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Harlem Store Owner Kills 2 Robbers wounds 2 more.
Topic Started: Aug 15 2009, 07:02:13 AM (2,179 Views)
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/08142009/news/regionalnews/harlem_store_owner__i_had_no_choice_but__184568.htm


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Charles Augusto, Jr., bought a gun 20 years ago after he was first robbed, but never discharged it until yesterday, when four would-be robbers entered his Harlem restaurant-supply company yesterday afternoon, pulled a gun on him and demanded money.

"I was hoping I could have talked them out of it. I'm sorry they're dead but they didn't give me any other choice," Augusto said.

After the Westchester Co. resident made it clear there was no money in the Kaplan Bros. Blue Flame Corp. store— they hadn't even had any customers in the store that day — the bandits turned their attention to his 33-year-old assistant, JB, and starting pistol-whipping him and demanding money.

That prompted Augusto to pull the 12-gauge, pump-action shotgun and fire three times, cops said. The blasts struck all four men, two of them in the back.

One of the perps, James Morgan, 29, fell in the doorway and died outside the building, with a gun near his body. Raylin Footman, 21, who had prior arrests for robbery and weapons charges, collapsed across the street, and later died at St. Luke's Hospital.

Two other suspects, Bernard Witherspoon, 21, and Shamel McCloud, 21, were caught a few blocks away.

Augusto said he told the thugs, "No one even came in here today. Take your gun, put it in your pocket and go home."

"I could see it in the guy's eyes that he wanted to go home. I just had a feeling he wanted to forget about it. It's a damn shame."

Augusto, who hasn't been charged in the shootings, retold the harrowing tale this morning.

"I was sitting at the desk there. (Feet up) And there was a ruckus up front. There were men upfront. And a guy standing with a pistol pointed at me screaming 'where's the money?, where's the money?' I told him there was no money. I told him to put away the gun. This doesn't make sense. Put down the gun there's no money. Go home and we'll forget about it'

The gunman instead left Augusto to help the other thugs beat up JB, who has worked for Augusto for 19 years. They demanded the money from his pockets as they beat him with the gun.

"You lost your life for $4.35 cents. That's all I had on me. There was no money here," JB, who was shot in the face 16 years ago, said.

Left alone in the back of the store, Augusto went for his gun, which had been hidden for 20 years.

"I didn't have it in my hand. I wasn't even going to go looking for it. I had to wait till they moved. That's when they made a mistake. They got out of my sight and that's when I could grab the gun. Some kids are dead because of it."

This morning, JB said, "How you gonna talk down a guy with a gun in my face. I hit him. That's all I had on me. I stuck up for my life. To make sure this wasn't going to happen to me. I have a 13-year-old."

Augusto said, "What's the worst they could do, shoot me? I guess so. I'm not going to lay down and die. I'm just not going to. It wasn't my choice. It was their choice."

"I did what I had to do. I didn't want to. I'm sad that there're mothers and fathers who lost a son today."






I love happy endings. Sucks for the dead robbers. Wish they would have survived.
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Quite a remarkable story, I have to say I love it when Robbers get what's coming to them. You slave your whole life and then some punks run in you're store or house and basically take all the shit you've worked hard for away. Nothing's free, they wanted money quick and they payed for it.
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And cue to pacifist members who are going to jump in the thread and moan.
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Dumbshits got what they deserved, honestly. If they wanted cash so bad there's other ways to rob, but thats what happens when you never think things through.
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Yeah, i'm sure the ghetto is full of organised criminals. I'm sure that in fantasyland people in ghettos plan thigs, rather than steal to be able to eat.

They stole, and beat a man. Shouldn't have done it, but they shouldn't have been put in the situation that they were in. This guy who killed them can see that, I don't see why you can't. Their death will have split families apart. They aren't heartless monsters with no affect on the world. What about these kid's brothers? Ever think about them? They've lost a brother now, they're not going to be thinking 'my brother was a dummbshit, he should have stolen from somewhere else'. You don't call politicians dumbshits, yet they steal much more, and kill many innocents in the process.
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What about the store owner's brother and sister and kids, Tony?
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I don't see what you mean. The store owner is fine. I'm not saying that the store owner was completely unjustified in what he did he even tried to persuade the thieves to leave. My point is that it's annoying when people are acting like they're unfeeling monsters, when they were trying to live.
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Aug 15 2009, 09:41:32 AM
I don't see what you mean. The store owner is fine. I'm not saying that the store owner was completely unjustified in what he did he even tried to persuade the thieves to leave. My point is that it's annoying when people are acting like they're unfeeling monsters, when they were trying to live.
What makes you so sure that they were trying to live, rather than buy a new TV or something?

