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Evil big boss, please
Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 01:53:23 AM (5,630 Views)
Sgt_Angel101
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i think almost everyone wants bb to become an evil sob. so lets hope that is kojima's surprise?
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I doubt it. I think the surprise is going to be the definitive reason that he becomes what he becomes, but we wont see an evil Big Boss until we get a remake of MG/2, or another game set during that period but without Big Boss as the player character. But I do think we're going to see him do some pretty questionable and immoral things, or influencing others to do them for him. For example I fully expect Big Boss or Ocelot acting on Big Boss' orders killing Paz at the end of the game, someone so dedicated to 'peace' is going to be a big thorn in his side and I'm thinking he will want her eliminated. But I personally don't consider that an evil act, he's a soldier, killing is what soldiers do. Immoral? Certainly, but not an evil act.

Plus I've already got it in for Paz, she's already annoying me on a Little John/Sunny scale and I haven't even heard her English voice actress yet. She's just too full on with the peace bollocks.
Edited by Helikaon, Sep 29 2009, 08:11:19 AM.
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Paz: Hey, my friend was kidnapped and my parents were killed. I'm a bastard and I love peace. My name means Peace. Peace loves Peace. Can I have some peace? Snake, will you make the world peaceful? Peace, Peace, I WANT YOU MORE!
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I want to see him become the evil bastard we saw in the old games, yes. very much so. kind of like how anakin goes darth vader in epIII. only better. of course you could argue "what is evil, really?" but dont we all want to see Big Boss become, well, Big Boss? we sure do!
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You guys have to remember maybe Big Boss really isn't all that evil. Similar to times of war we make the enemy look like savages who don't give a fuck about the human race or rules through propaganda. This is hardly ever true as they more or less think just like us. I think for the msot part we wont see it as evil but more so he made the right decisions given his situations.
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I agree Sad. I don't think too much canon can be placed on the original Metal Gear games. We will see BB make the decisions leading up to those events, and completely losing faith in Nationalism. But becoming psycotic and evil? I somehow doubt that. What we need is remakes of the original Metal Gears, because to be honest, BBs sanity actually NEEDS to be RETCONNED in those games.
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how can sending kids to war be a right decision...? seriously though, I dont think his actions are justified just because it was later retconned that he was doing all that just to fight Zero.
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I disagree with sad.

Big Boss turned from a guy who was fighting for his country, and what he thought was world peace, and to stop nuclear weapons, (and later fighting for the freedom of soldiers) into a mass killer who was willing to blow the world up with the same nukes he was earlier fighting to stop. Honestly, I say that even with the retcons, Big Boss still became an evil person. At least by the time of MG and MG:2
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Niether do I rain, I just don't think he is ever going to be portrayed in same way he was in the original MGs.

I don't completely agree with Sad, BB did some terrible stuff, but don't expect him to be Portrayed like he was in MG 1 & 2.






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i dont believe Big Boss will be portrayed as evil lunatic, they will give some serious reasons he wanted to do these things.
wanted to fight for freedom instead for a country that betrayed him and used his as a puppet(for me this seems logical)
Also in mgs games it is said that ppl that grow up in war cannot live outside war, war is the only place they feel alive, and that that this cannot stop until u die. Big Boss maybe wanted continious war so soldiers who are made for war have a place to live(i dont expect Big Boss to suicide cuz he cant live a normal life) and dont just become pawns for the profits of some ppl in high places that their sides changes every 2 seconds
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Two words for anyone claiming Big Boss wont either be: Insane or just a complete asshole: Metal Gear.

Big Boss was willing (far more willing than any other person after him [except maybe Liquid], he wasn't doing it to free anyone, he was doing it solely for his own goals) to kill possibly billions of people using Metal Gear. He tried to do it twice. If they retcon that out of existence by just saying "He wanted to kill Zero" then the entire point of Solid Snake's mission is undermined in MG/MG2, if Big Boss was never going to use them (which he was, it's only because Snake got in his way that he didn't) then both he and Snake's characters are undermined.

If Big Boss wanted to kill Zero then he had far more efficient and better methods than a walking battle-tank. Thus Big Boss had completely snapped by MG/MG2 resulting in him forgetting that he was a tactical genius.
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Sep 30 2009, 02:01:50 PM
Niether do I rain, I just don't think he is ever going to be portrayed in same way he was in the original MGs.

I don't completely agree with Sad, BB did some terrible stuff, but don't expect him to be Portrayed like he was in MG 1 & 2.






of course not, MG and MG2 is still years away. but I hope we get to see at least glimpes of his corruption leading to him becoming the Big Boss from MG/MG2. in other words, I hope they wont go with something like "ah well, if you look at it from his perspective after all these things (peace walker) happened, you will see that he wasnt really evil". or something along those lines. I want to see Big Boss versus Zero where they both get closer and closer to being villains, yknow, evil versus evil and that sort of stuff. that could make a very good game. =)
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Of course BB is going to go nuts. He was pissed the fuck off from the time he killed the Boss till he made peace with her in the Epilogue of 4. He was still an ok guy in Portable Ops but 10 years after the fact, dealing with constant guilt and anger, plus with Zero and the newly formed Patriots possibly being the new focus of that rage (Responbible for the US incading Coasta Rica? I forget when exactly the schism happened but it had to be around then cuz of Les Enfants Terribles), something in his mind could snap.
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You guys are talking within Peace Walker right?
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Im sure hideo, during the creation of MGS3 Kojima smoked a spliff wanted to replay MG1 and went "畜生! 最高責任者は邪悪だったか? " (Oh shit! Big Boss was evil?) and pulled out his big "1001 retcons and plot hole fillers" book.

Imo Big boss isn't evil, I don't consider MG1 and 2 to be important enough to be considered part of the mgs franchise and kindly forget I ever played them.
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Oh sure. I mean MG2 is only MGS1 with Big Boss instead of Liquid, it's only the reason Solid Snake acts the way he does, why Liquid is motivated and Grey Fox actually has a character in that game. MG1 is only the first stealth orientated action game ever.

Not important at all.
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No offense, but I don't know what peace is. Never felt what it's like.
Maan Heli those games are so ooold, no one cares what happened in them.
(ps. did you hear that kojima maybe wants someone to remake metal gear?? metal gear on ps3 would be awsum!)
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Maan Heli those games are so ooold, no one cares what happened in them.
(ps. did you hear that kojima maybe wants someone to remake metal gear?? metal gear on ps3 would be awsum!)
do you even realize how important those 2 games are,we wouldn't have any metal gear at all if it weren't for those 2 games
they basically set the plot for every metal gear game that was released after them

"no one cares?"
i honestly don't even know how to reply to that..
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No offense, but I don't know what peace is. Never felt what it's like.
(pssst- read the last couple posts. Then read them again.)
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Oct 1 2009, 01:03:48 AM
Oh sure. I mean MG2 is only MGS1 with Big Boss instead of Liquid, it's only the reason Solid Snake acts the way he does, why Liquid is motivated and Grey Fox actually has a character in that game. MG1 is only the first stealth orientated action game ever.

Not important at all.
I just find that those games have to short a story to pitch into the plot, Im sure kojima didnt plan out mgs when he started mg1 or 2
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