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| My full explanation of Ocelot, The Patriots, and Everything; There be spoilers | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 7 2009, 01:06 AM (793 Views) | |
| Megarittz | Oct 7 2009, 01:06 AM Post #1 |
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This is a slightly edited version of a monstrous explanation of certain confusing aspects of the storyline (and the whole Patriot history) that I posted to another forum. You may know a lot of this already, but some of it covers details that I haven't seen people generally talking about, and which are commonly either misunderstood or not thought about. Details regarding the mechanics of the Xanatos gambits, and so forth. A lot of it is made up of unconfirmed theories, but after much analysis, I believe these theories, for the most part, hold up pretty well. I've labelled each game as a section, so skip around as needed. Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all, but I really do.  Okay, then...MGS3: Big Boss (Naked Snake) and Major Zero both admire The Boss. She appears to betray the US, and the situation is contrived to get her killed with Big Boss as the killer and Major Zero as the commander. Her final speech about the corrupt world moves them both. We later find out she didn't even seek to make her dream a reality—she sacrificed herself for the government. Meanwhile, Ocelot, unknowingly the biological son of The Boss, becomes quite unhealthily attached to Big Boss. He is secretly ADAM, raised as a spy for the CIA. He was supposed to meet Big Boss and help in his mission, but decided it would be more interesting to keep him as an enemy. He tries to kill Big Boss, but in time comes to admire him, and even idolize him. In addition, The Boss has made Ocelot and EVA promise not to kill Big Boss. He is secretly ADAM, raised as a spy for the CIA. “So why didn’t he show up and help Big Boss in the mission?” He was supposed to, but I believe he decided it would be more interesting to keep him as an enemy. “I’m confused—what’s up with the Philosophers’ Legacy? Didn’t EVA steal it from us?” It is never clarified, but I suspect Ocelot and The Boss were working together. They passed on a fake Legacy to EVA, who took it to China and fled after a failed mission. The CIA took Big Boss’ Legacy, which was the real one. Some people think EVA took it from Big Boss while he slept. But we briefly saw Big Boss get it out of his pocket, and EVA never knew he had it. It gets weirder—that was actually only half of the money—Khrushchev had the other half. Ocelot managed to steal it after Brezhnev’s uprising, as implied by the end of MPO. Portable Ops: (This part goes on a tangent, so you might want to skip to the bold questions, unless you’re confused about any of it.) Major Zero decides the country needs a better leadership, who will bring about the world envisioned by The Boss. She never tried to fulfill her own dream, so someone has to step in and do something about the world, right…? And so Zero somehow learns quite a few secrets and starts a pretty amazing scheme going. Quite an impressive feat, actually. Members of the CIA and Pentagon are secretly the ones who are really controlling the country, the Philosophers. The CIA director has a list of members. Major Zero knows of the ambitions of a member of his FOX unit named Gene. He also somehow finds out that Ocelot and Cunningham are spies for the CIA and Pentagon, respectively. He starts feeding information to Ocelot, and convinces him to help take over the country for The Boss. When Gene is given a mission by the CIA to take Metal Gear to the Russians, Zero makes his move. He uses Ocelot to encourage Gene to steal it and set up base on the San Hieronymo peninsula. Gene uses his charisma/mind control to win over his men, and tell them he’ll nuke Russia, but secretly plans to strike the Philosophers in America. The Russian half of the Philosophers’ Legacy has disappeared. Ocelot has stolen it, and convinced Cunningham that Big Boss did. Cunningham kidnaps him, and Zero meanwhile is arrested for starting the uprising (assumed innocent by the player—but he actually did it). Zero tricked and used Cunningham and the Pentagon to kidnap Big Boss, so there would be someone to stop Gene. “Now wait a minute, here! Why didn’t Zero just ask Big Boss to help him?” Well, I can only assume he didn’t want to risk Big Boss saying no. The CIA finds out about the nuke, and the Director goes into an underground base, in order to protect himself and the Philosophers’ Legacy, as well as the super-important list of members of the Philosophers…just as Zero and Ocelot planned. Ocelot kills him and takes the Legacy and list. Big Boss is influenced by Gene and his wishes for the futures of soldiers. Gene gives Big Boss a sum of money and equipment for later use in Outer Heaven. He reveals that The Boss was set up by someone in the government (the CIA Director), as an excuse to kill her in case she would ever betray them. “But wait!” you may be thinking, “I thought it was MAJOR ZERO, not the CIA director, who set up the Boss!” I see where you may have gotten that idea. It was assumed that the “Mystery Man” (The Man with the Same Codename as Null) who set up MPO’s events (later revealed as Major Zero) arranged for her death, but it is never said to be! In fact, Zero is said in MGS4 to have been inspired by her, and Big Mama says the CIA had The Boss killed. So then why didn’t Gene say who set up The Boss? I think it’s pretty obvious that Kojima intended to have Zero turn out to be the one who did it when he wrote MPO, but later decided against it with MGS4, conveniently falling back on the excuse that it was never clarified. With MGS4’s events in mind, it would be absurd to play