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| Tom Cruise | Apr 3 2010, 01:18:27 AM Post #121 |
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nothing about eva worked in MGS3 for me. her slut act got annoying and old fast "i bet if i kissed you, youd taste like wild beast" GROAN Edited by Tom Cruise, Apr 3 2010, 01:18:47 AM.
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 12:49:37 AM Post #122 |
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Yeah, I think it's well established now the problem is with the way the "loli" thing seems to be implemented. I mean, yes, well done Hideo for stating that she's 16, but Heli really did sum up the whole point of my argument towards this. THAT'S what I had a problem with, in relation to the "loli"-related theme of having a female character made to look PURPOSELY young, and that is where the controversy comes into play because people don't want to see someone who looks so young be exploited in that way, whether it's mild or not. As Comatoes said, it can make the target audience very uncomfortable and is hard for people outside of the Japanese-young-girl-state-of-mind to swallow. I'm not putting down Kojima for his game development skills, Metal Gear itself or even the video itself, because I'm truly not that narrow-minded. I just think having her look so young on purpose to fill in with the "loli" shit, and then sexually exploited is a bit much for some people. I'm, to some people's annoyance, am one of those people. I agree with the James Bond thing, with Meryl and Eva, I was able to work with the sexual references, even in relation to the Japanese perviness, but that's purely because they were of a mature age to be portrayed so. Paz, on the other hand... I just don't agree with. |
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| sadistic_greyfox | Apr 5 2010, 01:01:11 AM Post #123 |
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I just think just as Kojima's target audience was the youth, this was just fan service to them. Japan has a major hard on for youth (not only for their jolly times, also in their mythos, and media). Not to mention the majority of psp owners around the world are pretty much young teens with 18+ audience being the minority. If that was his reason I guess you can say Kojima doesn't care much for the western or older audience who followed the series through, he just wants to get this out there and make it a success sales wise? maybe I'm wrong but jsut flinging some ideas out there. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 01:05:18 AM Post #124 |
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No, that makes perfect sense. I completely understand that side of the argument, and that is definately a valid way of looking at it, really. It's just a little weird for that "other" group he didn't care about when he designed it. But you're right, though, I suppose I didn't really think of it from a younger person's perspective. But even so, it's pretty risky (and some might say ignorant) considering Kojima should be fully aware of the older audience who will be following PW. In fact, this is a little off-topic, but do you reckon the majority of consumers of PW will be older fans of the series or new-to-the-series younger gamers who Hideo has hoped to have it appeal to? |
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 5 2010, 01:08:21 AM Post #125 |
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Oh come on. I don't think Kojima would sell out that much. I like to think of it as Kojima trying to get young kids into his anti-war/pro-peace philosophy, something many people take for granted these days. |
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| Roy | Apr 5 2010, 01:25:27 AM Post #126 |
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Its a friggin Japanese trailer in Japanese, its not aimed at these so called "mature westerners" that you speak of, not that is anything but pretentious bullshit anyway. Its not even a trailer its more of a joke if anything, he hasn't attempted to appeal to anyone with this and it isn't his way of selling the game. Like Shal said, just grow the fuck up and stop bawwing over nothing.
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| sadistic_greyfox | Apr 5 2010, 01:26:33 AM Post #127 |
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On the contrary I do think he has and probably is. Just look at the fact that everything in mgs4 had to be explained through retcons so that the casual audience could play the game without being lost by the events in past metal gear games. Of course you have to also think of it from a company stand point, making games for the fans is all well and good but at the end of the day they are doing this for the money, got to provide for family and keep the belly happy and so on. Ghost, I can't predict how it will work out in the end. Word of mouth will be the biggest draw here, with co-op so well integrated into it friends will tell friends to get it if it is good enough. I think vets want this game but a lot wont go out and buy a PSP for it (as in the case of Portable Ops). Only reason I am is because I got a psp as a gift recently. Since the younger ones already have it they wont have to make the difficult decision of dropping $200 just for one game they really want. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 01:33:18 AM Post #128 |
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Yeah, that's true, I'm sadly one of those people right now and think that since my birthday is coming up, I may do it, but I could always just buy/rent the game and borrow a PSP from someone, really. I think that would be better because it's hard to predict how the future of MG will evolve on PSP. I doubt it will go much further (in terms of the main plotline) on the handheld console to be honest, unless Kojima decides upon any remakes on the PSP rather than PS3 (which WOULD be a bitch). Roy, I get what you mean but noone used the term "mature" westerners, so I don't think we're sounding pretentious at all. But I see what you mean. The trailer in question was developed for the Japanese' eyes and not ours, I suppose, so really, it's pointless to debate, but Kojima must have been aware of his exposure to the Western audience and the impact it may have. Either way, I actually think you're right there! But Sad is right in that, he was intending to appeal to a certain audience with this trailer, that much is obvious. Edited by The_GhosT, Apr 5 2010, 01:34:02 AM.
