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Snaking scar on Big Boss's chest
Topic Started: Jan 12 2010, 03:29:27 AM (9,612 Views)
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Imma get the "It might be on another post" thing outta the way right now. Awesome.

So this scar, when he takes his shirt off to spar on the beach just before Miller comes to talk to him, it looks an awful lot like The Boss's in MGS3, eh? So I was wondering, since the game does take place in 1974, two years after the Les Infants Terribles (spelling) project, is that scar from the project? Since The Boss got it from giving birth it would make sense for him to get one (poetically at least) similar when he had "kids". I think it may be part of the many "big reveals" Kojima hasn't shut up about since the game's announcement. Thoughts?
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There has been a thread about this, but it hasn't been discussed in a while.

My best guess is that Big Boss did it to himself to honor The Boss, or the scars that for some reason slithered off The Boss like a Snake connected to him for some reason. Either way, I'm very interested in figuring out exactly what happened there. My God, I cannot wait for this game.
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I'm hoping that it's a visual representation of just how fucked up Snake still is over the Boss' murder and also related to the LET. He did it himself to honor the Boss' sacrifice after he learns about the clones, the Boss got that scar after the Caesarian section that bought Ocelot into the world, Naked Snake cut himself in memory of her when the Snake's are born.
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Is it confirmed that Snake made it to himself? I mean, I know it's one of the most obvious things but has it been confirmed?
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Nope, nothing has been confirmed about it. I'm just hoping that it's that instead of some ridiculous by product of the LET cloning project.

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I don't think I could see BB going down the self-mutilation route however messed up he is. Obviously, it's possible, but I don't see it as being very in-character (the fact that he wants to nuke the US later aside). It would be pretty suited to the tale, but I see it being more of a battle wound (ok, maybe "wound" doesn't quite cover the severity of the scar's appearance), but we will probably find out it was inflicted onto him via another character in the game. Like irony, I suppose.
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Yeah, I still think BB cut himself in honor of The Boss, that's the best guess.
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No way. He didn't. If anything it was a critical injury he sustained, and ZERO probably took advantage of the resulting time Big Boss spent in an ICU or whatever to initiate the LET.

So, is it a coincidence, then? Yes. Yes it is. And I am aware of how cheesy, groan-worthy, and outright odd that would be to have in a MGS game, but there it is. Big boss did not cut himself up.
Edited by Orca*, Jan 13 2010, 07:14:08 AM.
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So it's you stealing my thoughts? ^^^
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I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Jan 13 2010, 12:56:25 AM
I'm hoping that it's a visual representation of just how fucked up Snake still is over the Boss' murder and also related to the LET. He did it himself to honor the Boss' sacrifice after he learns about the clones, the Boss got that scar after the Caesarian section that bought Ocelot into the world, Naked Snake cut himself in memory of her when the Snake's are born.
I'm hoping this.

But I'm thinking it may be more of, they need some of Big Boss' cells for the LET project, let's give him the same scar she had since he is carrying her torch so to speak.

Although I'm really hoping he did it to himself.

EDIT: Yeah, pretty much along the lines of what Orca* said.... always stealing my ideas.... -_-

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Wtf? How can anyone know he did or he didn't xD It's not confirmed. A wound that way is very, very odd, and him cutting himself is not in character, so then wtf? or maybe it was simbolical?
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Yuh i'm hoping it's a crazy self mutilation thing.
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lol, What is this? Everyone's hoping Big Boss becomes a cutter? XD
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Orca, if, when this comes out, it turns out that kkarbo, Heli and TwistedSnake were right, we're gonna have to make a thread bowing down coz it seems they're very much against us lol

Maybe Hideo's actually taking the character's emo-ness to the next level and thought, "Fuck it, no more pussy whining and crying like Fortune. No more being a terrorist pussy and threatening to launch a nuke like Liquid coz you're angry at Daddy. No more moaning you have nothing to go back for even though you have everything you want and will never be needed when Snake is around [Raiden]... fuck it, Big Boss... SHOW 'EM HOW YOU REALLY EXPRESS YOUR INNER TURMOIL!!!!"

Although I still stick by what I said above... (Orca Faction, unite!)
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I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Like Heliakon said, he probably cut himself because of The Boss. I remember when I first played the Peace Walker demo and saw that scar, I thought, "How did he get that scar?" But yeah, it's probably because of The Boss.
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Orca, it's just me, you and Shalashaska now. *Readies the baked-bean tins and cookies* "We're all moving to the sewers."
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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lol, What is this? Everyone's hoping Big Boss becomes a cutter? XD
It's not so much anything to do with the character, more that it shows that Hideo still remembers and respects the MSX games (MGS4 on the otherhand suggests he's either forgotten about them [Snake's total lack of reaction to the name "Madnar" and EVA's useless speech about oil] or he doesn't care about them), Snake cutting himself in memory of the Boss would show that Snake's grip on reality is slipping even more, meaning Hideo hasn't quite jumped the shark yet.
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I'm going with the whole "after product of the LET project" theory- the scar was deliberately inflicted in tribute to The Boss as ordered by Zero. As BB was unaware of what happened to him I think he is going to assume that the scar is some supernatural sign that he must carry on The Boss' will, unaware that that is Zero's motive all along.

Or maybe I'm just bullshitting.
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lol, What is this? Everyone's hoping Big Boss becomes a cutter? XD
It's not so much anything to do with the character, more that it shows that Hideo still remembers and respects the MSX games (MGS4 on the otherhand suggests he's either forgotten about them [Snake's total lack of reaction to the name "Madnar" and EVA's useless speech about oil] or he doesn't care about them), Snake cutting himself in memory of the Boss would show that Snake's grip on reality is slipping even more, meaning Hideo hasn't quite jumped the shark yet.
Damn, good reference. ^_^

I can see what you're saying, but it would be just SO out of character to me — this is still earlier on in the spectrum of the 50 Years War, I have an extremelydifficult time seeing Big Boss purposely do anything to harm himself, considering he's spoken about passing on what's been handed down to him, and what-not. I've pointed out before, The Boss's training was so ingrained that he felt like her child — it doesn't make any sense to me that he'd break away from her influence and do something so... Grievous.

But hell, you could be right too. But option B in all this is Big Boss never explains it, the game says nothing about it — it's just there.

@GhosT — Orca Faction, lol — on deviantArt there's a group (or was) called The Orca Army. :P They either had a war or an alliance with another group called The Shark Army.

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lol, What is this? Everyone's hoping Big Boss becomes a cutter? XD
Yes, in fact I'm also hoping he goes through an emo transition throughout the game where he begins wearing eyeliner and girls jeans :haha:
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