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| Creepy Shit Paz Trailer; Stolen in its entirety from Snake Soup | |
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| doubleo sigint | Mar 28 2010, 01:24:23 PM Post #61 |
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It's like not even a second long.... and she's legal in the UK if that helps your awkwardness of a seeing a half nude video game character, that is "pretend" 16. |
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| JohnKiller118 | Mar 28 2010, 01:41:38 PM Post #62 |
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All right guys, it's a fictional 16 year old girl. It's not like she's 8. Making fun of this video isn't that funny anymore after Ravi perfected it all. Regardless on your stance on loli, or whether or not you think it fits the series' humor, you have to admit that this music video should NOT be used to PROMOTE the game! Maybe as a secret theater film, but to ADVERTISE the game to the general public? No. Edited by JohnKiller118, Mar 28 2010, 01:50:24 PM.
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| hukibeast | Mar 28 2010, 03:43:25 PM Post #63 |
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You guys are being a bit TOO optimistic. Ever since Kojima made Big Boss his new badass hero in MGS3 it seems like he's been too attached. He's been actively rewriting the canon of the series to make Big Boss the "OMG He was actually good all long goy". In Peace Walker he's good, and he's just years away from when he's supposed to be crazy evil. And in MGS4 he magically went from "WAR WAR FUCK YOU CHILDREN WAR!" to "I'm sorry, I love you son" while in comatose. WHAT? And the turn of a hero to a villain is going to be a little too much for the 12 year olds Kojima is targetting for Peace Walker. |
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| JohnKiller118 | Mar 28 2010, 03:50:27 PM Post #64 |
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I see nothing in MGS3, or MPO for that matter, that rules out the possibility of Big Boss going crazy in Peace Walker. We've barely seen anything about Peace Walker's story. For all we know they're saving the best bits for the game! The game takes place in the mid 70's. The Outer Heaven incident doesn't occur until 1995. As for his "I'm sorry, my son" attitude in MGS4, Yeah, that's what happens when you have a revelation. If Kojima still has balls. he'll do it. I have faith in him. There is already a topic about this. Look for the "Evil Big Boss... please" thread and discuss it there. Edited by JohnKiller118, Mar 28 2010, 03:52:30 PM.
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 06:34:20 PM Post #65 |
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Agreed. Hukibeast, please post in the designated thread for what you wanna chat about, it starts up useless debates in the wrong place. Anyway, I'm completely with you here, John. I feel really fucking strongly about this shit (don't care if I'm bumping, it's on-topic), but that "loli" crap is just a perverted excuse for paedophilia in my eyes, and I know some would say that's ignorant of other people's cultures, but I find the whole thing in general ignorant of the world's feelings towards it. I'm sorry, but whether it's legal or not, it IS under that loli shit. Anything that is made to look childish in nature and intentionally younger than what it appears comes under that category. I'm sorry, but Paz does NOT look 16, she is made to look younger than what she actually is, due to this "loli" fascination the Japanese apparently have, and that is really wrong and irresponsible in my opinion. Wrong in the sense that it's being broadcast to the world now. It's not kept within the confines of THEIR culture. How do they expect the world to be acceptant to such shit? I'm not trying to come across as one of those up-tight cunts who want to censor everything, trust me, I really don't, I just can't help but find it appaling that Kojima wants to actively promote the under-dressing of such a young-LOOKING girl. Edit: Oh, and Roy, yeah that would be fucking funny if this really was a video game right now! And some little fat kid is operating me right now and then going on a forum to talk about me. Wow... You've got me paranoid.
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| Roy | Mar 28 2010, 06:54:11 PM Post #66 |
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@The_GhosT: Don't like it? The don't watch that video and don't play Peace Walker, no one is making you.
