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| Topic Started: Jan 3 2009, 09:38 PM (5,767 Views) | |
| Webbie | Jan 3 2009, 09:38 PM Post #1 |
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Main Event UFC World Welterweight Championship Georges “Rush” St. Pierre versus “The Prodigy” BJ Penn  [VS]  Main Card Lyoto Machida vs. Thiago Silva Stephan Bonnar vs. Jon Jones Karo Parisyan vs. Dong Hyun Kim Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida Preliminary Card Jon Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono Manny Gamburyan vs. Thiago Tavares John Howard vs. Chris Wilson Jake O'Brien vs. Christian Wellisch Matt Arroyo vs. Dan Cramer Anybody else as hyped up for this event as I am? UFC world lightweight champion BJ Penn moving up to the welterweight division to try and avenge his split decision loss to the 170-pound champion GSP. Without a doubt it's going to be a war. If their last fight was five rounds it's possible that St. Pierre could've finished BJ as he was gassing tremendously, but this time BJ will be in top form. Honestly, as much as I like St. Pierre, I don't think he has a very good chance of knocking out or submitting BJ whatsoever, whereas I think BJ could execute either on GSP if given the opportunity. However, I still think GSP's the more well-rounded fighter, and if I were to predict the fight I'd have to go with him, but I don't think it'd be an upset for BJ to finish GSP. In the co-main event Lyoto Machida will dominate Thiago Silva, and there's no question when he does that he deserves a shot at the light heavyweight championship far more than anybody else. He deserved it a long time ago. Once he becomes champion I believe he'll stay that way just like Penn/St. Pierre/Silva have in their respective divisions. |
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| kappy0405 | Jan 5 2009, 06:18 AM Post #2 |
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My picks.. St. Pierre over Penn Machida over Silva Bonnar over Jones Parisyan over hyun kim diaz over guida fitch over gono and I don't know enough about the other fighters to make a prediction or really care either.. Honestly, I've never been a fan of BJ's and I honestly think Pierre is gonna take this easily, especially if it goes 5 rounds. I can see a 50-45 score if that happens. That division is running out of contenders though.. I wonder whats gonna happen after this fight. I think Machida will take this fight, but I don't see him dominating the division quite yet. He's only fought once in the last year.. and even though he may be qualified, I still think Dana Whites gonna make him work his way up to the top a little more.. Rampage, Griffin, & maybe even Lidell are still ahead of him imo, not to mention Anderson Silva and Rich Franklin who you know White is gonna rush to the top if they do well. Machida is gonna have to atleast beat one of them before he gets a title shot.. And I'm expecting Rashad to eventually dominate that division even more so than Pierre and A. Silva do in theirs anyway.. Who knows tho.. This is gonna be a fun year to be a UFC fan though even if just for this division.. I'm not sure about the Bonnar fight, but I'm hoping he makes a comeback so I guess I have to pick him.  I think it would be great to see a rematch between him and Griffin eventually, but I'm not sure Bonnar will ever become that good though..Anyway, this is another great card.. I'm not too excited about 93, but it will be a decent card too. |
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| Webbie | Jan 5 2009, 11:43 AM Post #3 |
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I've never been a huge BJ fan (heh, BJ Penn at least), but the fact is he's an amazing fighter and if he were in shape the last time he fought St. Pierre and Hughes I think they could've been different fights. Expect to be surprised with BJ in this fight.
