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| kisskissbangbang | Aug 29 2008, 10:37 PM Post #46 |
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Uhh making a post saying that Jesus was against war, when she hasnt understood the facts is just absolutely irresponsible and incredibly dangerous in a debate. So i just pointed out how calling me "ignorant" is hypocritical. |
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| Soriddo Suneku | Aug 29 2008, 10:49 PM Post #47 |
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I don't recall her stating you were ignorant, specifically, but if the shoe fits then wear it proudly, I suppose. Now instead of everyone tossing one liners (cute) and other bullshit remarks and calling everyone ignorant, perhaps we can return the debate towards the actual debate, and not in the direction of the members, like a bunch of kindergartners at recess. Back to topic. |
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| The Black Devil Of Outer Heaven | Aug 30 2008, 03:55 AM Post #48 |
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Well....there really aren't any facts that you can fall back on persay. Saying that Jesus is against war, or for war is at most a religously educated guess....and I use even that term lightly.
I disagree with that particular statement. It is completely wrong that people should use a crutch to justify a killing. But all the worse when they use religion. If your going to kill someone becuase they did something wrong, then that should be it. No "my religion tells me blah blah blah, etc.". Our laws in my opinion while I'm sure religion had effects on them, or for the most part common sense and what's just in regards to such a large amount of people.
We had miscommunication. Becuase I have no idea what the fuck you said and obviously vica-versa. But know that I understood your "explanation" of thou shall not kill perfectly well. I suppose the movie was good, but I really don't know what you mean... 
I never once stated that I would be the one doing that.  I was refering to your "The ten commandments apply only to the individual" statement. But isn't it still the individual doing the killing. Sure the decision was made by a group of people, but each will have individually came to that decision. Making them all apart of it and therefore they killed that other person just as surely as the injection did. Or the cop in you law enforcement who pulls the trigger. Every action and decision no matter how many people are involved is propelled by individuality. I don't know if you understand what I mean. |
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| The Departed | Aug 30 2008, 05:15 AM Post #49 |
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Being the person whom this topic is kind of about, I'm going to go ahead and steer us back on the right track now, but first, thanks guys, everyone who has been debating or arguing with each other, let me just thank you guys, because that's just more of what I'm talking about. The way everyone is trying to defend their religion, defend it to death, "NO!!! MY RELIGION IS RIGHT, YOURS IS WRONG." I am in no way saying you guys are saying stuff like that, I'm saying, what do you do when someone insults your religion or calls your religion bullshit? You defend it to death, with what? Gospel, biblical reference, history lessons, again and again, your only defense for ones religion being true is gospel, textural reference, any and all of that jazz. But when it's all said and done, is there truly any real evidence or truth behind that? All you have is your faith, and do you know what? God bless, that's cool, I respect that 100%, but I simply can't believe in that, I need some factual closure in that. God, I have faith in, there are just, literally these miracles that occur in my life, specifically surviving my car wreck last year which left me beyond fucked up, which make me feel as though I've survived far too many things, just these little breaks I catch. But religions haven't saved my life, religions didn't save my sister, she was able to get to Kaiser literally almost just in time before the drugs consumed her system, like these little breaks, that make all the difference, that's my faith, religion isn't. While I believe in God, I don't believe people have any right what so ever to use his name in the face of war, as an excuse. As an excuse against Gay marriage, as an excuse for war, as an excuse against Stem Cell research, calling things unholy, it's crazy. We have no evidence what religion, and these rules that come along with our religions are true, outside of what text has posted as "true." That said, how can we use what may not be true as truth, undeniable truth? And what about all the other undeniable truths that come with the other religions? How can someone call them false? Because your religion is right and the others are wrong? See, this all traces back to my main point, there can't be just one "right" religion, either through bits and parts, they are all correct, or they are all a load of massive bullshit. All or none, that's my motto. |
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| The Black Devil Of Outer Heaven | Aug 30 2008, 05:28 AM Post #50 |
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Quite welcome. And I understand what you mean by All or None as well. It's all the faith card like you said. How can there be so many religions and there just not be anything definite. Everyone beleives solely that their religion is correct, so it leads to reason that if religion is correct it couldn't be just half of them are right and half wrong? Just agreeing with The Departed basically. 
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| Granin | Sep 4 2008, 03:43 PM Post #51 |
 
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I have never really been religous, I dont like it and never will. I believe what I want to, bein confined by nations and ideals annoys me. Same goes with music lol, I like what I like, I believe what I believe. I do believe it was likely the universe was created by some entity however. |
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| kisskissbangbang | Sep 4 2008, 07:55 PM Post #52 |
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Well religion in its very nature isnt supposed to proove everything. It says its all about faith, and if you dont have that faith, then religion aint for ya. But of course i believe in God, cos this couldnt have all happened without someone creating the material or circumstances necessary for the big bang. Science hasnt proved it otherwise. Edited by kisskissbangbang, Sep 4 2008, 07:56 PM.
