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Release Buzz?; Peace Walker released today right?
Topic Started: Apr 29 2010, 09:51:26 PM (2,207 Views)
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May 2 2010, 06:24:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Cunningham whipping Big Boss with an electric baton, shoving his prosthetic leg into Big Boss's groin, and then whipping him with the baton is torture, especially seeing how his intent in doing so was to squeeze the information out of Snake. Doesn't matter if Snake was resistant to physical torture: He was also resistant to it in Metal Gear Solid 3 when Volgin tortured him, and that was still considered torture.
Ah, I remember that part!
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Still, I was thinking along the lines of a button mashing scene, like in MGS1.

Edit: lol, he forgot to draw the eye-patch.

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A far better example would be Metal Gear Solid 4, as that game really didn't have a torture sequence (the closest to an actual torture sequence is when Liquid Ocelot humiliated Snake by ramming his stun knife into his hand.).
...or the Microwave room.
There's even button mashing! Hooray!

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Umm... it's called an advertizing gimmick.
Oh, and the statements that say MPO was required to understand MGS4's plot weren't? ;)

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The creators of the Resident Evil series also stated that Resident Evil 5 was going to be the true sequel to Resident Evil (the first game released, I mean). By your logic, all of the games between 1 and 5, and even some games before it (ie, RE0) were just unimportant noncanonical games.
I don't recall any of them saying that.

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Portable Ops was definitely important and canon, deal with it.
Portable Ops sucks ass and is non-canon and Null is a shitty retcon and MGS1 didn't say Big Boss told Snake about their relationship in Zanzibar Land.
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Oh, and the statements that say MPO was required to understand MGS4's plot weren't? ;)


Considering how EVA mentioned that the CIA wanted to get rid of her and set up the Virtuous Mission just for that to Solid Snake, her mentioning that Ocelot and Zero were the ones who founded the Patriots, as well as even including images from Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops in the game, no, it wasn't an advertizing gimmick. And yes, those were the result of Portable Ops. Without it, I'm pretty sure that most of the players would be confused about EVA's speech (since the ending of MGS3 implied that The Boss having to be killed was actually a decision made after an unplanned factor with Volgin launching the Davy Crockett, and not actually planned all along, as well as it being implied in Ocelot's call that the founder of the Patriots was actually the DCI, not Zero as MGS4 revealed. Heck, Portable Ops even made it quite clear that Zero was the guy who founded the Patriots (he was referred to as "the man with the same codename as Null" by Gene, and Null is german for Zero.). Be honest, if you never played Portable Ops or never even heard of it at all, and you played Metal Gear Solid 4 directly after Metal Gear Solid 3, do you honestly think that you'd actually understand that Zero and Ocelot were the ones who initiated the Patriots instead of the DCI (which, BTW, the ending of MGS3 did imply that the DCI was the one who created the Patriots). In fact, making Zero seem like the one who started the Patriots, without Portable Ops would seem like a very random decision (as it was never implied in Metal Gear Solid 3 that he started it. At least Portable Ops gave slight hints like "the man with the same codename as Null").

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The creators of the Resident Evil series also stated that Resident Evil 5 was going to be the true sequel to Resident Evil (the first game released, I mean). By your logic, all of the games between 1 and 5, and even some games before it (ie, RE0) were just unimportant noncanonical games.
I don't recall any of them saying that.


I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere. It was sometime during it's development.

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1. Considering the fact that even the Peace Walker Timeline counted it as canon, as well as Metal Gear Solid 4 referring to it (at least with graphic novel stills), it's still canon, regardless of what you think.

2. Null is an expansion, not a retcon. There's a difference between the two. Retcons involve an actual erasure of continuity, similar to that of Training Daze from Pokemon Chronicles.

3. It was implied to be in Zanzibar Land.
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MGS4 didn't reference MPO. MPO referenced MGS4!
Yes, there's a difference.
All the MPO team did was take elements from MGS4's story and made a prequel out of it.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore because this isn't the thread for it.
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May 2 2010, 05:59:58 PM
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May 2 2010, 05:41:09 PM
only because its not canon doesn't mean it's no metal gear.
I mean a TRUE Metal Gear game. Not a card battle/Pokemon rip-off.