Dood, do you remember how highly touted Sokoudjou was when he stepped into the UFC? Machida arm-triangled him in the second round in his debut. He also dominated Tito Ortiz (FAR better than Rashad who honestly lost to Tito IMO) and a few others in the division. Seriously, when he gets his shot I honestly believe he'll reign as champion for a long time. |
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| ScarSnake | Jan 5 2009, 01:53 PM Post #4 |
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this is an epic battle that alot of MMA fans have been waiting to see again, a Rematch. Im pretty stoaked about it, the local sports bar here is playing it so im gonna have to go there and watch it. Im giving this battle to GSP, the reason why is because he is the best fighter the UFC has and he is better now then he ever was. I'm not taking anything away from BJ Penn, Bj is one of the best fighters in the UFC as well..but he couldn't beat GSP the first time around, then he won't be able to beat the new and improved GSP. I hope GSP wins *prays* |
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| Webbie | Jan 5 2009, 03:59 PM Post #5 |
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A lot of people contend that BJ was the true winner of their first fight (which I personally disagree with) and that if he would've trained properly and went into the fight in shape he would've taken the fight. That being said, BJ will have no excuses if he loses this time around. Regardless of who wins, it's going to be a fucking war without a doubt. Will the fight of the year take place already in January? It's very possible. |
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| kappy0405 | Jan 5 2009, 06:41 PM Post #6 |
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=) dont get me wrong, Machida definitely deserves a shot at it. I just don't think Dana White works that way. He's gonna have to get some more recognition first. I have no doubt he will get a title shot eventually, I just think it wont be until the end of this year or even early next year. |
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| Webbie | Jan 5 2009, 10:32 PM Post #7 |
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Unfortunately I'm afraid you could be right, but I'm not sure that they can just ignore it this time if Lyoto dominates Thiago. It's the co-main event, so they're making somewhat of a big deal about it. If Lyoto wins and they seriously think Page deserves another shot at the belt already than they should at least make it Machida versus Page for the number one contendership. |
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| kappy0405 | Feb 1 2009, 06:03 AM Post #8 |
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awesome night.. George St. Pierre completely outclassed Penn. He didn't even belong there. If this night proved one thing, its how incredibly overrated BJ is.. Now I'm just hoping Florian takes his LW-belt when they go at it and we can forget about BJ.. lol.. (srry, i just don't like the guy) You were right about Machida.. he was dominating... One more victory and he'll have his title shot.. It's inevitable. As for Rampage, he's fighting Jardin in April so we'll see what happens.. maybe the winner of that fight will get Machida first. Anyway, I'm loving the way 09 is shaping up... And Rogan mentioned Fedor coming over too possibly.. Hopefully it's not just rumors like usual. It would be amazing to see how he would fare in the UFC. =) Edited by kappy0405, Feb 1 2009, 06:08 AM.
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| Webbie | Feb 1 2009, 07:00 AM Post #9 |
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LOL... you've gotta be kidding about BJ. This fight proved that GSP is a fucking animal, not that BJ is weak. BJ just can't hang with GSP like 9 out of 10 other fighters, but I guarantee you if he doesn't lose confidence and continues to train hard nobody will stop him at 155. He's the best lightweight in the world. I'm just hoping the loss to GSP doesn't ruin him; I'd love to see him and Florian go at it. IMO Machida doesn't need any more wins; he deserved a title shot before this fight. But to be honest I don't really care because with a performance like he gave tonight the least they're gonna do is give him the winner of Page/Jardine (likely Page by vicious KO in the first), and I'm confident he'll have no trouble disposing of either. I think he can do to anyone else in the division what he did to Thiago Silva tonight. You watch... he's the next Fedor Emelianenko Honestly, I see Fedor destroying Barnett next in the third Affliction show by which time Randy may be out of his contract with the UFC and will be able to fight Fedor which could set up a nice fourth and possibly final Affliction show. If Fedor beats these guys Brock will be the only one left for him, so he could just sign with the UFC for a single fight, merk Brock, and then maybe just retire unless he can get superfights with Anderson Silva or maybe even by that time Machida. I'm serious... Machida will be on top 
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| kappy0405 | Feb 1 2009, 05:08 PM Post #10 |
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=) yeah, st. pierre is an animal.. I just don't like BJ (at all) so ofcourse I've gotta put him down as much as possible after that.  hah TBH, Jon Fitch put up a better fight & Pierre almost looked bored last night... I could be wrong but I think Florian has already beaten everybody that Penn has anyway so I'm not sure Penn is really out of his league.. It's gonna be a good fight though... Other than that, I think you're right about the LW division.Machida was amazing & I have no doubt now that he'll get his chance soon.. He said he was ready for the title and Rogan mentioned it too so its gotta be goin through Dana Whites head.. Maybe he WILL get the next title fight. What do you think are the chaneces of St. Pierre & Anderson Silva goin at it in the future @ middleweight!?They both are easily the most dominating fighters around. If they hold on to their titles throughout this year, I think it might happen. Pierre walks around at 185 anyway so it would be possible. Now that would be an amazing fight! |
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| Webbie | Feb 1 2009, 05:50 PM Post #11 |