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| Nathan_snake | Sep 4 2008, 09:05 PM Post #53 |
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I believe in God quite a lot, and i believe that the fact that i seem so 'lucky' isn't just luck at all really. I know i'm helped, and that's because i need it. I don't follow everything by the Bible (i've never even read it), but that doesn't make me a bad Christian, nor does the fact that i hardly go to Church. I wasn't religious at all before. And then something happened one day, about 2/3 years ago, and my whole life has changed for the better since then. I can't remember what made me think about religion, and the fact that (even though i was only about 14) i had to change my life around. Since then, well pretty much everything in my life has changed, and really i'm such a better person now, i'm in such better circumstances, and a lot more. That wasn't a random coincidence. But it was 'lucky'. Edited by Nathan_snake, Sep 4 2008, 09:09 PM.
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| The Black Devil Of Outer Heaven | Sep 4 2008, 09:10 PM Post #54 |
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True enough. It is supposed to answer, or help answer our questions though. Also true Well given enough time, which there was. The materials and circumstances would have come about eventually. Doesn't necessarily mean it was planned or something of that nature. |
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| kisskissbangbang | Sep 5 2008, 04:34 PM Post #55 |
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Those materials must've originated from a creater. So they didnt come out eventually. It would've had to have a beginning. See? Its like "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" I'ts quite funny how smug some scientists can be. 
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| Shyne-Bryght | Sep 5 2008, 05:43 PM Post #56 |
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In reponse to kisskissbangbang's comments about 'silly' people saying war is wrong etc etc and thinking they are just the same. So, you think war is right and good eh, I guess you can't have truly seen war if you could possibly find it something that should be existing. As for those 'silly people' who say its wrong, I think you'll find some who say it is wrong and actually show this by not going to war, and they are different cause how many times do you see folks who claim to be Christians going to war, with Chaplains praying for God's help, so they can kill more? You see Muslims, Jews etc going to war, its those who make a stand and refuse who stand out. |
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| kisskissbangbang | Sep 5 2008, 05:56 PM Post #57 |
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I have eyesight. And?
Uhh what? I cant understand what your saying. |
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| Shyne-Bryght | Sep 5 2008, 10:59 PM Post #58 |
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I'm saying these 'silly people' uphold their belief by refusing to go to war, they see it as wrong and their beliefs forbid it. Whereas you see many religious people from all differen religions fighting and killing in wars, killing memebers of their own faith, it is those who refuse to go to war and kill, possibly kill folks sharing the same religious views, these people that surely make the sensible choice. Look at it this way, you get a guy from the Church of England fighting on one side, and another CoE guy fighting against them, both pray for God to help them in the battle, and they kill each other, how could a God aid a person to kill a fellow believer, it just doesn't make sense, this is why many religious people choose not to go to war. |
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| The Black Devil Of Outer Heaven | Sep 7 2008, 10:59 PM Post #59 |
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Why? You can't be so definite....saying that the materials MUST'VE been created by some creator. Which isn't technically true. Or if it is, site me the link to the information that tells me so. The materials could still have been created though an extrememly long period of "building" up and the time it took for the circumstnaces to line up. I don't see it as having any real relation to "What came first? The chicken or the egg", becuase we already know the very lowest forms of material in the unevers, atoms and such, and we know what paths they can take to form other things, going on and on to form the "primordial pool" theory I believe. Your right. Same can be doubly said for Religious believers.
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| kisskissbangbang | Sep 8 2008, 04:11 PM Post #60 |
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Uhh remember that its a theory mk? But where did that material come from even (see what i mean?) am i supposed to believe it came from nothing? Thats why i believe in the creation model of origins kk? "I'm saying these 'silly people' uphold their belief by refusing to go to war, they see it as wrong and their beliefs forbid it. Whereas you see many religious people from all differen religions fighting and killing in wars, killing memebers of their own faith, it is those who refuse to go to war and kill, possibly kill folks sharing the same religious views, these people that surely make the sensible choice. Look at it this way, you get a guy from the Church of England fighting on one side, and another CoE guy fighting against them, both pray for God to help them in the battle, and they kill each other, how could a God aid a person to kill a fellow believer, it just doesn't make sense, this is why many religious people choose not to go to war." You think that a being which is beyond duality isn't capable of choosing sides? See its all about interpretation and duties to your country. as citizens we are all under the direction of our respective national leaders. They have access to much greater political and military intelligence than the general population . Those in the armed services are under obligation to their respective governments to execute the will of the sovereign kk? When they joined the military service, they entered into a CONTRACT by which they are then bound and to which they must dutifully respond Heres quote from the a.o.f "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law” Now if you have read the bible you would actually understand why there is war and people on both sides praying to the same god , but it looks like you havent. Try uhh.... the gospel of matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" See? See we have rights to fight for our liberty and families etc. why do you find that so hard to grasp? |
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