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| Paranoia in it's fullness; Is Kojima onto something? | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 13 2008, 05:11 PM (428 Views) | |
| Metal-Snake | Oct 13 2008, 05:11 PM Post #1 |
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Recently I have endulged myself with many philosophical readings and also a few books that have led me to truly question how real this reality of ours is. I was contemplating the consequences of there really being an organisation of some sort controlling the governments we all are governed by. The possiblity of this scares me to such an extent that I am beginning to research documents abd theories based on this idea. What if the "patriots" really did exist? Would you be able to understand it or explain it. The thought baffles me. The recent crash of the United States economy might be 'evidence' of this. Please voice your opinions. |
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| Wayno | Oct 13 2008, 10:09 PM Post #2 |
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Sounds a bit like the theories on the New World Order. |
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| kappy0405 | Oct 13 2008, 11:44 PM Post #3 |
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Thankyou for making this thread, especially now that my conspiracy thread was unjustly (imo) closed. =( Ive been talking about the conspiracy in this section of the forum for a few weeks now. Everyone thinks Im crazy, so be prepared for that.. lol Look up Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati, The Rothschild banking dynasty, the Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, CFR, skull & bones, bohemian grove.. There is much more evidence to prove this then most of things that our society blindly accepts as 'the way it is'. The Illuminati did infact exist. It was founded in 1776, and its goal was infact to create a global government. Although it was 'officially' disbanded some years later, many people believed they are still around, and there is evidence to suggest that.. Infact Adam Weishaupt is quoted many times saying that for his goal to work, it needs to be done 'behind the scenes' anyway. George Washington recognized that they spread into the US, and was actually satisfied by that. Many presidents have spoke many times of a global government and several of the same things that weishaupt suggested... If you truly do research on this with an open mind, i guarantee you will be convinced it is real.. and yes, kojima was definitely aware of the conspiracy theory. -Arsenal Gear AI named 'GW' - George W Bush -Several people claimed that Soludus looks similar to Bush -Arsenal Gear destruction in NYC, 9/11 in NYC -Patriots cant say the word so they say lalelulilo.. Members of Illuminati were forbidden to speak of it. I could go on, but you can find the similarities for yourself. Your in for life changing discoveries if you pursue this... If youre not convinced that our government would be willing to ''stage events'', look up "operation northwoods", "mk ultra", "operation mascal" to get started.. Edited by kappy0405, Oct 14 2008, 03:50 AM.
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| BigBoss14 | Oct 14 2008, 12:51 AM Post #4 |
You've lost your God damn mind!
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Well I think it's safe to agree that Kojima's Patriots are based on organizations like the Illuminati and the free masons and the whole NWO theory. Now whether he believes in it is a different story. |
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| kappy0405 | Oct 14 2008, 03:54 AM Post #5 |
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i would say that is definitely the case. Infact, one of the first known secret societies was called the "brotherhood of the SNAKE"... Some have even linked this group with freemasonry and the Illuminati, although i cant vouch for the legitimacy of that claim... The "sons of liberty" was an american group who rivaled the ideas of the rich european bankers, which is allegedely part of the 'illuminati', just as soludus' group rivals the patriots in mgs2. Even the idea of his "wisemens committee" in mgs3 is real, and involved 12 members, including an 'isaac SEARS', who strangely enough was called "king sears", and who was captain of his own ship, similar to soludus (george sears) taking over the tanker. as far as him believing it, i would think theres been an interview where he was asked about it.. ive been looking but cant find one. Who knows.. I would love to hear his take on it though. Edited by kappy0405, Oct 14 2008, 04:06 AM.
