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| The_GhosT | Apr 7 2010, 01:26:33 AM Post #81 |
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Thank you, let's all go back to arguing about Big Boss' "eveeeelness"! That means you as well, John!
Edited by The_GhosT, Apr 7 2010, 01:31:31 AM.
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Weedle_McHairybug | Apr 7 2010, 01:27:59 AM Post #82 |
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In case you didn't see my edit, I kinda already made an on-topic addition to the post about Big Boss becoming evil. However, I'll add it in here, just so it can be seen officially. Well, to get the thread back on topic, Big Boss is probably going to turn into a jerk, IF indeed he is going to become a villain (although the E3 trailer does imply otherwise.). I do, however, doubt that Big Boss kills Paz. I know at the ending of the trailer that Big Boss mentions to someone that "Revolution or no revolution, as soon as you pick up a gun, sooner or later you're going to hell. You prepared for that?" with the other person saying "I am. If the alternative is to give up the country I love, I'll take hell." To which Big Boss then says "Welcome... to Outer Heaven!" I'm guessing that woman is either Paz or Amanda. That's also assuming that, as you guys seem to think, Big Boss is indeed going to turn evil by killing Paz. Yes, Paz stated she has a hatred of war like no other, but she also wanted to get the armed forces out of her homeland Costa Rica. The line that this person stated also mentioned she'd rather take hell than give up on the country that [she] loved, which implies that she's joining Outer Heaven to save Costa Rica. This may be Paz or Amanda, however. Edited by Weedle_McHairybug, Apr 7 2010, 01:32:34 AM.
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 01:33:33 AM Post #83 |
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Alright! That sounds more like it. Only a mad man obsessed with war can bring down someone who is obsessed with peace to his level. Edit: And if I could go off-topic abit again, if you read the article again, it says that Portable Ops also contradicts real life facts about the wars/groups Gray Fox was apart of, assuming we're following both Metal Gear 2 and MPO's backstories. And don't give me that bullshit about the game's being a work of fiction. The story is still based around real world events. Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 7 2010, 01:37:39 AM.
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| Weedle_McHairybug | Apr 7 2010, 01:37:45 AM Post #84 |
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I really wouldn't call Big Boss a "madman" considering how he wouldn't have been able to lead an army or even be a pretty popular head of state in Zanzibar Land if he were a madman. Being an effective Military Leader/strategist and an effective head of state does require quite a bit of sanity and psychological balance. If Big Boss were a madman, I doubt he'd have as much support as Metal Gear 2 implies. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 7 2010, 01:38:37 AM Post #85 |
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This is the very reason I want Paz dead. Her character being so contrasted to everyone else's in regards to her "peace-loving" has to come into effect somehow in a way that's going to shock the audience, because, war, as we all know, is inevitably the outcome of the post-PW MG world we've seen, thanks to Big Boss' exploits. So I wanna see something that is totally out-of-character (that is, to the romanticised Snake Eater character that has been developed for BB so far), and that WILL, as John, said, be enough for this old fan to think "Kojima still has it".
No, but Hitler led his army pretty damn well, as did Stalin, but Edited by The_GhosT, Apr 7 2010, 01:42:07 AM.
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![]() PUT YOUR FUCKING COCK IN-BETWEEN MY ARMPIT NOW SO I CAN MAKE A FART NOISE ON YOUR BELL-END.
"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 01:39:30 AM Post #86 |
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@Weedle_McHairybug: Oh, you know what I mean. He prefers war over sex! That's pretty "mad"! |
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| Weedle_McHairybug | Apr 7 2010, 01:42:04 AM Post #87 |
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Ok, although please tell me who you think the person is in the trailer who said "I am. If the alternative is giving up on the country I love, I'd take hell." In the TGS2009 trailer. I mean, I know that it is either Paz, Amanda, or Chico.
Would preferring sex over anything else be any different? I mean, I'd be mad if I acted like Charlie Harper towards every woman I saw, even though I'm heterosexual.
Actually, I have read articles from war magazines that suggested that during his late terms of office, Hitler was continuing to become more mentally unstable, and his staff began questioning his capability as a military leader, leading to some controversies such as retiring one of the more talented officers in the Nazi regime just because he was gay (I think it was "How a rabble-rouser like Hitler came to power", or something like that, the name of the article, I mean). I also watched a Discovery channel documentary about Stalin that implied that most of the army, if not the populace, did not exactly trust Stalin, and were constantly afraid of him. Edited by Weedle_McHairybug, Apr 7 2010, 01:49:26 AM.
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| The_GhosT | Apr 7 2010, 01:45:50 AM Post #88 |
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I'm not sure, mate, I can't remember. Could you post a link at all, please? I'm hoping it's gonna be Paz, that would set it up nicely for her to die. Though from the quote you provided, I'd rather wager that it is Paz. She seems the one to most fit that character role, what with all her "peace-loving". I would love to see it happen, but I'm doubtful as to Hideo being gutsy enough to consider killing off such an innocent child at the hands of his favourite MG character. That is why I will commend him further than I do if he does. it will fit in and work so well with what we have already. |
![]() PUT YOUR FUCKING COCK IN-BETWEEN MY ARMPIT NOW SO I CAN MAKE A FART NOISE ON YOUR BELL-END.