up the portrayal of Zero as well-intentioned, and even have BB forgive him in the end, only to have it destroyed by a brief implication in an earlier, lesser known game, especially given this explanation! Okay, that's enough MPO. Moving on to what happens later… Post-MPO: Zero gets together with Ocelot and Big Boss, and they start the Patriots together. They use the list of Philosophers members, the true leaders of the country, and I assume they use their newly obtained 100 BILLION dollars to gradually get a pretty good amount of influence with them, eventually taking over the United States government. They also get Paramedic and Sigint on their side. Zero puts Paramedic to work on the genome project, eventually deciding to clone Big Boss when he starts slipping away. I suspect Sigint and ARPA, who created the predecessor to the Internet, were the main ones behind the creation of the AI’s that would later start running things. Big Boss goes to Hanoi and rescues EVA, and gets her to join the Patriots, too. She loves Big Boss and has also come to idolize The Boss and her ideals. As for Ocelot, he stays in Russia as a spy, refines his torturing skills, and pretends to be very loyal to Russia. He eventually meets Colonel Gurlukavich. As Zero becomes greedier and drifts away from The Boss’ ideas, Big Boss starts drifting away from him, as well. Zero thinks of Big Boss as a good friend, but cannot be entirely sure of his loyalty. He has him cloned, and intends to play up Big Boss’ role as a solider, as a legend, to have Big Boss be the Patriots’ mascot, basically. He also sorta wanted to reassure himself that BB was on his side, or something. Big Boss starts FOXHOUND. He retires for a period of time, and later goes back to it. Sometime in the late 1980’s (NOTE: Peace Walker seems to be retconning this to 1974!) Big Boss secretly starts Outer Heaven, using Gene’s money, and believing it is necessary to stop the Patriots and make his Heaven for born soldiers. Like Zero, he’s gotten The Boss’ ideas rather twisted up. EVA and Ocelot may have secretly supported him, but I’m not sure whether they knew what Big Boss was up to. They were, at any rate, drifting away from Zero, Paramedic, and Sigint. Big Boss tells Liquid about the cloning project, and under the Patriots’ orders, performs a psychological test in which he tells Liquid that he has the weaker genes and Solid has the stronger, when it is actually the other way around. Yeah, bad idea. Solid Snake joins FOXHOUND, possibly at Big Boss’ request. His father, Big Boss trains him. While BB knows Solid better than Liquid in time, he never tells him about the cloning. And of course as we know, Solidus is put into politics by the Patriots. Metal Gear 1: Big Boss sends his most trusted man, Gray Fox, into Outer Heaven. Fox is captured. He sends in his son Solid Snake as well. “Why’d he send in Snake, his own son?” I think it was his cover—if Zero and the Patriots started to suspect Big Boss had any involvement with this, sending in his friend and son would make him look less suspicious. He never suspected Snake would expose him, though. Big Boss escapes and Gray Fox joins him. They also get Dr. Madnar and the former enemy, Schneider, on their side. (So yeah, four allies from Metal Gear 1 are now enemies in Metal Gear 2.) Metal Gear 2: Snake, having defeated Big Boss the first time, is called back by Foxhound. I suspect Foxhound was secretly under the control of the Patriots. Snake defeats Gray Fox and Big Boss and retires to Alaska, traumatized for “killing” his father. Pre-MGS1: Zero has the bodies of Gray Fox and Big Boss acquired, and keeps them alive in suspended animation using nanomachines. Zero wants to keep Big Boss neither alive nor dead, as an icon, and an irreplaceable friend. Pretty messed up stuff, right there. I suspect that over time, the nanos are upgraded to later generations. After all, Gray Fox was freed easily, while Big Boss’ nanos were so heavy-duty that they had to destroy the whole system to revive him! Ocelot and EVA’s BIG PLAN starts here! Important to MGS4’s ending! Ocelot comes back to America, claiming he didn’t like the new Russian government after the fall of the Soviet Union. He starts conspiring with EVA. Ocelot and EVA resent the prison that Zero kept Big Boss in. Getting along better than they used to, they decide to free him. They need to locate his body. Ocelot just wants to save Big Boss. I don’t think he cares about the Patriots. EVA wants to atone for past sins as well as save her lover. I doubt she approves of what kind of man Ocelot is, but he is her only ally in this venture, so she has to go along with his methods. Ocelot continues his role as a spy for the Patriots. EVA starts a small resistance movement abroad at some point, which is sort of like a Big Boss cult. Campbell retires and Liquid takes up command of FOXHOUND. Paramedic, now going by Dr. Clark, is also in FOXHOUND. Ocelot wants to get close to them. The Patriots make Solidus, AKA George Sears, President, as their way of keeping an image of Big Boss as their icon. Solidus’ DNA is nearly identical to Big Boss, except for his rapid aging, faster than the other two. Ocelot suggests to the Patriots that he be the personal spy on Solidus. He earns the trust of Solidus. He suggests to Solidus that he also be allowed spy on Liquid. (That is, at least, how I suspect it happened.) Ocelot joins FOXHOUND, and earns the trust of Liquid Snake. “What’s Naomi’s involvement?”It’s not quite clear, so this is speculation. I think a likely explanation is that after Naomi joined FOXHOUND with the intent of saving her brother Gray Fox, and also getting revenge on Snake, Ocelot approached her in FOXHOUND. He suggested telling Fox to kill the doctor. She did so, and that was one Patriot