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Evil big boss, please
Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 01:53:23 AM (5,637 Views)
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Something I totally want to see is Big Boss turning into the Big Boss everyone admires nad follows, the man who was admired by even Ocelot, the man who almost everyone who fought against him ended up joining him and fighting for him and his cause, like Schneider or Fox (and Ocelot eventually). It has to be an incredible character, everyone who knows him admires him, even Zero. The only one who had the guts to stop him and fight for what was good and not what he wanted, was Snake. We know Snake understands Big Boss' point of view, we know they share a lot of feelings, but Snake's perception of what's good and wrong is way better than Big Boss' I think. He's the only one who could stop Big Boss, but we know Snake never suffered more when he fought agaisnt someoen than when he defeated Big Boss. So Big Boss HAS to be an incredible character for all this awesome characters like fox, Ocelot, and even Snake himself share so much about him and even some admire him like that. What I expect to see from Big Boss? A born leader, in every single way, he has to be a leader, and a sense of authority must be felt when he's around. That's the feeling Big Boss has to give in the game or by the end of the game. I do think the game has to be a little long so we can see character develompent like that.
It's what we know but we've never seen, Big Boss being the Big Boss we hear of in MGS1,2 and 4. God forbid Kojima screw up his character, or that'd be way too much.
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I think for the msot part we wont see it as evil but more so he made the right decisions given his situations.
Not the same.

Remember that battlefield - where you essentially fight for survival, acting on basic instinct ("kill or be killed") - does not equal calculative, considered violence someone orchestrates outside of it.
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this has to be really long and show alot of character development, because all weve seen from big boss/naked snake is a really hesitant almost unsure of himself soldier. to see him turn into a bastard straight up, we havent seen even an inkling of that. theres been no foreshadowing of BB having a dark side, which is why i think it will be changed to him being misunderstood instead of full on bastard
It doesn't HAVE to be mega-long, because that's where MG1 and 2, MGS3 and MGS4 have filled in the gaps before and after. We know what brought him there (ultimately, loss of self over The Boss' demise) and what he turned into (MG1 and 2) and what he ended up like (MGS4), so the only thing we need to see is that one moment where all of this comes together. I can't wait, personally, because this moment, for many long-time fans of MG, is the Darth Vader-origins-type revelation equivalent. The "unsure-of-himself" attitude IS a foreshadowing of future events, though. While I agree he hasn't been completely painted as a soon-to-be-bastard in MGS3, he doesn't need to be, because what classic villains are ever "born evil". There's always something that switches them over, and this is going to be ever-apparent with PW. Anakin Skywalker was the nicest of lads with the nicest of intentions, ambitions and aims for the world and it's people... who later turned into a slaughterer of entire races and species in some cases, compassion well and truly devoid, so think about this. But as I say, we're not sure until it is released, but I get where you're coming from completely. It would not surprise me if Hideo takes this route, but I'm genuinely expecting and hoping that he doesn't, just to hold on to some shred of dignity.
Let's keep in mind, however, that the Star Wars prequels sucked. :unsure:
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this has to be really long and show alot of character development, because all weve seen from big boss/naked snake is a really hesitant almost unsure of himself soldier. to see him turn into a bastard straight up, we havent seen even an inkling of that. theres been no foreshadowing of BB having a dark side, which is why i think it will be changed to him being misunderstood instead of full on bastard
It doesn't HAVE to be mega-long, because that's where MG1 and 2, MGS3 and MGS4 have filled in the gaps before and after. We know what brought him there (ultimately, loss of self over The Boss' demise) and what he turned into (MG1 and 2) and what he ended up like (MGS4), so the only thing we need to see is that one moment where all of this comes together. I can't wait, personally, because this moment, for many long-time fans of MG, is the Darth Vader-origins-type revelation equivalent. The "unsure-of-himself" attitude IS a foreshadowing of future events, though. While I agree he hasn't been completely painted as a soon-to-be-bastard in MGS3, he doesn't need to be, because what classic villains are ever "born evil". There's always something that switches them over, and this is going to be ever-apparent with PW. Anakin Skywalker was the nicest of lads with the nicest of intentions, ambitions and aims for the world and it's people... who later turned into a slaughterer of entire races and species in some cases, compassion well and truly devoid, so think about this. But as I say, we're not sure until it is released, but I get where you're coming from completely. It would not surprise me if Hideo takes this route, but I'm genuinely expecting and hoping that he doesn't, just to hold on to some shred of dignity.
there has been no foreshadowing of it though. all weve seen is snake afraid for people to call him big boss and the "idk if i can trust anyone" line from MGS3. he was supposed to go bad because of finding out about the boss getting played...well hes just been numb. no rage, no nothing. not a little outburst where people stop and go "woah youre kinda scaring me there d00d"

and dont use anakin skywalker as an example, the star wars method is the right way how NOT to do it...wait til the 3rd movie to rush everything in.
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Perhaps that is why Peace Walker will be "the longest game in the series"?
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Well, let's hope so, I also hope it's going to be a long game just for the fact that most games are over in a week for me once I buy them (especially when they're so great- Uncharted 2- but end too soon). I'm about to get involved in FF13 now after getting past the initial fear I had of buying it, so let's see if that lasts long enough as the hype suggests!

@NickRocks and John: Yeah, I also hope it isn't done in the same way as Star Wars, but what I commented on more was the moment's importance for us (the fans of the series), and how everything has been built for us already, plot-wise. I wasn't totally against the prequels of Star Wars (off-topic, let's not debate about that here), but I understand what you both mean.