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Btw portable ops is canon isn't it?

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In late August, Konami released more details about the game. They stated that the game will feature an online mode and a single-player mode that continues the canon Metal Gear story, unlike the previous PSP Metal Gear games Metal Gear Acid and Metal Gear Acid 2.
Don't try to insult my intelligence. I know it's officially canon (though I personally don't consider it canon, and Weedle isn't going to change that.) However, the gameplay itself simply isn't Metal Gear. In fact, more recently, Kojima himself said that Portable Ops is now simply an unimportant side-story, and that Peace Walker will be the first true Metal Gear game on the PSP.
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dude calm down we're talking about a video game.

Btw what would you think if i tell you that metal gear solid 3 is no metal gear because i say I got no metal gear feeling?... stupid isn't it? And of course kojima says that his new game is much better then the old one, he wants you to buy it after all!
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May 2 2010, 07:05:42 PM
dude calm down we're talking about a video game.
Okay, why do people think I'm always angry?

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Btw what would you think if i tell you that metal gear solid 3 is no metal gear because i say I got no metal gear feeling?... stupid isn't it?
Okay, let me break it down for you;
MGS3 is canon. AC!D and AC!D 2 are not. MPO is canon (unfortunately.)

MPO has a torture scene.
AC!D and AC!D 2 do not.

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And of course kojima says that his new game is much better then the old one, he wants you to buy it after all!
I didn't say he thinks PW is better. I said he says that PW is the first true Metal Gear game on the PSP.
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May 2 2010, 07:12:50 PM
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May 2 2010, 07:05:42 PM
dude calm down we're talking about a video game.
Okay, why do people think I'm always angry?

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Btw what would you think if i tell you that metal gear solid 3 is no metal gear because i say I got no metal gear feeling?... stupid isn't it?
Okay, let me break it down for you;
MGS3 is canon. AC!D and AC!D are not. MPO is canon (unfortunately.)

MPO has a torture scene.
AC!D and AC!D 2 do not.

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And of course kojima says that his new game is much better then the old one, he wants you to buy it after all!
I didn't say he thinks PW is better. I said he says that PW is the first true Metal Gear game on the PSP.
this game is better = THAT'S MY FIRST REAL METAL GEAR WOHOOOOOOOOO!!!
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i thought youre angry because you wrote that i would criticize youre intelligencs. How ever i agree with the rest i forgot the torture in portable ops :innocent:
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May 2 2010, 07:16:22 PM
this game is better = THAT'S MY FIRST REAL METAL GEAR WOHOOOOOOOOO!!!
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That's not how it works...

He's saying that all previous Metal Gear games on the PSP are not important (just look at how many people were able to grasp MGS4's story without playing MPO.)

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i thought youre angry because you wrote that i would criticize youre intelligencs. How ever i agree with the rest i forgot the torture in portable ops :innocent:
Good. I'm glad we got all of that sorted out. :)
Edited by JohnKiller118, May 2 2010, 07:20:39 PM.
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May 2 2010, 07:05:30 PM
MGS4 didn't reference MPO. MPO referenced MGS4!
Yes, there's a difference.
All the MPO team did was take elements from MGS4's story and made a prequel out of it.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore because this isn't the thread for it.
Fine. I'm tired of having to constantly tell you anyways.

However, Portable Ops was actually made before Guns of the Patriots.

Release date(s) for Portable Ops:

America: December 5th, 2006
Japan: December 21st, 2006
EU: May 4th, 2007
Austrailia: May 15th, 2007

Release date for Guns of the Patriots:
June 12th, 2008 (International Release)

How can a game, made before another game, reference the game that hasn't even been released yet? You can't reference the future, so they couldn't have done what you said they did (taking elements from Metal Gear Solid 4's story and make a prequel out of it) because Metal Gear Solid 4 was released AFTER Portable Ops. In order for it to be what you said it would be, it needs to be the other way around (Metal Gear Solid 4 was released first, and then Portable Ops was released afterwards.).