down. “How much did Ocelot tell her?” I’m not sure. I doubt she knew about Big Boss being alive. (Otherwise, she might have reconsidered going through with her revenge plan.) They probably told her a little about the Patriots and got her wanting to stop them. Naomi may have known of some of their reasons to stage the Shadow Moses incident, and though she appeared to confess all in MGS1, she was holding out on us. When Gray Fox set off the explosion killing Paramedic, Naomi kept it a secret that he survived, and he came back to cut off Ocelot’s hand (but that worked out pretty well after all). MGS1: Ocelot gets Liquid and company to guard Metal Gear REX on Shadow Moses. He persuades Solidus that he can provoke Liquid into stealing REX, then steal REX himself for Solidus, to fight the Patriots. He convinces the Patriots that it was all Solidus’ idea, and he had to go along with it to keep his loyalty, because the Patriots have Big Plans for Solidus. (I am not sure how far the S3 Plan has come without yet having a Shadow Moses incident to base it on, but they had to have a reason for keeping Solidus around.) “Who was in charge of REX?”I believe it was the Patriots who were backing REX, via the secretary of defense, Jim Houseman. President Johnson said REX did not fall in line with the Patriots’ plans, in MGS2. But then why was Sigint, the DARPA chief supporting it? It’s a likely retcon, but I assume the Patriots were backing REX, blamed it all on Houseman, and did not admit to it. (Another possible explanation is that Sigint’s ties with the Patriots were not that good anymore. He was a friend of Houseman, who they had no qualms about killing after the incident.) “Why did Ocelot stage the Shadow Moses incident?” In MGS2, we belive Solidus sent Ocelot to do it. With MGS4's info, however, I think it was actually Ocelot's idea. He could tell the Patriots he HAD to do it to maintain the trust of Solidus, I guess. Ocelot and EVA had a number of reasons for staging Shadow Moses. At the end of Twin Snakes (not the original) it is revealed Solidus arranged for Ocelot to be given the FoxDie vaccine prior to the incident. This means Ocelot either knew or suspected FoxDie would be used to wipe out FOXHOUND, including Liquid. He probably intended this. Ocelot now has an excuse to kill Sigint, and does so. He tells Liquid and the Patriots that it was an accident, and tells Solidus it was because Sigint knew Ocelot was a spy for him. Now Zero is the only one left. With the Patriots under AI control, they will be more predictable. Ocelot has also made it tougher for Liquid to activate Metal Gear—because he does not really intend to help Liquid or Solidus. Ocelot meets Snake and gets to test a son of Big Boss in combat. He is not disappointed. Gray Fox also cuts off his hand, which was not part of the plan—at the time. Around the time that Liquid gets Snake to activate Metal Gear, Ocelot leaves Liquid to die from FoxDie (or Snake), and high-tails it out of there with the launch data and specifications of Metal Gear REX. In addition, I think it is too much of a coincidence that Liquid wanted Big Boss’ body. I think it is very likely that Ocelot and EVA once hoped that the Patriots would give in to FOXHOUND’s demands, and give them the body of Big Boss. But that didn’t work out. So, Ocelot and EVA plan out the next stage of the plan, and make some adjustments dealing with his loss of hand… Pre-MGS2: At this point, many aspects of my theory becomes quite speculative. I am open to alternate theories, but will not likely change my mind all the same.  Ocelot makes it back to Solidus, and give him the REX launch data, and arranges with him that he will sell the REX specifications on the black market. This will cause a lot of chaos for the Patriots, and contribute to the necessity of both RAY, and Arsenal Gear—and later on, the War Economy. I think Ocelot foresaw such a reaction, though I doubt even he was omniscient enough to know the specifics. Ocelot ALSO got a TON of money from selling the data. If I recall, Snake and Otacon said it was enough to buy a small continent, or something, and possibly the start of a “bigger project.” (We thought it was Arsenal Gear, but I believe it was his Liquid gambit, and taking control of PMC’s.) “But I thought it was the Patriots who had Ocelot sell the data!” I highly doubt the Patriots would have Ocelot cause such Global Chaos just to provoke the marines into making RAY, so they use it to prevent, um, Global Chaos. And they already had a ton of money, unless they’ve spent it. On the other hand, it fits Ocelot’s agenda perfectly. (Though I do have to wonder how he managed to keep the Patriots from finding out it was he who sold the data, while Snake knows because Ocelot had the opportunity…Maybe he once again used the “It was Solidus’ idea” excuse, but it’s a bit hazy.) One way or the other, the Patriots, who were using the names of the Wisemen’s Committee, the founders of their predecessors, the Philosophers, were financially supporting Philanthropy to take down Metal Gears until the Tanker Incident. Ocelot also goes back to Shadow Moses briefly with a team of troops and stuff. He acquires all the corpses, and has the surviving Genome soldiers arrested and imprisoned in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (Major Zero’s home town, haha). “Why didn’t they get rid of Metal Gear REX? Why would they just leave a nuclear weapon there???” I suspect Ocelot pulled a few strings in order to keep REX on Shadow Moses, as part of his plan for Liquid later on. The other possibility is that the Patriots just didn’t think anyone would ever find it. They’re almost entirely run by an AI entirely now, and very efficiency-oriented. Ocelot has Liquid’s hand transplanted onto his own arm with the intention