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In Harlem? Really, you're asking that question when they're in Harlem? If they wanted a T.V., they would have stolen a damn T.V., not bought one.
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Stealing a TV is harder than stealing money.

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Oh yeah I forgot, these are intelligent thieves who think logically about stealing. Regardless, if htey wanted a T.V. they'd steal a T.V. When you steal something you can get whatever you want. When you rob a store in harlem, you're lucky if you get a few hundred dollars.
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usually crooks do not try to tie down the hands of their victims like that unless they are in a high risk robbery.

When they do that....they are looking to kill.


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Not really. When they tie hte hands of a person down they're trying to make sure the dude doesn't get up and hit them when they're running out the door. If you're going to kill someone when you have a gun, you don't waste time tying their hands and pistol whipping them.

Well, they'd have to be very weird killers to do that.

Anyway, where does it say they were tying his hands down. All I read is they were shaking down the assistant for money.

It really doesn't look like they were going to kill anyone. Sure, they may have killed him if something went wrong as they had guns, but they weren't actively going in for the kill.
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You don't know if they wouldn't have shoot, maybe one of them had a screw loose and decides too shoot better the idiots die then the victims.
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You cannot argue they were merciless killers all the same as you can't argue they were starving kids trying to feed themselves, we don't know and cannot state anything like that as fact in an argument. Fact of the matter is they attempted robbery and the store owner was within his rights and within the law in America to do what he did, and he did so.


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Just for the record, if it were me in that position, I'd have done the same.
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Aug 15 2009, 09:26:39 AM
They stole, and beat a man. Shouldn't have done it, but they shouldn't have been put in the situation that they were in. This guy who killed them can see that, I don't see why you can't. Their death will have split families apart. They aren't heartless monsters with no affect on the world. What about these kid's brothers? Ever think about them? They've lost a brother now, they're not going to be thinking 'my brother was a dummbshit, he should have stolen from somewhere else'. You don't call politicians dumbshits, yet they steal much more, and kill many innocents in the process.
They chose to go and steal, it's their own fucking fault. Play with fire and you will get burned.

Oh, and yes, lots of people call politicians dumbshits. Where have you been living? It's always all over the news and in the newspapers about them conniving or killing. Don't you remember all the shit about Bush?

I swear you just argue because everyone else is agreeing. For once stop arguing..
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Personally, I think he handled it very well. He tried to get them leave in a non-violent manner, and when things escalated, he did what was necisary. Now yes, 2 people are dead but they are not innocent and far as I'm concerned, their deaths are justafied.
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You cannot argue they were merciless killers all the same as you can't argue they were starving kids trying to feed themselves, we don't know and cannot state anything like that as fact in an argument. Fact of the matter is they attempted robbery and the store owner was within his rights and within the law in America to do what he did, and he did so.
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I swear you just argue because everyone else is agreeing


Yes I constantly see everyone agreeing with me. In fact, my opinions are always taken as truth. I've turned everybody into hardcore communists. Even Jiro is now a libetarian poster boy. Don't ever tell me I say stuff just because people agree with it, mkay?

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I'd like a subscripiton to whatever you're reading, becuase I've faied to find one mainstream paper where politicians are EVER EVER called murderers.

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Oh that makes it better. Your average person finally notices something when it smashes them in the face. How great. Nobody is calling Obama a murderer.

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No, it's god damn harlem. The dude said that he could 'see it in his eyes' that the thief wanted to go home. Merciless killers don't want to go home. Merciless killers don't travel in groups of four.

Look, I don't know why you of all people harbour some kind of personal resentment towards me. If your mother was unhappy that I didn't call her back, i'll send some flowers. Stop being a sarcastic arse to me.
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