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 07:08:47 PM Post #67 |
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I'm sure there's plenty of things you don't like about MG, and this is one of the things I don't like in THIS MUSIC VIDEO WHICH HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THE GAME. If something like this was going to make me not play a game, I'd be a moron. And I actually aint watching it again, I did once, so that's a bit silly to say, aint it? And how do you know noone is making me? You haven't seen the Japanese guy behind me with a gun to my head asking me to wear my old school uniform, have you? |
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Roy | Mar 28 2010, 07:26:37 PM Post #68 |
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Yes but I'm not claiming its appalling or something I am strongly morally against. Not that Kojima is advocating raping 16 year olds or whatever you think he's doing anyway. |
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 07:37:11 PM Post #69 |
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But that's you then, mate, not others. You should respect that because you act as if there is something wrong with having something against it. You may not be morally against this "loli" thing in question, but there are going to be plenty of people who are, and it's certaintly on-topic considering this game utilises it slightly in it's character Paz. Saying that I'm advocating Kojima raping 16 year-olds is a bit ignorant, to be honest, I haven't claimed anything other than my disapproval of this "loli" thing JohnKiller118 informed us of. It seems you totally ignored that I said, "I'm not trying to come across as one of those up-tight cunts who want to censor everything, trust me, I really don't, I just can't help but find it appaling that Kojima wants to actively promote the under-dressing of such a young-LOOKING girl." Listen, I'm not trying to be an arse, but the thread is called, "Creepy Shit Paz Trailer", and this is what the conversation has become based on. If YOU haven't got a problem with it, state it, or don't worry about posting it. It's just an opinion. |
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Roy | Mar 28 2010, 07:48:11 PM Post #70 |
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Yes I do think there is something wrong with having something against it. Like I think there is something wrong with having something against black people, women, homosexuals and so on. There is something wrong with discrimination. No one is being harmed here. Kojima is not out raping or even undressing 16 year olds (even if he was undressing 16 year olds, if they consented then why the hell not?) or "young LOOKING girls". The character is not real and by making this, Kojima isn't advocating anything other than undressing polygons which is ok with me. I have not ignored anything you have said and I know this is a discussion about the Paz video, but that doesn't mean you can call it sick or appalling or that this is anywhere near sexually abusing children or whatever when there is nothing of the kind. Oh and paedophilia does not equal sexually abusing children. And "lolicon" does not equal sexually abusing children either. Edited by Roy, Mar 28 2010, 07:55:10 PM.
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 08:53:53 PM Post #71 |
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You're obviously not following me, then. I think this is one big misunderstanding. I haven't at all said it was equal to sexually abusing children. In all fairness, YOU were the first to bring that up. I'm pretty sure it DOES give me the right to say it's appaling that Kojima has purposely undressed someone that looks as young as she does, tying-in with the "loli" thing, that's just my opinion. I respect yours, I do, which is why I'm not getting into a debate about what's the better opinion, what's right/wrong, etc, I'm just trying to get you to understand and respect my diversity in opinion. You don't have to follow it. It's just frustrating when people neglect your opinion, such as when you did when you told me not to watch that video or play the game or when in your last post you said, "Yes I do think there is something wrong with having something against it.". This, even though you're denying it, is ignorant. You're ignoring and disrespecting my right to argue against something I don't like; ultimately the whole reason for this forum's existence. That's all I'm asking of you, to not be so negative and rude on the subject. When I say I don't like it, I'm not slating the video, the game or anything but the way such a young-looking girl is undressed in such a way, be it polygon or not, but I also am not ignorant enough to ever rid of it, because people are entitled to do what they wish, which is why I also made it clear that "I'm not trying to come across as one of those up-tight cunts who want to censor everything, trust me, I really don't". That's what you're ignorant toward. I just don't approve of it, personally. And I was replying to JohnKiller118's post on the "loli" thing, which was more on-topic and relevant to the argument rather than just saying to someone, "Don't like it? The don't watch that video and don't play Peace Walker, no one is making you." This leaves no room for any discussion and we may as well all have the same opinion on everything. Ever. In the world. You see what I mean? I apologise if I come across as an arse, mate, I do, but I just thought you were being a bit unfair. |
