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I have a question of peacewalker. I have not played it yet, but I don't care about spoilers since I know I'm not getting a psp.
the game is set in 1974, 2 years after the les enfantes terrible project. Big Boss was in a coma when the project occured, but was there anything to hint that he was in a coma in 1972 inside peacewalker?
Can you post the entire story of the les enfantes terrible project inside peacewalker?
EDIT: shit, can a moderator move this into the spoilers forums? I just realized there was one after I posted.
"Snake. We're not tools of the government, or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing... the only thing I was good at. But... at least I always fought for what I believed in. "
as long as it's in this section I'll put it in spoiler tags.
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To say it simple: Neither BBs coma nor the les enfants project are mentioned at all throughout the game. There is only one "secret" phone conversation between Miller and Zero where they talk about it. Miller says something like "two? already?" so it's safe to say that Solid as well as Liquid already were born by that time. It's also safe to say that BB doesn't know anything about the project yet.
In any case the game doesn't mention at all how exactly the Patriots were created, why exactly BB and Zero parted ways, how BB met Eva again or what the reason was that he fell into a coma.
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker ...Hideo you dog you did it again... ...expect the unexpected...
as long as it's in this section I'll put it in spoiler tags.
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To say it simple: Neither BBs coma nor the les enfants project are mentioned at all throughout the game. There is only one "secret" phone conversation between Miller and Zero where they talk about it. Miller says something like "two? already?" so it's safe to say that Solid as well as Liquid already were born by that time. It's also safe to say that BB doesn't know anything about the project yet.
In any case the game doesn't mention at all how exactly the Patriots were created, why exactly BB and Zero parted ways, how BB met Eva again or what the reason was that he fell into a coma.
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Was that Miller in the secret phone call? I always thought it was young Ocelot. Gonna listen again now...
as long as it's in this section I'll put it in spoiler tags.
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To say it simple: Neither BBs coma nor the les enfants project are mentioned at all throughout the game. There is only one "secret" phone conversation between Miller and Zero where they talk about it. Miller says something like "two? already?" so it's safe to say that Solid as well as Liquid already were born by that time. It's also safe to say that BB doesn't know anything about the project yet.
In any case the game doesn't mention at all how exactly the Patriots were created, why exactly BB and Zero parted ways, how BB met Eva again or what the reason was that he fell into a coma.
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Was that Miller in the secret phone call? I always thought it was young Ocelot. Gonna listen again now...
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Is Miller Master Miller, or a different Miller?
Quote:
"Snake. We're not tools of the government, or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing... the only thing I was good at. But... at least I always fought for what I believed in. "
as long as it's in this section I'll put it in spoiler tags.
Spoiler: click to toggle
To say it simple: Neither BBs coma nor the les enfants project are mentioned at all throughout the game. There is only one "secret" phone conversation between Miller and Zero where they talk about it. Miller says something like "two? already?" so it's safe to say that Solid as well as Liquid already were born by that time. It's also safe to say that BB doesn't know anything about the project yet.
In any case the game doesn't mention at all how exactly the Patriots were created, why exactly BB and Zero parted ways, how BB met Eva again or what the reason was that he fell into a coma.
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Was that Miller in the secret phone call? I always thought it was young Ocelot. Gonna listen again now...
In any case the game doesn't mention at all how exactly the Patriots were created, why exactly BB and Zero parted ways, how BB met Eva again or what the reason was that he fell into a coma.
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And that's my biggest gripe with the game. Basically, nothing we didn't already know (or at least stuff that we care about) was included in the game. It was a bit of a wasted opportunity in that respect. However, what I can say is that Big Boss fell into a coma in '72 after a perilous mission where he was injured, which is when the US government/ Zero took advantage of his state to enact the LET project. Whether or not he knew about this was slightly inclear, but it's confusing; we're led to believe that Big Boss found out about this and broke away from The Patriots, with Zero using this as leverage against Big Boss later on, but then how could it not have been mentioned once in PW and did he know about it by PW? I don't know. Somehow they'll write it in. Maybe. It also doesn't explain why Eva didn't mention it in any tapes in PW. They were meant to have met each other before the birth of Liquid and Solid, so perhaps they extracted his DNA but didn't actually perform the experiments until after PW. I don't know if that adds up with Solid and Liquid's birth date, but whatever, I'm tired right now!
