Do you think Solid Snake believes in God?

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Do you think Solid Snake believes in God?; Or any other character in the series.
Topic Started: Oct 8 2008, 09:05 PM (465 Views)
r0b	Oct 9 2008, 09:54 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,027 Group: Outer Heaven Member #7,510 Joined: May 23, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	i would of thought Big Boss would have the normal feelings toward religion as anyone else i.e. the choice whether or not to believe. whereas Solid Snake might not, as he would probably feel exempt seeing as he's "a snake which was not created by nature." - Vulcan Raven.



[X] Entity	Oct 9 2008, 12:06 PM Post #22
No. You. Posts: 1,481 Group: Outer Heaven Member #9,281 Joined: July 8, 2008	Yes, I'm sure his perspectives on the matter got much more complicated after the events of Metal Gear Solid.
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Splitter Snake	Oct 10 2008, 05:33 AM Post #23
Posts: 1,035 Group: Outer Heaven Member #6,992 Joined: March 23, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid	"The earth was blue, but there was no God." - Big Boss, MGS3 Reciting an atheistic quote screams atheist, so for the sake of argument, I'd say he was an atheist.
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[X] Entity	Oct 11 2008, 09:57 AM Post #24
No. You. Posts: 1,481 Group: Outer Heaven Member #9,281 Joined: July 8, 2008	Yuri Gagarin � the first human who went in to space � was speculated by the media to have said, "there's no God up here". There's no official record of Gagarin saying that. There is a verbatim record of Gagarin saying to ground control, "The Earth is blue. How wonderful. It is amazing". However, Nikita Krushchev said at Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union that "Gagarin flew into space, but didn't see any God there". Quote: Mostly because he never mentioned Him in any of the games, he is an ideologist and mostly uses "lines" to explain what's happening in life and he doesn't seem the type to believe in God. The Patriots seemed something like Him... controlling, manipulating and monitoring everything. If you're born in a world like that and your purpose is to erase this "God" why bothering believing in a real one in the first place? He's gone through a lot in his life and I don't believe God is the one that he relies or believes on. (MGS.) One might believe in a non-interventionist God. Furthermore, you don't have to "rely on" the concept of God to believe in it. There are supernatural tinges in the series, as Mantis, Raven and especially the Sorrow have abilities in such respects which are substantiated. It is important to note that one might be a supernaturalist but not a theist. Edited by [X] Entity, Oct 11 2008, 11:44 AM.
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khye	Oct 11 2008, 08:04 PM Post #25
Jail Guard Posts: 49 Group: Members Member #2,489 Joined: June 6, 2006	NextGen-Raiden Oct 8 2008, 09:53 PM Big Boss - no quote from the intro of MGS3 "....and there was no God" It's at the very beginning of MGS3. and quote from MGS TS " Gods got a twisted sense of humor, all right "



[X] Entity	Oct 12 2008, 02:06 PM Post #26
No. You. Posts: 1,481 Group: Outer Heaven Member #9,281 Joined: July 8, 2008	I thought it might be interesting to point out that over the years I have met a wide variety of people of vastly different walks who have enjoyed the MGS series as it has progressed and agreed with many points raised, even feeling their ethos � religious or not � to be strongly paralleled in an inspiring manner in the series. I have also met some self proclaimed "fundamentalist Christians" and "fundamentalist Muslims" with bizarrely uninformed and asininely insular opinions on the whole thing. Most of the open minded people I've come across — whatever they believe in terms of God and the supernatural — have taken something of value from the series. Edited by [X] Entity, Oct 12 2008, 02:08 PM.
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ThePhenom1993	Oct 16 2008, 09:00 AM Post #27
Light Infantry Posts: 150 Group: Members Member #7,062 Joined: April 2, 2008	I;m pretty sure that Zero does believe in god. He's british so it is likley that he believes in god and he is catholic. Cause in the intro of MGS3, when snake jumps, zero says:" Spread your wings and fly. God be with you." And the "g" in God is written capital.