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| Shyne-Bryght | Oct 14 2008, 07:33 AM Post #6 |
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Hmmm, there are definately similarities, but there will be, the whole Patriots idea is based on conspiracy behind the scenes, controlling things, so Konami would have undertaken a lot of research into known conspiracies and ideas and made references to them in the game. |
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| black king | Oct 15 2008, 02:06 AM Post #7 |
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1. GW= George Washington not Bush. 2. Solidus was a muscular man in an exosleleton with a missing eye and two swords. No similarity. 3. MGS2 was on April 30th 2009 not 9/11 4. that is the truest one. |
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| kappy0405 | Oct 15 2008, 03:16 AM Post #8 |
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lol 1. GW - it could represent Washington. i didnt think of that plus the washington statue at the end of the game at federal hall.. you may be right. Bush is current though. The plans of arsenal gear were to test their ability to influence people, censor the net and people rights,etc.. something Bush has made pushes for and the illuminati is thought to do. It could be either/or I guess. 2. lol I didnt say they looked alike but ive seen it tossed around by a few people.. also Soludus name IS GEORGE and he was president in mgs1. No similarity? THEY HAVE THE SAME FIRST NAME. 3. not sure why the dates matter. The patriots' operations in NY caused the destruction at the federal building. It is believed that the Illuminati operations caused the destruction of 9/11 in NY. Thats not a similarity? He probably would not have been allowed to use the same dates anyway. There are several other similarities.. i didnt even mention many of them. Did you see my last post?? there are more.. |
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| Tamashi_7 | Oct 16 2008, 12:47 PM Post #9 |
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It's confirmed to be Washington. You can find that fact in the Official MGS2 Script or Game Plan. Whilst Kojima could have taken inspiration from the current president at the time — like his first name — screaming about a mere name means very little. Nevertheless, I do believe Kojima probably did do that. Err... no. 9/11 happened a few days prior to MGS2's release — meaning Kojima took no inspiration from the event. In fact, Kojima had to quickly go back and heavily censor the ending of the game due to the event in question. But yeah, there's no inspiration there in MGS2. That's wrong. Only agents/soldiers under The Patriots' control couldn't speak the name — The Patriots themselves could. Sorry about that, I'm just sit-picking on trivial MGS facts — it's what I do.  Topic: The idea sounds all good and well to control any nation from behind the scenes, but really, with the level of media coverage we have in this day and age, something would have gotten out regarding such an organization if they wanted the level of control needed to make such an organization worthwhile. This is exactly why The Patriots wanted to implement a system like S3 in the MGS universe, because in today's society, there is just too much information that goes uncontrolled which could easily jepridize an Illuminati-like organisation's plans/welfare. |
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| 250Mav | Oct 16 2008, 10:43 PM Post #10 |
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idk if we have a full blown "patriots" but im sure there are some people in the shadows that have WAY too much influence within the US |
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| OuterJaccob | Oct 16 2008, 11:05 PM Post #11 |
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Well, yeah, I mean pretty much all developed countries' governments have 'advisers' who are more powerful than their job description makes out, and a lot of them have got pretty dark agendas, that shit's not even a secret. I won't comment on whether I believe in a NWO or the Illuminati, because after years of thinking about it, I haven't even decided for myself, but The Patriots are obviously just Kojima's take on them. |
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| kappy0405 | Oct 17 2008, 04:47 AM Post #12 |
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no prob with the nitpicking. I havent even played MGS4 yet, so i dont have all the details, but my point is that there are so many similarities that its obvious Kojima was inspired.. I dont see how some people are even debating that... The main topic in this thread is the existence of an Illuminati-like organization. ——————————— Your point on the media.. everybody always wants to bring that up as the first reason their cant be a conspiracy.. Are you aware that almost all forms of media including all major news stations are ultimately owned by just a handful of men? who just happen to attend annual meetings along with presidents, prime ministers, media heads, etc from all over the world. The government absolutely has the power to control the media as it sees fit. Read this quote from one of the richest men in America, whos family is oddly enough married into the richest family in Europe, familes who own stocks in nearly every major bank in the world, including the federal reserve and the bank of england, not to mention many of the media empires all over the television.. families who have constantly bragged that they control the government... "we are grateful to the washington post, the newyork times, time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. it would have been impossible for us to develop OUR PLAN FOR THE WORLD if we had been subjected to the light of publicity during those years... the world is more prepared to MARCH TOWARDS A WORLD GOVERNMENT. the supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practice in past centuries" David Rockefeller - council on foreign relations, member of rockefeller banking dynasty "For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a SECRET CABALworking against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. IF THATS THE CHARGE, I STAND GUILTY and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller[/b] "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept our New World Order." - David Rockefeller "The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance." John Swinton-former Chief of Staff for the New York Times ——- There are a few decent arguments to suggest there is no conspiracy, but the 'media' argument is a moot point.
I just discussed how they control the news, and this type of censorship might be well on its way too.. In PNAC, a public document put together by world leaders to "further America" mentioned implementing technology that would allow them to "prevent enemies from using the internet".. I havent done any research on how they could do that, but it is there.. I would assume this would go for citizens too. There have been several small pushes towards this over the years as well.. just a few days ago Bush signed a bill that gives the government the ability to literally go into your home and confiscate your computer for involvement in 'piracy', including downloading music. Is this neccessary? No, but it does give them an excuse, doesnt it? There are lots of people online devoted to spreading this information; unfortunately, due to the fact that 99.9% of the world blindly accepts what they see through the news and never does a minute of research for themselves, I doubt that they are too worried about it being jeopardized. More times than not, we conspiracy theorists are labeled 'crazy' by these kinds of people. Their ability to control the media is way more than enough because of this. |
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| kkarbo | Oct 17 2008, 10:41 AM Post #13 |
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Agreed. I think it's a failing on the education boards, myself. School is supposed to be about learning, the pursuit of knowledge, not just to learn the skills needed to get a better job. Funny isn't is, how capitalism even corrupts schooling.
Indeed. It is the governments way of controlling conformity of the masses. Abnormal opinions are supposed to be ridiculed, amirite? I've seen it myself. I live in a mining town in the north of england. Despite there being a large amount of skater and goth groups, the ignorance of 'normal' people led me to believe (when I was growing up) that these cliques are mad self harming freaks.
