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Evil big boss, please
Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 01:53:23 AM (5,634 Views)
JohnKiller118
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Hey, it's officially canon. If you're going to be so uptight about sticking with what is officially canon, then you must accept everything that is in the Database as canon.

Me? I deleted the Database as soon as I read something along the lines of "Liquid Ocelot wasn't really Liquid." That would ruin half of Metal Gear Solid 4's plot for me!
Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 8 2010, 03:13:15 AM.
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So, you expect me to try and just believe unquestionably absolutely everything they say even when they contradict one another, like Ned Flanders does with the Bible, and in essence commit dogma? Because that's exactly what you are implying.

I may believe in official canon, but that doesn't mean I have to resort to dogma. And JohnKiller118, I doubt that it is officially canon if the database spends most of its time making mistakes such as "Solidus erased Raiden's memories." In fact, I'm not even sure if the people who made the database even played the Metal Gear Games.

Besides, if we have to count that as canon, then we might as well count the AC!D games, Ghost Babel, and possibly Mobile as canon just because they were made by the same creators, and we definitely shouldn't say they are canon.

See how arguing that the Database is canon is going to be contradictory. In order for you to use your definition, you also have to count those as canon, and I'm pretty sure you don't count them as that, thus technically making you a hypocrite.
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JohnKiller118
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Hey, I never said I think of the Database as canon. I'm just saying it's officially canon.

If anything, YOU'RE the hypocrite for getting on me for not thinking MPO is canon, yet you don't consider the database canon.
Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 8 2010, 05:28:20 AM.
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JohnKiller118
Apr 8 2010, 05:26:45 AM
Hey, I never said I think of the Database as canon. I'm just saying it's officially canon.

If anything, YOU'RE the hypocrite for getting on me for not thinking MPO is canon, yet you don't consider the database canon.
Half of that Database's contradictions were not mentioned in Metal Gear Solid 4, and the only thing suggesting it to be canon is the fact that Kojima Productions were the ones who made it, which even that is not quite enough.

Portable Ops at least was mentioned in the official Peace Walker website, an article for MGS4's development, as well as within MGS4 to a certain extent [some of the flashback images during certain scenes, as well as images from games that appear within Liquid Ocelot's explaination of the history of the Patriots and the Philosophers prior to the final battle had cutscenes from Portable Ops, and EVA's explaination of the Patriots' formation had a direct reference to Portable Ops in there [she mentioned that Major Zero had originated the Patriots with Ocelot, when the only game to even imply this was Portable Ops. In fact, Metal Gear Solid 3's ending suggested that Ocelot and the DCI were the ones who formed the Patriots, which would make EVA's statement nonsensical if it was actually Zero who formed it.].].

The Database, on the other hand, made several errors that couldn't make it canon even IF I tried to make some sense out of them, and several of these things weren't suggested within Metal Gear Solid 4

Maybe some of the stuff within Metal Gear Solid 4 could be considered canon, and MAYBE the Operation Snake Eater article [seeing how the DCI had the legacy, given his conversation with Ocelot and Ocelots comments, and apparently he seemed to have them himself even though it was implied that the Legacy was supposed to go to the government.], but the rest? no, definitely not. Solidus was stated to have died in the database, even though it was implied in game with
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Let's not forget the statement that Raiden's memories were erased by Solidus, despite countless evidence to the contrary. They also neglected to mention Python and Raikov's fates, thus keeping the debates at a standstill. We also have the railgun controversy with Crying Wolf (How the heck can she use the railgun that supposedly was the same one as Fortune's if Fortune's railgun was heavily implied to be far too dangerous to be used by anyone else due to its high recoil rate, especially seeing how the article's wording made it seem as though it was the exact same railgun and not a modified version. Even the statement made by Otacon only implied it was only of the same model and not necessarily the exact same weapon.). It also suggested that Big Boss did indeed get Snatcher parts, even though it wasn't supposed to be canon in the first place (First off, Big Boss still used his eyepatch. If it was a snatcher eye like Kasler's statement suggests, I'm pretty sure that he would ditch the eyepatch. That is also not taking into account that even in the first Metal Gear, Big Boss did have an eyepatch on his right eye.).

So, really, I'm not being a hypocrite, since I'm not just using official material to prove that MPO is canon, but also in-game evidence.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0rvEv-jRn8

8:45.

Hint hint.
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JohnKiller118
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Apr 8 2010, 06:02:25 PM
:cry: :bravo:
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Thank you BigK. I'm crying with joy right now.
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Hopefully he gets a little more mental.

Just a little. :D
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Damn right. Now at least people who think Kojima's lost it or thinks BB is going to be a complete hero can suck up to this. I think basically, we're seeing it from the perspective of the people BB influenced so heavily, as well as from BB's warped view of the world. This trailer, now with subtitles, is thankfully promising. This pretty much declares at the end... "I'm ready for war". But at the same time, it does make me hope that Kojima doesn't write it up as: "Big Boss developed Outer Heaven and threatened the world with nuclear war and attack in DEFENCE cos' really he was just a scared little Naked Snake, awww." or something gay like that. I hope it doesn't stick with Miller's way of thinking, that they need something to be on "equal footing", but either way, that really portrays BB's constant need for war. The Cold War is going to be over soon, as Miller explains, but Big Boss wants to make sure that it continues, so I suppose you could say he's already on that road to being a cunt. This is really fucking exciting man. Thanks, Big K. The last few lines of dialogue though... ahhh... it's all so fucking promising. "Nuclear...?". To me, this means Big Boss is interested in it for something other than "defense" and "equal footing". He wants dominance and power. The whole trailer is leading up to this with the speeches of "building an army". This doesn't sound like a hero's mission... this sounds (in an underlying way), more like the psychotic progression of a madman. See: Hitler and Stalin. "Power is good... build an army... become strong". Not Snake's: "Philanthropy is good" theme, and THIS is what seems apparent in PW. I was getting so tired of explaining to people that MGS3 WAS building this up all along with all the foreshadowing codec dialogue. This has got me so worked up, I now don't care that the characters are all related. If this gonna be the way I hope, I really do take my flatcap off to Kojima for his ability to still write such fantastic scripts and for his revamped efforts at sensible continuity. His final confession and redemption is in MGS4. Please don't make it all for nothing, Hideo. I'm trusting you so immensely now.
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I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Amen.

All we can do now is wank furiously until it is released. :(
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This guy did it the right way. And that's how I'll be going at it until June 18th.
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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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JohnKiller118
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^As an American citizen, I must ask... Who the fuck is that?!
JohnKiller118
Apr 8 2010, 06:13:17 PM
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Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 9 2010, 04:51:06 AM.
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Did you just reply to yourself in the third-person? :huh: :D :cool:

Yeah, that guy in the picture is a bloke called "Gaz" in a UK comedy who gets himself fat and then wanks off the fat furiously for a week.


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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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JohnKiller118
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:o :blink: :suicide:

And they say American humor is lowbrow! :pfft!:
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freddiegibbs


No one likes that show.
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JohnKiller118
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The_GhosT does, apparently...
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I just like that scene...

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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Apr 12 2010, 01:05:35 AM
I just like that scene...

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Admit... you lol'd when you watched it. You must have conformed to those internet jpegs and been like [something that looks like an unsure face] first, and then you [lol'd]...
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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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JohnKiller118
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Yes, I did lol. I admit it.

I LOL'D!
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Good, good! But what was you like at first?
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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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