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Actually, Joe Daddy is the only one of BJ's recent opponents that KenFlo has fought and beaten. KenFlo got pretty dominated by Sean Sherk I see BJ doing to him what he did to Pulver, Joe Daddy and Sherk all in one, especially if he hasn't lost his drive after losing to St. Pierre and goes into the fight determined and looking to prove a point. If he hasn't lost his drive, I seriously feel bad for BJ's next opponent. After what GSP did to him he should really want to whoop some ass. The thing about St. Pierre versus Anderson Silva is that Anderson is so much bigger than GSP. Anderson looked damn good when he fought at 205 pounds. He's a big man. He cuts A LOT of weight to make 185, whereas GSP would actually have to put on a lot of the right kind of weight to weigh anywhere near as much as Anderson. Regardless of that, though, I think if St. Pierre demolishes Thiago Alves (which won't be easy) there will be very few challenges left for him at welterweight and I'd expect him to move up to middleweight any time after that really. |
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| ScarSnake | Feb 2 2009, 03:59 PM Post #12 |
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I was glad to see my predictions of GSP winning were right. I havn't watched the fight yet but i seen some highlights from it and by the looks of it. I'd say GSP dominated BJ, GSP is an animal. |
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| Webbie | Feb 2 2009, 08:55 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah, he pretty much dominated him. He won every round and IMO (as well as two of the judges' opinions) he won the fourth 10-8. BJ had no answers whatsoever. LOL @ some people acting like GSP was trying to cheat by having vasoline put on his back. GSP's the last fighter in the world who would even attempt something like that. It's just a ridiculous accusation over a simple mistake. |
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| kappy0405 | Feb 3 2009, 01:53 AM Post #14 |
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Thats quite a prediction.. It doesn't get much more dominating then what he did to those guys.. I like Florian, and he's looked amazing his last few fights.. I'm hoping it will end up being closer than you think... But yeah, after him theres not much left in that class anymore. (honestly, all the divisions are kinda lacking depth right now, except light-heavyweight) Silva looked AMAZING at 205.. He won by KO in the 1st round right? Perhaps we'll see Machida go at him next cuz you know Dana's gonna rush Silva to the top. That's F'd up about the Pierre rumors.. I hadn't even heard about that. He's one of the most respectable fighters out there so that's ridiculous.. Besides, how much would it have mattered anyway? BJ was helpless.. I can't even believe that someone would bring that up. Edited by kappy0405, Feb 3 2009, 01:54 AM.
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| Webbie | Feb 3 2009, 02:52 AM Post #15 |
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While Silva did look good at 205, he was facing a tomato can with no heart. Also, I used to hope for a Machida/Silva showdown myself until I remembered that they're in the same camp and it'll never happen. I honestly think Machida would win the fight, but Anderson is just the type of person that could beat Machida. |
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| kappy0405 | Feb 4 2009, 05:15 AM Post #16 |
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ahh shit, I forgot that too.. Either way, I got you to admit that SOMEONE could beat Machida. lol'tomato can with no heart' - good one.. so who do you think Silva's gonna fight next at 205? I gotta believe that Dana White is gonna push him up to the top as quickly as possible. He probably only needs 1 more victory to get the title shot, no? |
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| Webbie | Feb 4 2009, 04:08 PM Post #17 |
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I doubt that. I don't believe he'll be going for the 205 belt at all. He's actually talked about retiring at the end of this year as unfortunate as it is. His entire career he's planned on retiring at 35, and it's coming right up. BTW, I don't think Anderson Silva could beat Machida, I just think he's the type of guy who would present him problems with his aggressive yet accurate striking. I honestly think Machida would be able to handle him, though. Machida's very underrated. |
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| kappy0405 | Feb 6 2009, 01:41 AM Post #18 |
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looks like i misread what you said on machida/silva.. Why would Silva even bother going up to 205 if he didn't have the belt in mind though? I wouldn't understand him retiring if he's still dominating like he currently is. That would be insane... |
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| Webbie | Feb 6 2009, 02:20 AM Post #19 |
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Me neither, but that's what he said he wants to do. It's not a sure thing yet, but it's what he's planned on doing his entire career. According to his manager and translator Ed Soares Anderson's responsibility is to defend the middleweight belt but he's willing to fight at 205 if there's big fights he can be a part of in that division. Basically, which ever division has the bigger fights he's willing to take them. Also, I don't really think Dana would like Silva as the 205 pound champion because, despite being one of the greatest pound for pound fighters in the game today, he's still not that well known and therefore he doesn't sell very many tickets. |
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| Webbie | Feb 6 2009, 04:35 PM Post #20 |
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http://mmajunkie.com/news/13927/penn-accepts-st-pierres-challenge-for-third-meeting.mma I've lost almost all respect for BJ Penn and his camp. Whatever, though. If BJ wants it, let him have it. I guarantee St. Pierre will retire him. Edit: I just found this and couldn't help but add it in here... 
Edited by Webbie, Feb 6 2009, 08:53 PM.
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