Not to mention that development for both Portable Ops and Metal Gear Solid 4 developed around the same time, given the E3 announcements and the Sony press conferences (The announcement for both games happened in 2005.).
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May 2 2010, 07:20:21 PM
JohnKiller118
May 2 2010, 07:05:30 PM
MGS4 didn't reference MPO. MPO referenced MGS4!
Yes, there's a difference.
All the MPO team did was take elements from MGS4's story and made a prequel out of it.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore because this isn't the thread for it.
Fine. I'm tired of having to constantly tell you anyways.

However, Portable Ops was actually made before Guns of the Patriots.

Release date(s) for Portable Ops:

America: December 5th, 2006
Japan: December 21st, 2006
EU: May 4th, 2007
Austrailia: May 15th, 2007

Release date for Guns of the Patriots:
June 12th, 2008 (International Release)

How can a game, made before another game, reference the game that hasn't even been released yet? You can't reference the future, so they couldn't have done what you said they did (taking elements from Metal Gear Solid 4's story and make a prequel out of it) because Metal Gear Solid 4 was released AFTER Portable Ops. In order for it to be what you said it would be, it needs to be the other way around (Metal Gear Solid 4 was released first, and then Portable Ops was released afterwards.).

Not to mention that development for both Portable Ops and Metal Gear Solid 4 developed around the same time, given the E3 announcements and the Sony press conferences (The announcement for both games happened in 2005.).
Then you're obviously unable to read between the lines.

I meant that, during the development of both games, the writers of MPO's story took elements from MGS4's script, said "it's required to understand MGS4's story" as a marketing gimmick. Just look at how many people were able to grasp MGS4's story without it. ;)

They also said that the game was built from the ground up from scratch, which is also bullshit. It's a bad port of the MGS3 engine, clunky controls and all.

Edit: Okay guys, can we please get back on topic?

I lasted over a year and a half without getting completely spoiled with MGS4. I'm sure I can wait a month.
Edited by JohnKiller118, May 2 2010, 07:35:24 PM.
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May 2 2010, 07:21:42 PM
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May 2 2010, 07:20:21 PM
JohnKiller118
May 2 2010, 07:05:30 PM
MGS4 didn't reference MPO. MPO referenced MGS4!
Yes, there's a difference.
All the MPO team did was take elements from MGS4's story and made a prequel out of it.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore because this isn't the thread for it.
Fine. I'm tired of having to constantly tell you anyways.

However, Portable Ops was actually made before Guns of the Patriots.

Release date(s) for Portable Ops:

America: December 5th, 2006
Japan: December 21st, 2006
EU: May 4th, 2007
Austrailia: May 15th, 2007

Release date for Guns of the Patriots:
June 12th, 2008 (International Release)

How can a game, made before another game, reference the game that hasn't even been released yet? You can't reference the future, so they couldn't have done what you said they did (taking elements from Metal Gear Solid 4's story and make a prequel out of it) because Metal Gear Solid 4 was released AFTER Portable Ops. In order for it to be what you said it would be, it needs to be the other way around (Metal Gear Solid 4 was released first, and then Portable Ops was released afterwards.).

Not to mention that development for both Portable Ops and Metal Gear Solid 4 developed around the same time, given the E3 announcements and the Sony press conferences (The announcement for both games happened in 2005.).
Then you're obviously unable to read between the lines.

I meant that, during the development of both games, the writers of MPO's story took elements from MGS4's script, said "it's required to understand MGS4's story" as a marketing gimmick. Just look at how many people were able to grasp MGS4's story without it. ;)

They also said that the game was built from the ground up from scratch, which is also bullshit. It's a shit port of the MGS3 engine, clunky controls and all.

Edit: Okay guys, can we please get back on topic?
How would one read between the lines in regards to Zero and Ocelot?

Last I checked, Ocelot was talking to the CIA Director in that post-credit's conversation in Metal Gear Solid 3, not Zero, in regards to reviving the American Philosophers to essentially form The Patriots. Zero was only an agent of the CIA, not the Director. There is absolutely no way he would have been able to form the Patriots with Zero if, as MGS3's ending implies, the CIA director was the one who formed it. It would cause confusion amongst even those who did have good line reading skills.

Heck, EVA never even mentioned anything about The Boss's death being planned from the beginning. Heck, if anything, it was moreorless stated that The Boss's death was actually staged as a result of Volgin firing the Davy Crockett as a result of a flaw in the plan, an unplanned factor. While it is true that they could have had EVA discover it later on, the fact they kept that in MGS4, and not used the explaination used in Metal Gear Solid 3 is enough to prove that it is canon.