of convincing the Patriots he is possessed by Liquid, later on. He also breaks Naomi out of jail. He tells the Patriots that Snake did it, and later on Snake believes that Liquid did it. They inform Naomi of what they are planning and Naomi goes into hiding for the time being. Ocelot starts using nanomachines and hypnotherapy to take on Liquid’s personality when the time is right. “Why does Ocelot want to become “possessed” by Liquid???” you ask? So he doesn’t get assassinated by the Patriots. I’ll get back to this one later. REX and the Genome army exposed, Solidus goes into hiding. The story to the few politicians in the know, including the new President Johnson, is that Solidus was supposed to be assassinated, but escaped with Ocelot’s help. Nobody knows that Ocelot helping Solidus into hiding is part of the Patriots’ plan—and the Patriots don’t know that it is actually in Ocelot’s best interests… At some point, Zero falls into a vegetative state, around 100 year old. The AI’s are now the only ones controlling the government. Obviously, a few people have to know about them, and I’m not sure how that works. But not many people know, not even the President. MGS2: “Let me get this straight. Solidus wants to stop the Patriots. Ocelot wants to stop the Patriots. Why would Ocelot go along with the S3 Plan and screw Solidus over, and not just genuinely help him?” That’s a very good question. I am convinced that Ocelot was planning to hijack Arsenal Gear for himself all along, taking on the Liquid persona so he wouldn’t be assassinated. So, the Tanker Incident. The set-up for the S3 Plan begins. Ocelot (manipulating Gurlukavich) sinks the tanker and steals RAY for the Patriots, going along with their plan for the time being. They also use him to screw over Snake, since with RAY, they don’t really need him anymore. When Ocelot encounters Snake, the Liquid persona takes over prior to when Ocelot intends for him to, but doesn’t really cause a problem since he steals RAY anyway. Snake steals Liquid’s body and fakes his death afterwards. (I suspect the Patriots were not fooled, but whatever.) The Patriots use mass-produced RAY's to guard Arsenal Gear, which is itself meant to guard a new proxy AI, the one that will control information, GW. Until the very end, Ocelot goes along with the S3 plan, never giving any indication at all that he is planning to betray the Patriots. Shortly before the Plant Chapter, the Liquid persona briefly takes over Ocelot again, and sends Solid Snake and Otacon information that draws them to the Big Shell, including that Emma is being held hostage. The Liquid persona believes that being close to Snake for a prolonged period of time will allow him to take full control of Ocelot (and the player thought so too, until the end of MGS4). This is NOT part of Ocelot’s plan. In the Plant Chapter, Ocelot is planning on getting Solidus and his unit, as well as Raiden, KILLED OFF, *supposedly* as part of the S3 Plan. Raiden goes through his mission, and Ocelot plays his role, killing Ames and Johnson as he’s supposed to. Fast-forward to on top of Arsenal Gear, with Ocelot in Metal Gear RAY. Ocelot was going to make his move on top of Arsenal, and wipe them all out. I believe his real plan was to HIJACK Arsenal Gear at that point, and then become Liquid shortly thereafter. However, Liquid possessed him right before he was going to kill them. Liquid then goes on a wild goose chase in RAY, through Manhattan, after the Patriots. He found nobody, and so went back to Arsenal Gear, and luckily decided to hijack it just as Ocelot planned to earlier. “Why didn’t the Liquid personality know that the Patriots were AI’s?” My guess is that Ocelot never once said it out loud to anyone at any point after starting to create the Liquid persona. Good thing he doesn’t mumble to himself or anything! In the end, the only real change was that Snake and Raiden were still alive. And a good thing, too. EVA might have been mad if Snake and died, and they both proved useful later. Liquid’s antics also made the façade more believable, so that’s good for Ocelot, too. Pre-MGS4: Okay, this is the part we’ve all been waiting for. So, Ocelot surprisingly regains control of himself, and finds himself in Arsenal Gear, as he intended all along. He gets back with EVA and Naomi, and finalizes the Big Plan. Ocelot has Liquid’s arm removed, and replaced with a prosthetic, so he won’t be possessed again before he intends to (apparently the arm is what caused it). The Patriots don’t find out about this. They’ve got Arsenal Gear and GW now. What’s left to do? 1. Repair GW, which has been damaged by Emma’s worm. 2. Figure out how to properly take over the system. 3. Get the code necessary to take over the system. 4. Make a virus and upload it. “Why did they want to revive Big Boss?” Big Boss was their hero, and they loved him, each in a different way. Ocelot idolized him as a soldier. EVA was in love with him, and Naomi was a war orphan saved by him and Gray Fox. “Why did they need to destroy the Patriots to revive him?” Big Boss was kept unconscious by super-duper nanomachines. Apparently, they couldn’t get them out of him, and they couldn’t even, like, use a lead barrier or anything to block the signal. The system had to be destroyed to turn off the nanomachines and let him become conscious again. So, obviously, Ocelot had to “become” Liquid, for some reason. “NOW will you tell us why Ocelot had to become Liquid????” Solidus said it best himself. “Without full air, see, and land support, Arsenal Gear is nothing more than a gigantic coffin!” If Ocelot openly betrays the Patriots, then he will be a major threat. He knows their secrets, even that they are actually AI’s. they will send an army to find Arsenal Gear, and even with all those RAY’s