Otacon_Hal	Oct 16 2008, 10:53 AM Post #28
The Hopeless Romantic Posts: 558 Group: FoxHound Member #8,854 Joined: June 21, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	Solid Snake is certainly aware of religion and biblical stories due to his conversation in the Tanker part of MGS2, where he corrects Otacon's statement on 'Original Sin' refering to Adam & Eve and her temptation by a Snake. Ofcourse religion is a strong theme in all the games but as to wether or not a Character from in the game is aware of it, you can only guess by what they say in the game. The game with the most religious juxtaposition is MGS3, with the careful placement of codenames like 'Eva', Adam and even her referances to Tempting the Snake and getting away with the forbidden fruit. Also I am certain that the fact that they are clones would have carried a certain irony that would not have escaped the type of characters they are supposed to be. (Necessary MGS4 Spoiler) Spoiler: click to toggle Eva even speaks with religious overtones when she meets Snake, who is now a grown man, and informs him that even cloning can not escape the natural order, and that the embryos must still be brought to term within a woman. And Otacon's small speech about how Scientists are not 'Satanists' - in that they prey before the altar of discovery and sometimes serve the purposes of wide-spread destruction, misery and 'evil'. I could harp on but I won't! Yes the whole game is built around religious metaphor and scientific interventions. Some characters do seem to be aware of Stories within catholicism though. ^^ Edited by Otacon_Hal, Oct 16 2008, 10:57 AM.
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[X] Entity	Oct 16 2008, 03:25 PM Post #29
No. You. Posts: 1,481 Group: Outer Heaven Member #9,281 Joined: July 8, 2008	Well, Stanley Kubrick used to say that all great artworks are evocative to people on a religious level or at least touch on lofty aspirations of quasi-cosmic nature. I consider the MGS series a great work of art, so I am not at all surprised that it is religiously evocative in a lot of deliberate ways. Whether you believe in it or not, it's interesting, and if you can get by fundamentalist nonsense hopefully you can at least appreciate like you might mythology. Spoiler: click to toggle I thought it was very interesting how Zero, in essence, idolized Big Boss. Snake said that Zero's take on Big Boss "sounded like a religion", to which Eva said, "naturally". Edited by [X] Entity, Oct 16 2008, 03:27 PM.
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TheVelvetOnion	Oct 18 2008, 01:32 PM Post #30
Jail Guard Posts: 33 Group: Members Member #10,161 Joined: September 12, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	I have two views on it, i could debate yes but also no... So here is my thoughts on both... No - Solid Snake was pretty much born into the battlefield - his destiney was pre-chosen and had no hand in self development. Maybe through his training even with Master Miller he had not even contemplated Gods existance. Considering the fact that he sees so much death on the battlefield and is uneffected by it. However Yes - one could figure that Snake did once have faith. Not knowing where you come from can leave someone looking for answers. Everyone looks for a kind of purpose in life and sometimes leads them to consider the role of god. However weather he did or did not believe in god, i think his current views on GOD is he has lost his faith a little, think this shows the most in the metal gear solid games.



Plasmasnake	Oct 24 2008, 07:30 PM Post #31
Jail Guard Posts: 72 Group: Members Member #1,943 Joined: March 26, 2006	While there aren't many references to any character believing in God, I can't help but think of The Sorrow in MGS3, with his soul appearing to Naked Snake a lot and also the R1 scene after you kill The Boss when you can see The Sorrow and The Boss standing together as Ghost or Souls...that doesn't mean Naked Snake believed in God or Solid Snake for that matter. but its interesting because there are a lot of supernatural elements in the series that can be better explained with a higher power perhaps, maybe not the God of the bible, but a detached God of some sort.



darthvader55	Oct 24 2008, 09:29 PM Post #32
Jail Guard Posts: 51 Group: Members Member #10,425 Joined: October 20, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	outerheaven817 Oct 8 2008, 09:05 PM Do you think that Snake or Big Boss believe in God or religion.I dont think they do. Oh and if you want to talk about any other characters believing or not post that too. I think Snake just believes.