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| Roy | Apr 5 2010, 01:44:03 AM Post #129 |
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What impact Goddammit? Some fools on a measly forum saying they don't like looking at boobs? I'm pretty sure 99% of the whole world couldn't give a flying fuck. Its not in the slightest bit respective of the game. Paz isn't going to have the tits out half the time and the aim of the game and Big Boss's motive isn't to collect underage war oraphans throughout the game using the Fulton to start up his own brothel. This isn't respective of Kojima's change in audience either. Does he expect this so called younger audience to look at this and think "fuck me look at those b00bs flash up for half a second, I want this game!" this isn't going to make anyone want to buy the game so its not some kind of marketing strategy, its not a trailer to make people want to play the game, it not aimed at anyone! Its just a fucking joke, if you don't like it then get over it but stop sprouting pretentious bullshit. |
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| sadistic_greyfox | Apr 5 2010, 01:51:08 AM Post #130 |
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Ghost, The PSP is by no means a bad console/handheld, whatever you want to call it but a decent bit of the folks I've talked to said they'll most likly wait for the cutscenes to go up on Youtube and watch it all there. It might move a few unit because of the the "vets" but I don't think it'll do the same as a console seller like MGS4 or Halo did for their respected consoles. With Youtube you get instant gratification which sucks since folks don't have to play the games anymore. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 01:51:43 AM Post #131 |
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"Fools on a measly forum"? Mate, you're on here giving your opinion just the same as us. Doesn't mean it's any more correct or not. That's pretty harsh words, I'm surprised a mod or someone isn't saying anything here, you're being pretty offensive about the subject! Ok, I'm gonna stop debating about it seriously now.Sad: Yeah, I get you, man. I definately wont be doing that, though, I have to admit. Like I said, although I may not fork out the £200-odd for a PSP with PW, I definately would go to the lengths of borrowing a PSP and renting the game to play it. I don't think anyone would have the right to judge the game fully if they've only watched YouTube clips. I agree with you, that's pretty sad if that's the future of gaming! Edited by The_GhosT, Apr 5 2010, 01:54:11 AM.
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| JohnKiller118 | Apr 5 2010, 01:54:38 AM Post #132 |
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OH WHO FUCKING CARES ANYMORE?!!!!! NEITHER SIDE IS GOING TO CONVINCE THE OTHER SIDE IN THIS ARGUMENT! LETS GIVE IT UP! Edited by JohnKiller118, Apr 5 2010, 01:56:20 AM.
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 01:56:20 AM Post #133 |
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Well said. I'd like to actually debate since that's what this thread/forum's point is! I thought I could after we all let it cool, but I'm giving up now. |
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| Roy | Apr 5 2010, 01:58:42 AM Post #134 |
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Woah fool, thats damn offensive. Hope no one calls me that. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 01:59:39 AM Post #135 |
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lol You know what I mean, man. It's just not very mature or nice of you to go throwing it around at people because you don't agree with them. |
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| Roy | Apr 5 2010, 02:01:39 AM Post #136 |
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okcool, now respond to ma post pls. |
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 02:07:45 AM Post #137 |
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lol Cool! Well, I think in a lot of ways, it's little more than a marketing strategy (other than it's obvious comical elements), to make the intended "younger" audience more engaged with the game by presenting them with someone who looks a little younger herself, and in this more "immature" state. But like I said (I think you missed it), I don't at all think her sexual portrayal is representative or respective of the game's content or plot, I've even said in the earliest posts, I understand how the Japanese may see this as humour, but it just doesn't tickle MY humour balls in the slightest, so I do agree with you in these aspects.
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| Roy | Apr 5 2010, 02:15:08 AM Post #138 |
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So we can agree this has no affect on Peace Walker and should not change anyone's option about what the game is going to be like and therefore who Peace Walker is aimed at?
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| The_GhosT | Apr 5 2010, 02:16:50 AM Post #139 |
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Haha, yeah definately man, that was never my point and I never intended to make that assumption anyway! lol
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| sadistic_greyfox | Apr 5 2010, 02:21:38 AM Post #140 |
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Ohh it has no impact on what the game is going to be like, it's all for advertising (hopefully it works as well as it worked on the forum of having people recognize the game). But who knows what if Big boss snaps and goes on a raping/dancing rampage, what will you say then Roy?
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Mate, you're on here giving your opinion just the same as us. Doesn't mean it's any more correct or not. That's pretty harsh words, I'm surprised a mod or someone isn't saying anything here, you're being pretty offensive about the subject! Ok, I'm gonna stop debating about it seriously now.
(hopefully it works as well as it worked on the forum of having people recognize the game). But who knows what if Big boss snaps and goes on a raping/dancing rampage, what will you say then Roy?

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