at his disposal, they will eventually break in and kill him. If Ocelot became someone else, however, and could imitate the personality of someone else so precisely that it would fool a computer system into having no choice but to accept that he has become someone else, things might change. Especially if that someone had a reason for the Patriots to keep him alive. With Arsenal Gear, the Patriots’ trump card, stolen, and Snake and Otacon’s anti-Metal Gear ventures stopped (by them), the Metal Gear REX clones across the world are a threat again. This quickly spurred on the War Economy to take shape. It’s not good business to blow up the enemy’s country with the PMC’s and all that going on. Teamed up with Naomi, Ocelot became Liquid permanently, used his massive amounts of money that he gained from selling the REX data, and quickly started climbing up the corporate ladder and ended up in charge of the five largest PMC’s in the world. He was effectively running the world economy single-handed. The Patriots now had a good reason to keep him alive for as long as possible. Being Liquid also meant that there was little doubt that Solid Snake would continue his fight against him. This could be used to their advantage… A less practical possible reason may be that Ocelot wanted to be the personal host of one of Big Boss’ sons for its own sake, and let his body be the one that would carry on Outer Heaven. Not sure about that one, though. Meanwhile, EVA (AKA Big Mama) quietly stole the body of Solidus. She made a deal with Raiden, as well. She had been told by Ocelot (I assume) where Sunny was, and helped Raiden get her back. In return, Raiden helped EVA steal the body of Big Boss, from Area 51. (I know that not everyone considers the database reliable, but I’m going with this explanation.) Raiden was captured, and EVA escaped with the body. She later went back and rescued him, but he had already been experimented on and turned into a Cyborg Ninja. Now this part’s tricky. EVA said the location of Big Boss “was in the data [Raiden] obtained from GW.” I can only assume that meant Emma’s worm cluster. Raiden must have borrowed it from Otacon, and later returned it. The worm cluster, I suspect, was key to completing the virus “FOXALIVE.” Ocelot had originally intended to get the worm back himself. He apparently stole it from Raiden after it was uploaded. “I’ll be taking this back.” But Snake later revealed it was a fake, and Snake himself kept the real one. If only Ocelot had indeed gotten the real one back himself, he and the co-conspirators would have been saved a lot of trouble. He could tell EVA where the body was, and Naomi could also use it to finish the virus faster, possibly even without the help of Otacon/Sunny. But I’m getting ahead of myself. More on the virus and worm cluster later. EVA has pieces from Solidus, and probably Liquid’s right arm, put on Big Boss, to repair his body. I wonder if Naomi was the surgeon. She stashed Big Boss away somewhere. I have no idea how or where she hid him. It would have been risky, but she must have taken steps to avoid having people look there, as well as making a big fuss about Solidus, using him as a decoy. Eventually, Ocelot was under the control of the Liquid persona, with Naomi at his side, suggesting the virus plans to him. Because of the risk of interception by the Patriots or “Liquid,” EVA and Naomi could no longer communicate with each other. Every member of the conspiracy was now cut off from one another. Liquid names his five super-PMC’s after his former comrades, and also forms a new unit in their place, who have characteristics of FOXHOUND, Dead Cell, and the Cobras—the Beauty and the Beast Unit. He sets them to work hunting Solid Snake, as his cover. He expects them to fail, and for Snake to survive and upload the virus. I’m getting to that whole virus mess soon…Anyway, he also renames Arsenal Gear “Outer Haven,” and remodels it thoroughly, with Mount Snakemore and all. “How did Vamp get involved?” I think Liquid met Vamp at some point, and promised him revenge against the Patriots for screwing over Vamp’s Dead Cell comrades. Of course, Vamp had no idea that Liquid taking over was Ocelot’s plan all along, and probably did not know that Ocelot was even a Patriot spy himself, and the one who killed his two lovers, Scott Dolph and Fortune. Supposedly, Vamp kept Fortune’s rail gun and gave it to Crying Wolf. I like that story, anyway. Turns out Naomi’s an uber computer expert, as well as a genetics expert, retrovirus expert, and nanotechnology expert, and possibly even a surgeon. Heck, she might have even been Ocelot’s hypnotist. Who else would have done these things? Anyway, GW gets repaired, possibly by her, and Naomi starts making the virus “FOXALIVE” to destroy the Patriots. She cannot finish it. She needs Otacon’s help. “Why do they need Otacon’s help??” Nanomachines, as usual. Any other scientist they could have help them has a severe risk of leaking information to the Patriots via nanomachines. Otacon is technically a criminal, away from Patriot control and not being monitored. He also has the worm cluster that damaged GW earlier, created by his sister Emma, the same woman who created GW in the first place, which I suspect is necessary to finish the virus. “Why can’t she just ask for help?” She can’t ask for help regarding GW without revealing that she is working for Liquid. She can’t do that without drawing suspicion that she is really on Liquid’s side (which she kind of is, but she is using Liquid for their Plan). So, she has to “escape.” The way to do that believably is with Snake’s help. And they went from there. Sorry to say this again, but I’ll get back to the virus thing in a little bit. Naomi was probably shocked when she and Liquid figured out the