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| JohnKiller118 | Mar 28 2010, 09:37:20 PM Post #72 |
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I love how Roy Campbell is saying we're discriminating loli in the same way some people discriminate black people, women, and homosexuals. Last time I checked, there are no laws that discriminate loli fans that I know of, unlike homosexuals or, at one point in this country's history, women and black people. Nor is there any advocation to treat people that like loli any differently from any other human being. Nor have I or anyone else on this forum discriminated against people that like loli. It's not people we're discriminating, it's the use of a digital underage girl to sell copies of a game in a series that I have always respected for its story. To exploit one of its female characters to make old Japanese men hard is not my idea of respectful advertising. And yes, I would react in a similar way if they exploited a legal aged woman, like Meryl or Naomi, though I consider it slightly worse here because Paz is underage. If it was fan art, I would still have a knee jerk reaction of "WTF? perverted pedo", but I wouldn't give as much of a shit about it as I do with this. I would also like to point out that, according to his/her signature, Roy looks like he's/she's part of some anti-discrimination group. That alone is fine. But when combined with him/her throwing the word "discrimination" around like a US Conservative throws the words "un-American" or "Socialist" when referring to the recently passed US health care bill, it leads me to believe that he/she is one of those activists that tries desperately to find discrimination where it isn't, just to make him/her feel like she is supporting her cause. When someone posts here that everyone that likes loli should be executed/deported/banned/anything else that actually hurts people, then you can shout your anti-discrimination beliefs. Until then, stop thinking your the Martin Luther King of our generation. Edited by JohnKiller118, Mar 28 2010, 10:12:57 PM.
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| Tom Cruise | Mar 28 2010, 09:38:54 PM Post #73 |
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yay i hoped we were gonna go down this road! this is a bit tangential, and maybe even totally off topic, but i draw comic books. If i drew a comic scene of a 16 year old in her panties dancing, and some creepy old guy was looking through the window or something, does that make me a creepy kid touching pedo? NO! that fact is, when it comes down to it, loli manga, and even this game, are nothing more than lines and pixels rearranged to resemble something thats real. it isnt real in and of itself. I am all about freedom of speech, if you wanna draw a horse fucking a baby go ahead its your right. i dont get my jollies to that personally, but for you to tell me what i can and cannot create is just...well...wrong. Kojima here has done nothing wrong. he put meryl pantsless in MGS1 and had solid snake leer at her ass. He had raiden look up the skirt of a female hostage who was about to die in big shell. and jesus christ, every scene EVA was in in MGS3 screamed slutty steryotype. but i dont remember anyone calling kojima a sexist pig, pervert, or rapist then. this game is being marketed towards kids, like it or not. excuse me if im wrong, but insofar as i know, it ISNT illegal to own or show a teenager in their underwear. no nudity was shown. if youre uncomfortable with it that says more about you than the maker. not to mention it was like a 2 second flash of skin. OH NOES! go ahead and say a singing and dancing routine doesnt go with the MGS universe (a point which i can understand, even though i dont agree with) but there is nothing wrong with it. if it makes you uncomfortable thats not kojimas fault. |
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 10:18:25 PM Post #74 |
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Some things you say are true. But you completely miss the point of what me and John are saying. Please read what he said: "When someone posts here that everyone that likes loli should be executed/deported/banned/anything else that actually hurts people, then you can shout your anti-discrimination beliefs." This is my and his point on the matter. NOONE, I repeat, NOONE is saying he can't do it, and trying to partition for it to stop. We are saying we don't agree with this kind of objectification. I've numbered you're quotes cos' it makes it easier for me. 1. Yes, I agree. And I've said that already in my previous posts, I was just trying to get that across first, and then emphasise MY RIGHT to my own opinion, same as you have your right to do, draw, talk about, fuck whatever YOU want. Both John AND myself have said this. 2. Actually, loads of people were making those comments when they saw those things. You can actually read over all the comments, threads and discussions people were having about it when they did. 3. No, actually it's down to both parties. That's like someone cussin' you cos' you're gay and then saying it's your fault for being offended. BUT, I do actually agree with you in this case, it's fine for Kojima to do it. He's not breaking any laws or anything.... but we're still gonna give our opinion, regardless. |
