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Creepy Shit Paz Trailer; Stolen in its entirety from Snake Soup
Topic Started: Mar 23 2010, 08:54:09 PM (9,882 Views)
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Ghost
 
I'm pretty sure it DOES give me the right to say it's appaling that Kojima has purposely undressed someone that looks as young as she does

You know, you haven’t once given a reason for it being “appalling” while I believe I have given enough reasons against it being “appalling”. So humour me, why do you think its appalling?

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It's just frustrating when people neglect your opinion, such as when you did when you told me not to watch that video or play the game or when in your last post you said

All I’m saying is that if you don’t like it then don’t watch it and don’t comment on it, unless you have any valid reason to dislike it of which I have no found from you yet. There’s no need for you to go around calling it appalling and the like, I think that is unfair, unwarranted criticism Mr Kojima.

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I love how Roy Campbell is saying we're discriminating loli in the same way some people discriminate black people, women, and homosexuals.
Last time I checked, there are no laws that discriminate loli fans that I know of, unlike homosexuals or, at one point in this country's history, women and black people. Nor is there any advocation to treat people that like loli any differently from any other human being. Nor have I or anyone else on this forum discriminated against people that like loli.

I think its fair to say calling it sick is akin to calling homosexuals sick.

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It's not people we're discriminating, it's the use of a digital underage girl to sell copies of a game in a series that I have always respected for its story. To exploit one of its female characters to make old Japanese men hard is not my idea of respectful advertising.
And yes, I would react in a similar way if they exploited a legal aged woman, like Meryl or Naomi, though I consider it slightly worse here because Paz is underage.

Well, like I have said before, Paz isn’t underage and she isn’t real so she wasn’t exploited besides, you were calling drawn images of underage girls sick as well as criticising the video and you know full well that it is that I am referring to.

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I would also like to point out that, according to his/her signature, Roy looks like he's/she's part of some anti-discrimination group. That alone is fine. But when combined with blah blah blurg

lol

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When someone posts here that everyone that likes loli should be executed/deported/banned/anything else that actually hurts people, then you can shout your anti-discrimination beliefs

I think calling it sick counts as a desire for such a thing to never happen. I can’t see why you’d want something you think is “sick” to continue.
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JohnKiller118
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Okay, I did overreact when I called it "sick." But jeez, sorry for finding the image of young girls (drawn, modeled, or otherwise) in undergarments unpleasant.
Where I'm from, 16 is underage. What's the legal age for adults where you're from?
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Mar 29 2010, 12:51:35 AM
Okay, I did overreact when I called it "sick." But jeez, sorry for finding the image of young girls (drawn, modeled, or otherwise) in undergarments unpleasant.
Where I'm from, 16 is underage. What's the legal age for adults where you're from?
In most of Europe it's 16, sometimes 15 in some countries.
Also some states in America the legal age is 16.
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Oh, and was it just me who saw this resemblence as soon as they saw Paz? (This'll only be amusing for Brits/those who are aware who Jordan is, and have knowledge of her children)


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Ok I saw this video from when it was first posted but couldn't comment since the sound on my PC decided to stop working and now suddenly works. :huh:

Aaanyway I don't have a clue why people are overreacting like how some have, I thought it was gonna be some unbelievably ridiculous obcenity or something. Although I do agree that it's a waste of time even if it's for advertising for the Japanese market, stop wasting time with these sort of stupid videos and work on the game people!
Watch this space.
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I found an English translation of the lyrics by the way if anyone's interested. (Source)

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Mar 29 2010, 12:34:39 AM
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I'm pretty sure it DOES give me the right to say it's appaling that Kojima has purposely undressed someone that looks as young as she does

You know, you haven’t once given a reason for it being “appalling” while I believe I have given enough reasons against it being “appalling”. So humour me, why do you think its appalling?

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It's just frustrating when people neglect your opinion, such as when you did when you told me not to watch that video or play the game or when in your last post you said

All I’m saying is that if you don’t like it then don’t watch it and don’t comment on it, unless you have any valid reason to dislike it of which I have no found from you yet. There’s no need for you to go around calling it appalling and the like, I think that is unfair, unwarranted criticism Mr Kojima.
Ah, man, this is getting crazier and crazier. Honestly, please try to understand lol.