code to breaking into the SOP system—Big Boss’ DNA. While Solidus would work just fine too, it meant that they were going after EVA, Naomi’s and Ocelot’s ally. I suspect Naomi suggested that Liquid test his own DNA and Solid Snake’s DNA first, to see if they could take over the system without going after her. Okay, now the MGS4 explanation. I think most of this has already been well-covered by other people. MGS4: In the Middle East, Liquid did his first test when Snake showed up. This way, Naomi could leave him DNA, and confirm that she was really with Liquid, corroborating her message that she would send later that day. The timing also stopped Snake from getting to Liquid. According to Naomi, Liquid used his “DNA chip” to do that test, not his arm. I’m not sure what a DNA chip is, but I think this was foreshadowing that he no longer had his own arm… When Snake came for Naomi, she did tests on him, and used that opportunity to steal his DNA, and got it delivered to Liquid when the guards arrived and took her away. This was very convenient for them…it meant that the soldiers would basically become “zombies.” They would not be able to stop Naomi from escaping with Snake, but Liquid would not give away that he let them escape. Liquid also suspected that the Patriots (Drebin) would be backing Snake. Naomi was now with Snake. She was about to have Otacon finish FOXALIVE, meaning she would tell Otacon that it would destroy the Patriots. She may have needed to tell him that she was working with Liquid of her own free will. However, she found that Sunny would do a better job. She got to know Sunny, and helped her work on it. Sunny would probably have to know that it would destroy all the AI’s to work on it. If I’m right, Naomi must have instructed Sunny to lie and tell Otacon and Snake that it would only destroy GW. Anyway, Naomi had to get back to Liquid ASAP to help him take over S.O.P., so she was forced to leave the virus with Sunny to let her finish it. “If she told Sunny about the virus, why not Otacon and Snake?” She had no reason to tell him. The less people know her intent to destroy the Patriots, the better. Otacon might leak it. Her suspicions were not unfounded. Snake had nanomachines in him, so he was being monitored by Drebin, and probably by the Patriots themselves, too. If he had been within earshot, I think the jig would be up. The Patriots, perhaps Drebin in particular, would stop Snake from uploading the virus. Those first two attempts having failed, their only remaining option was to secure the original (or rather, who Liquid thought was the original). Big Boss. EVA was playing up Solidus as the decoy. She may have been the one to have Solidus’ face removed and stuff. Poor guy. Another possibility is that the Patriots did it, but if so, it was very convenient. EVA wanted to keep Solidus, and put all her effort into keeping it away from Liquid to be convincing. She didn’t know it was the key to the system and necessary to the plan. She thought Liquid just wanted to kill Big Boss. “Why did EVA try to reach out to Ocelot, with the apple and all? Wouldn’t that mess up the plan?” I’m not sure if anyone has asked this, but I did before I figured it out. To answer my own question, no, because Liquid had already won and the Patriots couldn’t get him anymore with S.O.P. under Liquid’s control. If he became Ocelot again, it wouldn’t screw up a thing. He could still accomplish what was necessary well enough. But did EVA know this? I’m guessing not. Another likely possibility is that EVA didn’t think it would work (and was right) and was just acting to fool Snake and Liquid and keep them from suspecting she had anything to do with Liquid taking over Ocelot. The apple thing could obvioulsy be used to fool Snake and Liquid—the overly obvious Adam/Eve symbolism could have been intentional. So that's two possible explanations, but I don't know the answer for certain. This question, though, is pretty commonly asked: “Why did EVA jump on the burning body, if it wasn’t really Big Boss?” A lot of people say EVA did it to fool the Patriots. I say that’s bull spit.  She was hallucinating earlier when she saw Solid Snake as Naked Snake. I think she was delusional from her injury, and for a moment she forgot it was a decoy, and thought it really was Big Boss.I'm annoyed by the idea that she didn't know at SOME point that it was Solidus; the eye was on the wrong side. Liquid intentionally left Snake alive, and told him his fake plan. Liquid claimed that he planned to nuke JD and take over the Patriots. This was made-up, or rather, a back-up plan that Snake thought was his main plan. Liquid actually just wanted to give Snake a reason to upload the FOXALIVE virus, which timing issues had forced them to leave in the hands of Snake and company. (By the way, I think FOXALIVE is a dreadfully corny name, but it’s getting easier to type with repetition, just like so many other names in the series.) Solid Snake having the Mk II listening in on their conversation, and also going to Shadow Moses was not part of the Plan. Good thing they didn’t say anything too incriminating while he was listening in. It worked out well enough, though. Vamp and Crying Wolf got killed off. “Why did Naomi kill herself?” One thing a lot of people don’t seem to realize is that, chances are, Naomi would have died anyway. Her nanomachines would have gone offline when the Patriots were destroyed. After Vamp’s death, Raiden told Naomi that Sunny “cooked them right.” This is a bit far-fetched (imagine that) but I think this was a secret message meaning that Sunny finished the virus. With Vamp, her creation, dead, and the Patriots’ destruction assured, Naomi felt that she had done all she could, and that she couldn’t do anything to help Snake upload the virus, and