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Tom Cruise | Mar 28 2010, 10:26:23 PM Post #75 |
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i get what you guys are saying, and im not actually directing that at you, its more to the overreactors. I dont see anything wrong with it, or offensive. i mean look at all of secret theater on subsistence, the perverted humor, dancing gag or whatever other type of gags were all over this. from what ive seen alot of this seems to be kneejerk reactions "THERES DANCING IN THIS GAME ITS GONNA BE DDR!" "big boss wants to fuck paz!" wait, what? big boss hasnt shown any interest in women period, hell even when EVA was all up on him he looked bored out of his mind lol. i dont have a problem, i found it hilarious and perfectly in line with the MGS series tongue in cheek way of doing things. its pretty special when a game series can be super serious and then utterly goofy at the same time |
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 10:31:35 PM Post #76 |
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Haha, nah, mate, that's exactly right! That's how I see it as well, I have no problem with the humour or anything. It's not even that I think it's out-of-place in the MG world. I just had something against the "loli" thing John posted about, and its relevance to the way Paz is portrayed. Thanks for understanding, man. And for the most part, I agree with you that the over-reactors NEED to calm-down. It's one thing having an opinion, but it changes when you try to crusade for your opinion to be universal, cos' it never will be lol. |
![]() PUT YOUR FUCKING COCK IN-BETWEEN MY ARMPIT NOW SO I CAN MAKE A FART NOISE ON YOUR BELL-END.
"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| JohnKiller118 | Mar 28 2010, 10:50:17 PM Post #77 |
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@NickRocks Yes, the Secret Theater was filled with light hearted perverted humor, and it was awesome. It did not have any 16 year olds in their undergarments, nor was it used to advertise the game. Also, the trailer just isn't that funny. It seemed to take itself too seriously. Come to think of it, aside from Paz in her undergarments, I probably would of been perfectly fine with this video if it was even more goofy! They should of had Snake and Miller dance with the militia! THAT would of fit the series' humor perfectly! Edited by JohnKiller118, Mar 28 2010, 10:51:34 PM.
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| The_GhosT | Mar 28 2010, 10:55:40 PM Post #78 |
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Yeah, I agree. I mean, I know the humour of the West and East are (apparently lol) pretty different, but I just didn't find it funny. I don't understand the words, but it couldn't be all bloody dialogue that expresses the comedy. It just seemed really pointless and a waste of time, but I suppose it's Kojima trying to get the younger generation who are gonna be playing this game in Japan interested with a JPop twist. But funny, it is not. When I saw Big Boss jumping about in the field he killed The Boss in, I laughed, but not that. Edit: When I read that they were thinking about having Miller, Big Boss and his soldiers doing press-ups and that on the beach to some funky Japanese music, I couldn't believe it that they swapped THAT for THIS. Edited by The_GhosT, Mar 28 2010, 10:58:22 PM.
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"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS." Spoiler: click to toggle
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| JohnKiller118 | Mar 28 2010, 11:07:23 PM Post #79 |
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Now, had the video been more like this, I would laugh my ass off. The song doesn't take itself seriously (whereas the music in the real video sounds like a serious anti-war/love song, which is a cringing combination.) All that's left is a dancing soon-to-be-crazy man, a dancing soon-to-be-killed-by-said-crazy-man's-kind-of-son, and dancing soon-to-be-blown-up-at-the-end-of-Metal-Gear-1 soldiers, and it would of been epic! Edited by JohnKiller118, Mar 28 2010, 11:16:19 PM.
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| Tom Cruise | Mar 28 2010, 11:17:16 PM Post #80 |
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watching it again, i still dont see the creepy. and youre right, its not as funny the second time around, but theres literally 2 seconds of undies flashed and thats about it. the trailer seems more to showcase what a "free spirit" paz is |
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