1. I haven't given a "definitive" reason as to what I find appaling about this video in regards to the "loli" thing that John posted about, as I've said quite a few times now, is because I was simply giving my opinion on the matter. But only how the "loli" aspect ties into the video, on a deeper level. I never once said, and I also made it clear that, the video was appalling. Just the aspect of a young-looking girl being deliberately under-dressed and sexualised in the way that said "loli" encorporates. So it was more in relation to John's post on the "loli" thing rather than my slander on the actual video itself; essentially the theme behind it. Now, to clarify back over what I was saying, I haven't given that reason because it's not "unfair" as you call it, to give my opinion. What you want me to do is tell you why I don't lke that "loli" shit, which in my opinion, would seem much more "unfair" for me to delve into, because then it comes down to me objecting against the people that indulge in said "loli", and THAT is unfair. I hold back those things because it's the right thing to do. It's not the place on the forum to discuss why we don't like "loli" and so forth, it's about this music video. And one of the things I didn't like about this video was that. But since you asked, yeah I'll humour you lol. This is the link I was referring to that John gave and I was commenting on what's written therein. I will also quote what I don't like (since you asked) but I don't think it's valid, and I'm also saying now it's not the place to debate on my opinion on "loli", you can PM me for that or make a separate thread about it. I'm just sticking by the rules, mate.
"childlike female characters are depicted in an erotic manner."
"a term used to describe a sexual attraction to younger girls or girls with youthful characteristics."
"it can refer to actual or perceived pedophilia and ephebophilia."
These are the things I didn't like about it. I'd never known about the term before, and since Paz obviously comes under the category (if mildy) of being made to look younger than what she is, I felt it necessary to comment on it, giving my opinion. I find the aspect of sexually appreciating someone younger/ made to look like a child quite perverse and is something I disapprove of. Now, I'm not taking the piss, if you agree with that, or don't mind people having their interest in it, then by all means, that's your perogative, but don't say it's useless or unfair against Kojima for me having my view against it. Like I've tried to make clear, I don't mind what people do, but that doesn' mean I'm going to agree with it. And I certaintly didn't accuse Kojima of being a rapist, a paedophile or any of the things you falsely implied I was doing.

2. Mate, that just sounded pretty ignorant right there. "if you don’t like it then don’t watch it and don’t comment on it, unless you have any valid reason to dislike it of which I have no found from you yet". I'm really not trying to be rude here, please don't think the less of me, but what you consider valid as a reason is not valid in itself to constitute me not commenting at all. That's just abnoxious. Like I said, I mean no offense, but you can't use your own standards as a means to classify what is ok to be commented on what is not. Otherwise, if the forum was full of people saying, "if you don't like it then don't watch it" then we wouldn't get anywhere, would we? I mean, you said yourself and agreed with me, that there are things you didn't like about some of the MG games. I'm sure you've said things in some of the treads about what you haven't liked in the hope of discussing it with people. Well, then why did you comment on it if you don't like it if you think the above? You see what I mean? You must be able to see where I'm coming from, here. :P
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“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
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you're all sick. Fuck damnit, it's not like she's being fucked by 5 guys and screaming for more, morons, she's just in her underwear. You see girls just like that, real and younger girls, on the beach. Grow the fuck up, not everything is about pedophilians.

And please tell me, in which world do you live in? Some girls are 13 years old and have had sex many times, and not against her will. Jesus, you guys are making yourself too much trouble about something which was just a small thing to put. If she was 18 years old would you be like this? It's just 2 years more, he's not promoting pedophilians or anything. Just please grow the fuck up.
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lolz, women's underwear ≈ bikinis

I'm not sure why everybody is flippin' out.
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No ur face.

I dont like the English lyrics.

Woah, wha? I just went on topic?! :o
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it comes down to me objecting against the people that indulge in said "loli", and THAT is unfair.

At least we agree on something.

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Mar 29 2010, 06:50:28 PM
you're all sick. Fuck damnit, it's not like she's being fucked by 5 guys and screaming for more, morons, she's just in her underwear. You see girls just like that, real and younger girls, on the beach. Grow the fuck up, not everything is about pedophilians.

And please tell me, in which world do you live in? Some girls are 13 years old and have had sex many times, and not against her will. Jesus, you guys are making yourself too much trouble about something which was just a small thing to put. If she was 18 years old would you be like this? It's just 2 years more, he's not promoting pedophilians or anything. Just please grow the fuck up.
In my defense I just hate her FACE with a passion! She can live her fictional promiscuous life however she wants
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Wow, man. This is hopeless.
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I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Mar 28 2010, 11:17:16 PM
watching it again, i still dont see the creepy. and youre right, its not as funny the second time around, but theres literally 2 seconds of undies flashed and thats about it. the trailer seems more to showcase what a "free spirit" paz is
I'm more in line with what this guy is thinking and to be honest the nudity though unnecessary doesn't bother me one bit however I do find it strange that if you zoom in you can enjoy her 'credentials' in cutscenes and apparently in this trailer. Did make me feel a bit pervy having the ability to do that for no reason at all I must admit. But It's not itching my ass so it's cool.

Eva naked in the survival viewer didn't make me feel pervy but Paz felt strange even though she's 16 (legal age in the UK) maybe it's the legal age in Japan that's why it's not a big deal possibly.
Waiting for Shenmue III like...
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See, why can't people just be more polite like you? Even if you have differing opinions. Fuck me, I always wish Paz were real now so she could bring some peace to the forum! And then strip.
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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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Because people want to win that badass of the year award :guns2:
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Well, you're gonna win a better award than that, cuz.

You're getting my

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Mickey
 
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.


"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..."
“Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!”
"Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
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For someone with a girlfriend, you're probably the gayest member on the forums.
...not that there's anything wrong with that, of course!

I'm very accepting of people having a homosexual lifestyle. But it seems like Roy Campbell would have you believe otherwise.

Yeah, I've given up on trying to be reasonable. Roy, go cry some more.
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