I don't know which you are talking about, the Illuminati or the governments of the world, but either way, media cencorship is the reason why I am in full support of the internet. All information and opinion, true or not is completely uncencored. It is the only place where people's rights to free speech are always effective. I know that the governments (or the Illuminati) can block access, or at least request that the isps block access to certain sites, but there are ways around it. Oh, I should point out that I do not believe in conspiracy theories. I believe that all America's, and indeed, all government's and organisation's, actions are traceble, and would certainly be exposed. That said however, I do aknowledge that there are many unexplained anomolies and deviations in America's actions and budgets over its existence. Edited by kkarbo, Oct 17 2008, 10:47 AM.
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| [X] Entity | Oct 17 2008, 03:29 PM Post #14 |
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I don't really ascribe to any particular conspiracy theories, though I am a skeptic regarding generally accepted status quos on innumerable things. I believe that some of the most egregious threats to liberty are right in front of your face — i.e. imperialistic agendas ala Project for the New American Century.
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| kappy0405 | Oct 17 2008, 07:46 PM Post #15 |
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heres the thing.. there should be no doubt in any informed persons mind that there is indeed a plan to form a global economy or government, and I think you agree with that much. tbh, that much IS public knowledge if people would only look for it.. Unfortunately, its hardly in the news, so most people will deny it until its here. The 'conspiracy theory' is simply that... a group of people plan and have been planning for quite some time to create a world government, which was infact the goal of the real Illuminati in the 1700's.. so whether or not they are just government members in the the RIIA, the club of rome, CFR, the trilateral commission, bilderbergs.. or that they are infact run by members of the Illuminati bloodlines, its all irrelevant.. however, the more you look into things, the more you see that these political organizations are infact connected, and even started in some instances, by the same families who were connected to secret societies such as the 'round table' or the 'illuminati' or the top levels of freemasonry or the knights of malta.. etc.. i guess it could all be a coincidence, though i choose not to believe that. so basically, if you believe that there is a plan for world government or world economy, you are a conspiracy theorist, just like me and millions of other 'wackos'.. The 'illuminati' is simply how we refer to those doing it. Whether they are under a different name now or not even organized into a group, it is irrelevant to the theory. |
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| BigBoss14 | Oct 17 2008, 08:12 PM Post #16 |
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Until there is undeniable proof I won't fully believe in these conspiracy theories but I do agree that there are people out there that want to push for world economy but whether or not how big it goes or if the Illuminati are behind it has been yet to be proofed. |
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| kkarbo | Oct 17 2008, 09:30 PM Post #17 |
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This is kind of my problem with conspiracy theories, they are too hollywood. I won't deny there's a possiblilty, or even a reality that a world government could be formed. I won't deny it because it almost came true. Case in hand, America's 'Grand Area' plan. This was a plan conducted after the events of the second world war for America to seize key points on the globe. The hilarious document PPS23 shows America's mindset at the time. We have about 50 percent of the world's wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population.... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity.... We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.... We should cease to talk about vague and..., unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better. I will attempt to explain what the grand area plan was for. Basically, America wanted to Conquer the galaxy, with space exploration. Realising that this would be impossible without mass resources, America's war cabinet calculated where the best key points were. Due to the fact that people were living in said areas, the capture of these resources would be a problem. So the 'only' way was for America to declare war on, or annex theose places. Such places were; Nicaragura (Which America called a terrible place despite having a good health and education service); Laos (A place that most of the inhabitants weren't aware they lived in, but America said the country was a threat, and bombed to hell anyway.), and ... Wait for it... Veitnam. Dum dum dum. I like to call this plan 'The Manifest Destiny on crack.' So you see, that was not a shadow orginisation, but America itself. This information was attained quite quickly. Now you could say that America was working on behalf of another secret orginisation, but I somehow doubt it. The information would have linked the orginisation to the actions, and they would have been uncovered. Anyone who is interested should note that this plan was in effect right up to the 80's, and has not officially been disbanded. Oh, and kappy, wasn't the illuminati disbanded when Adam Weishaupt was exiled from bavaria? The whole orginisation fell apart. There was no one to take the power, was there not? What do you conspiracy theorists believe on this? Who controlled the Illuminati, post Weishaupt? Another thing I wanted to ask, why do you believe the illuminati are those who will bring NWO? Why not the skull and bones? Surely that is a more feasable group to be pulling the strings. A few presidents have been in it, hell Georege bush (SR) was one of the major members, during the 1940's was he not? Edited by kkarbo, Oct 17 2008, 09:53 PM.
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| wraith shadow | Oct 18 2008, 03:34 AM Post #18 |
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It wouldn't work out I just wouldn't worry about it |
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| kkarbo | Oct 18 2008, 03:40 AM Post #19 |
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Well, I thought that maybe I had wasted my time posting, but that reply has made it all worthwhile. /sarcasm |
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| wraith shadow | Oct 18 2008, 03:49 AM Post #20 |
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fuck off I was posting my opinion and I don't see shit wrong with that. like your post meant so much more than bullshit? Edited by wraith shadow, Oct 18 2008, 03:57 AM.
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