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| Topic Started: Sep 6 2008, 03:26 PM (544 Views) | |
| Shadow_fox | Sep 6 2008, 03:26 PM Post #1 |
 
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After you beat Raven in his tank, he starts speaking to who is obvioulsly Ocelot but calls him "General Ivan". Whats up with that? Could it be thats his real name or not? |
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| g-fox | Sep 6 2008, 03:51 PM Post #2 |
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it could have been a nickname or some kinda of joke toward ocelot when raven said that,general ivan was probably another person that ran away from a fight or something that may have been widely known to an extent and raven made fun of ocelot by calling him that since ocelot ran away from snake and fox |
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| jonhou | Sep 6 2008, 04:01 PM Post #3 |
 
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I think he called him Ivan because it is a very common Russian name as a kinda way to tease Ocelot. It isn't Ocelots real name, because we know it is Adamska (Russian)/Adam (Western) |
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| Helikaon | Sep 6 2008, 05:16 PM Post #4 |
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Ivan is commonly used in Western media as a derogative name for Russian characters as it is a stereotypical Russian name and has rather negative connotations due to the history of the name, that being Ivan the Terrible. Raven was mocking Ocelot because he lost to Snake and ran away from him, thus calling him a coward. |
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| Granin | Sep 6 2008, 11:43 PM Post #5 |
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Maybe a reference to Raikov from MGS3? Calling him a bi sexual tart who wairs thongs? As MGS3 was made after, and Kojima didn't plan that far, I doubt it. |
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| [X] Entity | Sep 8 2008, 12:54 PM Post #6 |
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Yes, I think it was derogative, that's certainly not Ocelot's real name.
As much time and effort as Metal Gear Solid alone took him, there's no way in hell that he did. Edited by [X] Entity, Sep 8 2008, 12:55 PM.
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| 250Mav | Sep 9 2008, 04:28 AM Post #7 |
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wow, i really never would have made that connection granin lol i just figured ivan was just a sterotypical name to call a russian. |
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| Fatpack | Sep 11 2008, 12:28 PM Post #8 |
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Ocelot's real name is Adamska... |
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| Kanashe | Sep 11 2008, 12:44 PM Post #9 |
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"Ivan" Was indeed a typycial Russian name, but I think it's a referance to Ivan the Terrible. Or he could be reffering as to what American's called some Russians, thus mocking Ocelot nationallity |
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| [X] Entity | Sep 12 2008, 01:13 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah, nice point. In any case, Raven definitely did not seem to care much for Ocelot. There was some animosity between them noticeable in what little time we see them speak. They had some of what seemed to be mutual bigotry occurring, though it may have gone deeper than that. Edited by [X] Entity, Sep 12 2008, 01:18 PM.
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| Shadow_fox | Sep 12 2008, 02:18 PM Post #11 |
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You see I was reading a thread in the MGS3 section and it was going on about Bigboss and Ocelots real name so I kinda started to wonder. But thanks guys  |
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| solid_snake08 | Sep 12 2008, 10:08 PM Post #12 |
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Also in mgs2 the soldier refers to ocelot as shalashaska. |
 
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| SYN | Sep 12 2008, 10:10 PM Post #13 |
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yeah dont look into man, it was just Raven pissing off Ocelot cuz he can 
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| [X] Entity | Sep 17 2008, 02:54 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah, he got that title when he became feared in a particular conflict, if I recall correctly. The DB should have more details, but I don't have it handy. |
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| pletox727 | Sep 17 2008, 05:03 PM Post #15 |
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It could't be his real name, in MGS3, Ocelot states his name is Shalashaska. |
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| Helikaon | Sep 17 2008, 06:29 PM Post #16 |
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Err no he didn't, he hadn't earned the nickname yet. He earned "Shalashaska" during the Afghan-Soviet War in the 80's, he was known and feared amongst the Mujahadeen for his skills in torture. He revealed his born name in Snake Eater (ADAM/Adamska) but he certainly never mentioned Shalashaska during the game and if he did, that's a serous fuck up on Kojima's part. |
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| [X] Entity | Sep 17 2008, 06:41 PM Post #17 |
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No, he never mentions being known as "Shalashaska" in Snake Eater. He only talks of his code name and his real name (Adam/Adamska, as indicated above).
No kidding. I've been through that game many times and never heard it, though. |
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| Solid Spartan | Sep 21 2008, 10:06 PM Post #18 |
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Just for mentioning sake, it could be possible that "Adamska Ivan" is his full name. Though I have no way of accessing the Database and find anything to back that up. |
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| Solid Gally | Sep 22 2008, 03:04 PM Post #19 |
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He does mention the name. Just before he tortures Snake, he says 'In the West, I was known and feared as Shalashaska'. 
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| Solid Gally | Sep 22 2008, 03:06 PM Post #20 |
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Oops, sorry. Thought that you were talking about MGS1 still. Ignore last post. |
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