"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 01:51:10 AM Post #89 |
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:heh-heh: True. Well, I think I would prefer a hot chick lying next to me in my bed over, say, harsh battlefields and death surrounding me. But then again, I'm sane.
Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 7 2010, 01:51:42 AM.
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| Weedle_McHairybug | Apr 7 2010, 01:53:06 AM Post #90 |
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Sure thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4N2dpef4kU More specifically, it's at 8:53 to 9:08 that the quote in question happens. |
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| MetalGearSasaki | Apr 7 2010, 01:55:07 AM Post #91 |
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Guys im just gonna say this. Big Boss isnt bad. He isnt evil. He was simply making bold moves that broad people would see as evil. He has good intentions but after all the bad crap that hit him he probably didnt care at all. He was just like all right im pissed off so im gonna build a new metal gear that will be better than the Shagohad and the ICBMG (intercontinental ballistic metal gear). Zero: I where snake is Big Boss: right up ur ass (launches TX 55) |
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 01:59:00 AM Post #92 |
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Hence why I want him to "go mad." He's become so caught up in his beliefs that he actually thinks what he's doing is for the greater good. Having good intentions does not make you a good person. Hitler had good intentions. He wanted to bring Germany back up from the gutters after World War I. Obviously, Hitler is not a good guy. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 7 2010, 02:07:44 AM Post #93 |
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. Yeah, it definately doesn't sound like Paz to me (based on what I've heard from that Paz trailer and also based on the fact the voice doesn't really sound as young as 16. I would say that's almost definately Amanda, as the character in question sounds as if she's joining up with him. I mistook what you quoted before for sounding like he was about to kill someone and they were displaying their resistance to him. Here, it sounds like they're willing to succumb to his own will. This doesn't sound like something Paz would do. Big Boss' voice also doesn't seem to carry the angst that would probably be existent when you're about to kill someone. But I'll tell you what DOES sound more promising... Someone, not of Big Boss' voice, saying: "Come to your senses, man! The fate of the world... the fate of Earth is at stake here!". That makes me feel quite happy downstairs. He may yet be turned into a cunt. And John, you're right there, mate. I quote myself from an earlier post:
Edited by The_GhosT, Apr 7 2010, 02:09:13 AM.
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![]() PUT YOUR FUCKING COCK IN-BETWEEN MY ARMPIT NOW SO I CAN MAKE A FART NOISE ON YOUR BELL-END.
"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| hukibeast | Apr 7 2010, 03:38:52 AM Post #94 |
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Again. He went from crazy psychopath to remorseful during comatose. Big Boss's turning was supposed to happen due to the Boss's death right? But, no. Years after that event at the beginning of Peace Walker he's still all good-guy-mercenary. We've played 2 games with him in them, and nothing has changed. We've even played the beginning of the 3rd and nothing has changed. He's been a good guy in every game since MGS3. In MGS3 he's a good guy rookie. In MGS:PO he's a patriotic soldier who just wants to find the truth. In MGS:PW (it seems) he wants to make his way in the world as a benevolent mercenary. In MGS4 he's a remorseful guy who was once evil but now knows the evil of his ways. The fact that Kojima has been putting off bad Big Boss' appearance ever since MG2. He has very little respect for the canon of the original two and we're only a retcon away from my doomsday prophecy... |
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| freddiegibbs | Apr 7 2010, 12:12:59 PM Post #95 |
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In essence: Good Intentions + Bad Methods + Messed up Motive = Big Boss |
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 12:49:56 PM Post #96 |
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What? I do not remember Big Boss sucking off the American flag at all in MPO, unlike the beginning of MGS3. It's called "character development." We don't know much about Big Boss in Peace Walker... period. What's wrong with Big Boss seeing his evil ways at the end of MGS4? It actually supports my claim that Big Boss will snap! Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 7 2010, 12:50:15 PM.
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| Weedle_McHairybug | Apr 7 2010, 12:53:06 PM Post #97 |
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I think Hukibeast was referring to the fact that Big Boss was horrified that Gene was planning to launch a nuclear strike against America when he mentioned that Big Boss was patriotic. |
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 12:55:34 PM Post #98 |
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Oooor... he's horrified that Gene was planning to launch a nuclear strike, period... |
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 7 2010, 11:22:51 PM Post #99 |
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Also, I find it funny how you're such a stuck up for official canon, yet you disregard the Database in order to support your argument. |
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| Weedle_McHairybug | Apr 8 2010, 12:11:24 AM Post #100 |
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Look, if the Database did not make those countless errors, I WOULD count it as canon. For an example of a very large error, the Database claimed in Raiden's article that Solidus was the one who erased Raiden's memories, despite the fact that, not only was it heavily implied that the Patriots were heavily responsible for removing Raiden's memories, but Solidus was extremely unhappy that Raiden's memories were lost and was apparently a Patriots puppet. That in itself was a very big mistake, and similar errors within that database makes the entire database questionable in terms of sourcing, and ultimately no different than the Official Missions Handbook or Snake's Revenge, even IF it was officially created by Kojima productions. Edited by Weedle_McHairybug, Apr 8 2010, 12:11:46 AM.
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