And I am more than capable of reading between the lines, BTW. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have argued that Gray Fox was transferred to Mozambique from Vietnam, instead saying it was all a retcon, never originating from Vietnam at all, also concluding that, at the same time, Gray Fox would never have participated in the Mozambician Civil War at all. (gee, does that sound familiar?).

EDIT: Ok, going back on topic, there are live playthroughs of Peace Walker, as well as some sites posting cutscenes such as Youtube, and also Justin.tv doing a playthrough of Peace Walker. I'd say there's enough hype as it is.
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^How come people tell me to calm down, when Weedle is the one acting even more pissed off than I usually am?

Anyway. you know what else is canon?
The database, which you yourself admit that you ignore.
If you're going to go into a hissy fit about how MPO is canon, then you must also accept Big Boss being a Snatcher, Solidus being the one that erased Raiden's memories, and so on.

I ignore both. Deal with it.

Give. It. Up.

Edit: Okay, I'll end this argument now. Neither party is going to change their minds. I'm sorry for bringing this mess off-topic.
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^How come people tell me to calm down, when Weedle is the one acting even more pissed off than I usually am?

Anyway. you know what else is canon?
The database, which you yourself admit that you ignore.
If you're going to go into a hissy fit about how MPO is canon, then you must also accept Big Boss being a Snatcher, Solidus being the one that erased Raiden's memories, and so on.

I ignore both. Deal with it.

Give. It. Up.


I might as well ignore all of the games if that is the case. Heck, ignore everything in the Metal Gear franchise. Most of the Database, unlike MPO, were not referenced even in Metal Gear Solid 4 (At least MPO had EVA's speech and stills from the game itself to prove it was canon in MGS4.). Did they mention Big Boss having Snatcher organs in MGS4 itself? no! Did they ever mention Solidus being the one who erased Raiden's memories in MGS4? No. The only things guaranteed to be canon in the Database are those pertained to MGS4 itself, and even that is severely limited due to the contradictions involving Liquid's arm.

EDIT: My apologies as well for my contribution. I will end now. I was getting tired of it anyways. I'll end as long as JohnKiller stops as well. As long as I'm on here, he shouldn't mention anything about MPO.
Edited by Weedle_McHairybug, May 2 2010, 08:03:43 PM.
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You see, we're never going to end this argument, because both of us want to have the last word.

I could say more, but to be honest, I don't care. Neither party is going to change minds. Let's stop talking about it and get back on topic.
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You see, we're never going to end this argument, because both of us want to have the last word.

I could say more, but to be honest, I don't care. Neither party is going to change minds. Let's stop talking about it and get back on topic.
Good Idea. I also want the arguement to end. I'm tired of having to point these things out to you anyways.

Anyways. There is the possibility of it being the torture scene. There's also the possibility of it being something else entirely.

Also, There was quite a bit of a release buzz, given the playthrough live-streams, Justin.tv, and Youtube.
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I'm tired of having to point these things out to you anyways.
:glare: :roll:

Stop trying to get the last word.

Anyway, I heard someone say that there is a torture scene, so...
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I'm tired of having to point these things out to you anyways.
:glare: :roll:

Stop trying to get the last word.
Why not? You tried to get the last word yourself. All I did was acknowledge the arguement was over. Honestly, if it were up to me, I'd ensure that ALL arguements ceased to exist.
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Stop shitting on my topic! Geez.
Well, to respond to your topic, there already is a bit of hype in the releases anyways. This is including live playthroughs, Justin.tv doing a playthrough, and Youtube posting cutscenes.
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You see, we're never going to end this argument, because both of us want to have the last word.

I could say more, but to be honest, I don't care. Neither party is going to change minds. Let's stop talking about it and get back on topic.
There was nothing in this post that would even imply that I wanted the last word. In fact, I wanted to do the exact opposite.
That "I'm tired of having to point these things out to you anyways" line was you trying to get the last word.

Look, I know it's officially canon. I just don't care. What I think is not going to affect how you understand the story.
Give. It. Up.
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