"well hes just been numb. no rage, no nothing. not a little outburst where people stop and go "woah youre kinda scaring me there d00d" That's what I meant by this IS his foreshadowing, if you get what I mean. But like I said, I was agreeing that hopefully this isn't fucked up in PW and Hideo does it right!

"and dont use anakin skywalker as an example, the star wars method is the right way how NOT to do it...wait til the 3rd movie to rush everything in." Unfortunately, that's why I referred it to Star Wars, because we HAVE, up until now, been given no ABSOLUTE reason for his fuck-up in regards to him voicing it so explicitly as you seem to refer to, so we will HAVE to wait until it's all crammed into PW to find out anyway. So what I mean is, unless the game is "the longest in the series" like John just said, we will have to depend on one moment that defines his future despicable actions. Sorry if this is making no sense so far, but I hope you can follow what I'm getting at.
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Actually we've been given plenty of reasons for Big Boss' switch of loyalty to himself and his ideals. Kojima just can't help trying to one up himself.

Or he's just really indecisive. Which he isn't.
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(Sorry, accidentally double-posted, not sure how! Please delete or ignore. Sorry).
Edited by The_GhosT, Mar 16 2010, 12:41:46 AM.
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“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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^^^Yeah, I considered everything we've been given already enough to use as "foreshadowing", which is why I had to slightly edit my last post a bit, in light of thinking over your comment, Heli. My opinion didn't really make absolute sense in the way I was wording it, you helped clear it up a bit, but I believe we're on roughly the same level on this topic! Thanks!


See? We change and learn at any given second, so let this be testimony of how sudden Big Boss' switch in his head is flipped in PW! :D
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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My guess?
Someone kills Paz, who Big Boss has grown a strong relationship towards (not a sexual one. She's around 16 ffs). Since Paz represents Peace, and with Peace gone, Big Boss' only alternative is war, and thus becomes the evil asshole we know and love in Metal Gear 1 and 2.

And the best prequel ending ever?
A flash forward to years after Peace Walker. Big Boss, speaking into a radio, says "Snake, this is Big Boss... Operation Intrude N313. Infiltrate the enemy base, Outer Heaven, and destroy the final weapon...:dramatic pause:... Metal Gear." The Peace Walker logo flashes on the screen, white text against a black background. Epic music booms into the player's ear. Roll the credits.

It's probably not going to happen, since Konami wants more Big Boss games, but I can dream, can't I?
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^^^ It's beyond a dream... that was epic, John.

Now I'm pissed, cos' if the ending is anything other than what you just said, it's gonna be poop.

:glare:

Seriously, please write to Kojima. But seriously, Hideo wont have to worry about there being no more Big Boss games because once we hear those words you just quoted, there'll be two sequels on the way for him to keep up his Big Boss obsession with, along with more Solid Snake just to make it even more of a piss-take to the "milking of the series"! But seriously, if those words are uttered at the end...

ULTIMATE CUMMAGE.
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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I'm pissed too!

God, is it May 25th yet? I can't stand all of this pre-release hype and speculation!
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Actually we've been given plenty of reasons for Big Boss' switch of loyalty to himself and his ideals. Kojima just can't help trying to one up himself.

Or he's just really indecisive. Which he isn't.
yes, i agree, weve been given reasons as to WHY big boss should be pissed and angry and turning evil, but is he? NOPE. they still have him being reluctant and heroic at the same time. like i said, not even a hint of evil in this guy, his soul is so white and pure i could wipe my ass with it and it wouldnt get stained.
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I don't think so, my gay new waiting-to-get-the-money-for-a-Vivaz-Samsung hasn't really been up to telling me the time since I had to take the date off the home screen to save SOME battery, since the thing dies after nearly a day! But from what I can gather *looks at stars, points finger upwards for wind direction, listens to the ground and rocks*... it's not yet May!

@NickRocks: LOL at the "wipe my arse" thing, that was jokes. Well, that's why we've been given PW! Like I said, similar to the way Star Wars gave us a lovely little kid who we thought had nothing wrong with him, and then we found out he was a cunt, that's what PW is gonna give us! We'll just have to wait and see!
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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And fuck, it's been pushed back until early June. Damn it Kojima Pro! You and your pre-release hype!

I swear, if Big Boss doesn't snap by the end...!
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'Fuck's sake! That is one annoying bitch! But at least it gives me time to save up (steal) Remember what I said... if it doesn't happen the way you said it would...

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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Looks like it'll be released 9 days after the US' release. To think I was impressed that the NA/EU for the original dates were so close to each other. Now, fuck.

Plus, that means 9 days of lonely times in my Love Box, waiting for that special someone to help me get on the damn roof at the end of level 2!
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It's cool, man, honestly. I'll be there. When it comes to MGS, there's no limits to the things we're gonna be doing, you better get that straight. But I'm just pissed I don't have a fucking clue what any of these things do or what bit on the game you're on about eg. Love Box, Roof, etc. Since I can't play the demo, I'm leaving everything to come to me when I play the game and just find out then, so when the game first starts, I'm probably gonna be quite pony, bear that in mind!
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I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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All right guys I'm not trying to break the streak but you all are puting way to much time on this. Big boss simply cracked that's all. Look at what he's been through it's not unnatural that he'd crack and turn insane and want revenge on the world.
. He had to kill his mentor and he went through he'll following a script written by his own country.then look at him in PO when Jonathan dies he lost it because a man who believed in hi
died for him. So it's not that unbeleivable that h
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Nothing a simple recton can't "fix."
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Wouldn't be the first portable game to make a ridiculous recton. ;)
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