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| "Sell Outs" pertaining to bands; I've grown tired of this term. | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 2 2008, 03:55 PM (181 Views) | |
| dJdC | Oct 2 2008, 03:55 PM Post #1 |
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I've grown really tired of the term "sell out". I've read a few use this term. Its Seems like any band today that goes mainstream are considered "SellOuts". When a person creates a band, isn't it the point to play large crowds and make money? I mean any band who doesn't never lasts and become nonexistent. Every band wants to travel the world and make new fans. I know if I had a band I would want to. If you do it just for the music then don’t have concerts for people to hear. Just have jam sessions in your garage. If you have a talent then use it, especially if you can use it to put food on the table for you and your loved ones. A bonus is putting smiles on people faces when they hear your music. Going mainstream just means that you’re investing in your talent. Production, managers, ect. your making sure talent doesn’t go unseen. Making sure your music is heard half way around the world to make new fans. I've heard a lot of great bands over the ages at the Stone Poney to CBGB's and I think Underground is great. But I think when you take your band outside the garage your no longer underground you are commercialized. When ever you play small venues people pay to get in. Maybe your bands name is put on a flyer or maybe it appears on the outside "Playing Tonight List" in brightlights and bold letters. Which in my opinion falls under the guidelines to the definition of a sellout band. |
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| OuterJaccob | Oct 2 2008, 04:04 PM Post #2 |
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I'd have to disagree, the point is generally just to play music, bands that don't play to large audiences last, in fact smaller bands usually end up lasting longer than more popular bands, even though they lose money with every show they play, they still carry on playing. I think you only become commercialised when you're willing to change what you do for money. I can think of hundreds of artists who have lasted for years who only play for average of 20 people per night, signing to major labels and selling out big auditoriums is generally more bad news than it is good, too many great bands split up as a result of stress when they get popular. |
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| dJdC | Oct 2 2008, 04:38 PM Post #3 |
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Well I'll give a lot of cudos to any band that lasts for than a few years without making a little bit of money. To hold a real full time job and then go out and perform every night is really incredible. I still don't see a problem with making money doing something that you love. I think we all wish for that to happen to us.
Edited by dJdC, Oct 2 2008, 04:40 PM.
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| Bladen | Oct 2 2008, 06:14 PM Post #4 |
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That is 100 million% correct. Long live the ramones Edited by Bladen, Oct 2 2008, 06:15 PM.
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| Roy Campbell | Oct 2 2008, 06:25 PM Post #5 |
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I'm with you dJdC. The be all and end all is that being musicians is they're job. They don't play to please people (although pleasing people happens to be part of the job), they don't play for the fun of it (another thing which happens to be part of the job - band may start this way though), they play music because its their job. A job is something is something you do to make money to feed yourself, to feed your family, to acquire those pleasures in life only money can buy. If I was in a band, I know I would give a toss about being branded a 'sell out'. If I get £fuck million for becoming mainstream, signing onto major labels or playing in front of large audiences I'd jump on the chance. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves, drop the philanthropist act.
Edited by Roy Campbell, Oct 2 2008, 06:26 PM.
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| Null | Oct 2 2008, 06:37 PM Post #6 |
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I've never considered bands that get famous sell-out's. What I consider selling out is when you compromise the bands or your own style to sell more. |
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| OuterJaccob | Oct 2 2008, 06:47 PM Post #7 |
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Probably 99% of musicians who perform live make very little money but I couldn't tell you how many of them do it in hope that one day they might become millionaires, Bladen stated a great example, Ramones, during the mid to late '70s after they released their self titled record they had major label offers coming at them left right and centre, but they stayed with the indie label they were with, in fact the only reason Ramones ever signed to a major label is because the indie label they were signed to merged with Warner, so they had no other option. I can't blame people for being tempted by cash money, and I rarely use the term sell out to describe a band, but personally, I couldn't bring myself to take the risk, I'm happy with my financial situation, and looking at people like Amy Winehouse, Pete Doherty, and in an extreme case, Kurt Cobain, I just wouldn't be willing to put my happiness on the line for a few million in my bank account. Edit: Agree with Null, getting famous is one thing, but turning into something you're not truly passionate about is just cheating yourself and your fans. Edited by OuterJaccob, Oct 2 2008, 06:48 PM.