outerheaven817	Oct 26 2008, 09:15 PM Post #33
Outer Heaven.We'll need one soon. Posts: 456 Group: The Special Forces Member #10,267 Joined: September 29, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake	I just realized something.Snake does believe in god in the earlier MG games. In MG2:SS the part where Natasha gets shot on the bridge he something like oh god no.
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Suck My Solid Snake	Oct 27 2008, 05:32 PM Post #34
Light Infantry Posts: 123 Group: Members Member #1,756 Joined: February 14, 2006	ThePhenom1993 Oct 16 2008, 09:00 AM I;m pretty sure that Zero does believe in god. He's british so it is likley that he believes in god and he is catholic. Cause in the intro of MGS3, when snake jumps, zero says:" Spread your wings and fly. God be with you." And the "g" in God is written capital. Because all British people are Catholic? I love the ignorance of some kids on here. Catholicism as a whole plays second fiddle to the Church of England is most of parts of Britain, that still doesn't make British people religious. I gre up in a Catholic school, but am I religious, not at all. Also, didn't Solid Snake say to Otacon (after Otacon mentioned about his Father being born on the day of the Hiroshima Bomb) "God's got a sense of humour, alright." I wouldn't take that too literally though. EDIT - Here's the quote: Quote: Emmerich : The truth is... my grandfather was part of the Manhattan Project. He suffered with the guilt for the rest of his life. And my father... he was born on August 6, 1945... Snake : The day of the Hiroshima bomb... God's got a sense of humour all right. Edited by Suck My Solid Snake, Oct 27 2008, 05:34 PM.
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puenboy	Nov 4 2008, 12:47 PM Post #35
Light Infantry Posts: 121 Group: Members Member #10,457 Joined: October 25, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	Snake only belive in food and bullets..... and Otacon and friends/comrades.
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Mundante	Nov 7 2008, 09:15 AM Post #36
Jail Guard Posts: 7 Group: Members Member #10,532 Joined: November 6, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	That's a pretty nice question actually, knowing just how many impossible things happened to Snake and all. But I find him very tactfull and analytical and pretty sure God was never really part of his belief, but I do think he believes in luck.



Fatpack	Nov 7 2008, 09:20 AM Post #37
Posts: 228 Group: Outer Heaven Member #9,880 Joined: August 18, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots	Yeah, Snake's God is Hideo Hideo created him xD But back on topic; No, not really... The MGS-series are not that much pointed at religious thoughts and meanings either... And that's good, cause think about it... If the MGS-characters were christians, and a person who was... let's say... anyways, another religion... And this person was like possessed by the religion, and didn't accept other truths than his/her own, and started playing the MGS-games... That would be bad Edited by Fatpack, Nov 7 2008, 09:25 AM.
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[X] Entity	Nov 7 2008, 09:20 AM Post #38
No. You. Posts: 1,481 Group: Outer Heaven Member #9,281 Joined: July 8, 2008	No, I don't think he believes in luck, here's a Metal Gear Solid quote: "Luck means nothing on a battlefield. After a week, no one has luck."
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Mundante	Nov 7 2008, 09:54 AM Post #39
Jail Guard Posts: 7 Group: Members Member #10,532 Joined: November 6, 2008 Favourite Metal Gear Title? Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater	Yes, I took that quote into consideration when I was writing this and at the end of MGS 1 it ould most likely stand true, however in MGS2 it was the Lady Luck who saved all of their lives. "She is Lady Luck". That's how they survived, by pure luck, so my opinion about Snake changed a bit that day. Could be wrong as you said, but that's what I like to think anyways.



Suck My Solid Snake	Nov 13 2008, 12:09 AM Post #40
Light Infantry Posts: 123 Group: Members Member #1,756 Joined: February 14, 2006	[X Entity,Nov 7 2008, 09:20 AM]No, I don't think he believes in luck, here's a Metal Gear Solid quote: "Luck means nothing on a battlefield. After a week, no one has luck." Isn't is "A name means nothing on the battlefield. After a week, no one had a name"? But I do recall a quote along the lines of "There's no such thing as luck on the battlefield".
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