trusted Sunny to tell them what they needed to hear. She couldn’t stand to have the nanomachines keeping her alive when she would be dead naturally. So, she decided to disable them by choice, rather than live as long as possible with them supporting her. She had planned it for some time earlier, and had disabled them and let the cancer spread over a period of time. We saw her use the syringe in Acts 1 and 2. Anyway, Liquid in control of the SOP system, and the path opened between GW and JD, Snake was told that he needed to upload the virus to stop Liquid from using the Rail gun to destroy the Patriots, which would create global chaos. Now another common question. “Why didn’t Snake just send the Mk. III through the corridor to upload the virus? Why put himself through all that???” They didn’t know what defenses would be on the other side. And they were right, to a degree. There were scarabs there. Snake needed to go through to fend off the Mk. III. It would be downright irresponsible to send their only Mk. III, with the virus, into a room they had no guarantee was safe. (Never mind that Liquid wanted them to upload it in the first place—they didn’t know that.) “What was Liquid thinking? What if Snake had died?” Liquid had faith in Snake’s ability. If the worst happened, and Snake died and the virus was lost, Liquid would probably be disappointed, but still had the Rail Gun. He would have launched it, and taken over the system, just as he said earlier. Later on, he would probably commission another virus and destroy it anyway. It would just take longer. Liquid didn’t know of the changes that Sunny made to the virus, which kept the core of the system while disabling its ability to think for itself and expand its own abilities. This way, “zero” still remained, but could no longer become one. More specifically, key infrastructure things were intact. I suspect that as the AI’s can no longer respond to new situations, humanity will take over those systems for themselves, in time. Of course, after the system was destroyed, Liquid fought with Snake in their final battle. Snake defeated him, and Ocelot himself was back. Ocelot continued to fight Snake because he saw him as a "doppelganger" of Big Boss, and saw a final fight with him as some kind of closure, which it was, event though he didn’t have a practical reason to do it. Ocelot probably knew from the beginning of the plan that he was going to die as a result. He might have even counted on it, because as he didn't know he would regain control of himself at the last minute, the Liquid persona may have eventually found and tried to kill Big Boss. “How did Big Boss know about the plan?” Naomi left a message for him. I suspect she set up two videos. I suppose she would have set up placeholders for them prior to making the virus, and told the virus to transmit play them after it destroyed the Patriots. She then recorded the messages during Act 4, and, I dunno, put them on one of the abandoned Shadow Moses computers? Anyway, one message went to Outer Haven, where it played for Otacon and Snake. The other message went to Big Boss, who I guess had a TV with him or something. Gotta be entertained when you’re in a coma for 15 years, right? Whatever. Anyway, the message also included the location of Zero, which I suspect she programmed to be figured out and sent from JD right before the virus destroyed it. It’s rather hazy. Anyway, she also revealed that FoxDie would not cause an epidemic, because of the New FoxDie injected by Drebin under orders from the Patriots would stop it from mutating. “Wait, what?! So Naomi KNEW Snake didn’t need to kill himself???” Well…Big Boss got his info from Naomi, so…yeah, it seems so. “Why didn’t she tell him?!” you may be wondering. For some time, I myself thought it was an inexplicable plot hole. But I know the reason now, and it is a cold one. Prepare yourself. Naomi wanted Snake to kill himself. She knew Big Boss for longer than Snake (though we don’t know how long) and loved her “benefactor.” She only knew Snake for one day in MGS1, and hated him until she learned he was a good guy, and then knew him for a few more days in MGS4. I tend to think of her as one of “our friends,” but the truth is, while she no longer wants revenge on Solid Snake, she doesn’t care much for him. She first discovered FoxDie was mutating, as well as that Snake had a new FoxDie, in Act 2. She would probably have at least said it would kill Ocelot, though not mentioning EVA and Big Boss, if she had figured out who it was meant to kill at the time. This means that she did more research later. I’m pretty sure the Nomad didn’t have the needed equipment, and she would have been too busy helping Sunny with FOXALIVE, anyway. That’s why I think she did more research on Shadow Moses, using equipment in the labs there, and included that information in the message she recorded for Big Boss, warning him to stay away from Snake. If Snake survived, there was a risk that FoxDie would spread from person to person, reaching Big Boss. Naomi might have wondered if Big Boss would knowingly go to Snake of his own will—which he did. But in spite of what Naomi wanted, Big Boss no longer felt that he had anything left to do but reconcile with Snake and send Zero “back to nothing.” So, yeah. “FoxDie had very convenient timing. Ocelot took days, EVA took hours, Big Boss took less than one hour. What's up with that?”It’s quite possible that, like with the old FoxDie, a person’s age was a factor with the new FoxDie. Ocelot was 69, and took a few days to die. EVA was 78, and took a few hours. Big Boss was probably about 80-84, and took less than an hour. So there you are. Okay, I'm done now. Yes, I know life is too short for things like this. Edited by Megarittz, Oct 7 2009, 01:38 AM.