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| ScarSnake | Oct 2 2008, 07:10 PM Post #8 |
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took the words right outta my mouth. I agree 100% with your statement Null. |
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| dJdC | Oct 2 2008, 07:20 PM Post #9 |
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Very true Null. But don't you think there comes a time when things need change? Maybe tone it down a bit? Lets say your 18, you start a band and become huge. If your still going making records at like 35.. wouldn't lyrics like "kill kill murder murder" still be in your vocabulary? You listen to rap. NWA's lyrics were crazy. Since those days didn't Dre change his style? Hes stopped the Gangsta rap. What about snoop? He changed big time but hes still great. I think you reach a point when you mature out of your lyrics. Especially when you have kids. |
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| Null | Oct 2 2008, 07:26 PM Post #10 |
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Well sure. Dre didn't sell out though, Snoop did for sure. Now he's doing country n western or something. But that album he put out a few years ago was fucking awful. But it was like one of his highest selling albums. He completley compromised his raw style for just pure pop R'N'B. Thats a sell out to me. If you are gonna adapt, then talk about more pertinent issues. Don't just cross genre because thats whats selling. |
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| FearHeldDear | Oct 2 2008, 07:42 PM Post #11 |
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Look at the band Murphy's Law, they've been around for at least 25 years, tour constantly, and probably really only make enough to keep some gas in their van and food in their stomachs. Jimmy G, the singer, only has real income from the tattoo shop he owns in NYC. |
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| dJdC | Oct 2 2008, 07:51 PM Post #12 |
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 I can see a lot of bands doing just that to simplely entertain. I'm sure there are exceptions like Murphys Law. But I would bet 9/10 bands wouldn't last a year doing that.
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| Null | Oct 2 2008, 07:57 PM Post #13 |
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Trust FHD to know a band like that |
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| FearHeldDear | Oct 2 2008, 08:29 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah, exactly, they do it to entertain and for the love of the music. So the point of starting a band isn't to play to large crowds and make money. I'm not one to throw around the term "sellout", though. I don't have a problem with a band getting bigger and making some money. When I started listening to Municipal Waste, nobody knew about them, and now they're getting to be one of the hugest metal bands around. The same with Skeletonwitch, Amon Amarth, etc. It's when bands that have gotten big change the way they sound to please more people that pisses me off. But then, I just don't listen to their new material. |
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| Null | Oct 2 2008, 08:47 PM Post #15 |
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Justify my thug.
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I knew about municipal waste, they were like the band to be listening to in the 40's. |
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| kkarbo | Oct 3 2008, 01:12 AM Post #16 |
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I guess you are referring to my rock/sell out comment. I was calling Metallica a sell out because they compromised their image for money. In the 80's, they were very political. The ...and justice for all album was a good example. They actively enouraged bootlegs. Now, James Hetfeild says he wants to separate his music from politics, and the Lars Ulrich V Napster case is legendary. I don't use the Sell out term overtly, I don't class Rage against the machine or Iron maiden as sell out bands, because they have not changed their image for monetary gain. The money just came to them. Iron Maiden have said on many occasions that they play what they like, not what is popular. Edited by kkarbo, Oct 3 2008, 01:14 AM.
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| The User | Oct 3 2008, 01:46 AM Post #17 |
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At the end of the day I still judge a band by the music they play, I like Metallica's music, so I am a Metallica fan. Same with all my other favorite bands.
Edited by The User, Oct 3 2008, 01:46 AM.
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| [X] Entity | Oct 5 2008, 06:47 PM Post #18 |
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I don't believe stylistic change that is not for the sake of greed — but for what the artist wants to play — is selling out. I would prefer to approach the subject with the attitude that I don't personally know the artists in question or even close and do not have adequate means to quantify whether or not they have "sold out". I would like to keep this mentality, short of admittance of "selling out", such as Gene Simmons has made. Bitching about bands that "sell out" accomplishes nothing, ultimately. If you don't like the direction a band is taking and think they're becoming too this or that or don't like their new hair styles, why not find something else you like, promote it and spare those sick of hearing such clichéd vitriol. Edited by [X] Entity, Oct 5 2008, 06:49 PM.
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