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| kkarbo | Oct 7 2009, 01:24 AM Post #2 |
 
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TL;DR. I already understand the plot, and anyone who doesn't will not read this. But uh, nice work I guess. I will read it when i'm not so tired and see if i think it's right, honest 
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| SolidSnake2012 | Oct 8 2009, 01:34 AM Post #3 |
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Mother of god... Erm... Right.. Well, that's quite the massive post there friend! XD Either way, I may actually read this massive AP-Metal Gear Solid essay sometime, make sure your facts are clear/mine as well. Welcome to the forums, and a great first post! |
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| Spank | Oct 8 2009, 11:00 AM Post #4 |
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It was good. I actually thought I've got it all right, but I didn't, so thanks for your time witting that. Nothing much to discuss though, but awesome work man! (: - And welcome to the forum, hope to read more from ya! |
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| dimesy | Oct 9 2009, 06:44 AM Post #5 |
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Wow, thanks a lot for that exceptionally thorough explanation. It really cleared up a lot of things that were hazy for me. Very much appreciated:) |
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| FeedOnATreeFrog | Oct 14 2009, 10:37 PM Post #6 |
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I did one of these things for myself about a week ago. Putting it all down in writing clarifies it so much. But then i read yours, and Sooo much stuff is different lol. Kojima is such a bad storyteller. |
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| TwistedSnake | Nov 3 2009, 08:33 PM Post #7 |
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I wouldn't say Kojima's a bad storyteller. He's probably the most gifted storyteller in gaming, but he does do things that make you scratch your head and wonder. But that's part of the beauty of it, is that you have to figure it out for yourself like this young man right here did. Hell of a post, sir. Hell of a post. |
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| Xelig00n | Nov 7 2009, 06:37 PM Post #8 |
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I can't believe i actually read that and i really can't believe i don't think it's wasted time. That was a quality post. And i think Kojima tells the story, and theres several ways to "Get it", if you understand? And that's not "bad" storytelling... i mean, Kojima is pretty crazy (imo) but it makes for a good franchise and it indeed pulls me into the plot... he's a "Special" storyteller, not a bad one 
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| EK_Revolver | Nov 7 2009, 08:00 PM Post #9 |
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Dayum man, you seriously put lots of work into this didn't you? I don't understand why you would want to do all that work so someone ELSE could understand, but I guess it's because your a sharing person HAHA |
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| Machinegun Kid | Nov 7 2009, 08:08 PM Post #10 |
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Once MGS2 was released, thats when i lost the storyline. I always though MGS1 was a typical action hero game with no confusing plot twists at all. Hero defeats psycho bad guy who later turns out to be his brother, pretty simple right? MGS2 basically taken that simple storyline and put huge holes in it which made me really confused. MGS3 was pretty straight forward, after hearing about who this Big Boss guy was in MGS1 i just thought it was just another typical action hero game of how one becomes a villan. Then MGS4 gets released and fills all the holes with water (Meaning i was still unsure about certain things) And now you've come along Meg and seeded those holes. Thank you. This is good, isn't it? |
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| EK_Revolver | Nov 7 2009, 11:48 PM Post #11 |
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Maybe with the posters permission we should include this in a sticky? or the MGSF database. |
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| GreekChaosman | Nov 15 2009, 10:03 PM Post #12 |
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Where did you get tha brain, kid? LOL But i didn't understand one thing. Was Ocelot acting in MGS2 or he did the same thing with hypnosis,nanoshits etc? And about “Who was in charge of REX?” A good explanation is that the Patriots didn't knew about REX. And DARPA CHIEF (Sigint) was planning something with Jim Houseman unknown to Zero (like you said "Sigint’s ties with the Patriots were not that good anymore"). So that was the reason to not "punish" Ocelot for his "accident" that kills a founding member of the Patriots like Sigint. I think that's a perfect explanation. |
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