PUT YOUR FUCKING COCK IN-BETWEEN MY ARMPIT NOW SO I CAN MAKE A FART NOISE ON YOUR BELL-END.
Mickey
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.
"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
Yarp. Kazuhira Miller is Master Miller. There's a timeline at the end of the game, like in Snake Eater, and the very last line is something like '2005: Kazuhira Miller is found assassinated in his apartment.'
I don't think that there is any specific proove/hint that shows if BB knows about LET or not but considering the fact that it never is mentioned despite in the secret phone call I believe that it's pretty safe to say that BB didn't know about it. Yes, the "last straw" for BBs and Zeros hatered was the LET project but PW only shows the beginning of this "cold war" between the two. IMO they aren't bitter enemies yet. This is hopefully still to come.
Miller also definately is "Master" Miller from MG 2. Why "Master"? Still to come as well.
Anyway I definately agree with The Ghost. So many very important things happened before PW that are never explained. IMO PW is storywise one step too far. A game between PO and PW is certainly missing.
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker ...Hideo you dog you did it again... ...expect the unexpected...
That's true, I agree, and I'm also hoping that there is a future game that describes events after PW. I know PW's purpose was to explain this, but it more-so was a tease of events proceeding PW. It seemed the whole time like I was waiting for something big to happen but as I said, it felt more like it led to an even further tease by the end of it. A game about Zero/Big Boss' war and the revelation of LET and proceeding events from there would be great, but I could see this being placed into a remake of MG1 and 2 as a flashback or precursor of some kind.
PUT YOUR FUCKING COCK IN-BETWEEN MY ARMPIT NOW SO I CAN MAKE A FART NOISE ON YOUR BELL-END.
Mickey
I dont use cake for fatties. I find it easier to use Bacon draped over my rancid sore ridden pork dagger.
"Ya cyan't see dah eye ah' dah deman... 'til he coom cahlin'..." “Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!” "Can I sleep in your room? I don't want to sleep on the hide-a bed with Fuller. If he has something to drink, he'll wet the bed." "I wouldn't let you sleep in my room... IF YOU WERE GROWING ON MY ASS."
Miller also definately is "Master" Miller from MG 2. Why "Master"? Still to come as well.
He was called Master by his students when he trained them at FOXHOUND. I don't know why he's caled McDonall Benedict Miller in MGS1 though. I assume when he came to FOXHOUND he changed his name to something more American.
Paz mentioned Zero and Big Boss had it in for each other. MGS4 tells us LET Project was the final straw and basically why it happened. It's not too unreasonable to believe BB knows about the project, and just doesn't talk about it. It's also reasonable to speculate that BB was mearly fed up with the lies Zero made up about him to make him seem god-like and he has yet to find out about LET. The finding of such may lead to Outer Heaven, and why Miller tells Solid Snake in MG2 that BB is a monster.
Also...
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I always thought everything Miller and BB told solid snake in MG 1 and 2 was a ruse set up by them against the patriots. I always imagined the Patriots got to miller somehow, likely by kidnapping his daughter. Anywho, Big Boss's true goal was to fight the patriots. With leverage against Miller its reasonable to say he cracked under pressure. This is all speculation of course. I really do wish LET was covered in PW :/
I don't think it's particularly hard to piece together.
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The thing is, we don't NEED to know how exactly BB fell into a Coma, the only important thing is that he did and it was in battle. We already know why Zero and Big Boss parted, because EVA tells us in MGS4. If Peace Walker was to cover these story aspects, it would just be a visual representation of what we already know. Peace Walker is a new story and it focuses on the whole Big Boss/Boss dynamic. We already have this list of events from 1964 to the late 90s that changed Big Boss, PW adds to that list rather than elaborating on something we basically already get the gist of. It's the same reason we don't have a Grey Fox game.
There are some things I'd like to see though. I'd like to see Big Boss' reaction to LET.
Kojima will keep dragging the series out by doing stuff like this anyway, so he's always got room to milk some money from it if he needs to.
I had some questions, I want to see what you all think:
1: Do you think it's plausible to think that Zero may have given Big Boss a mission before the enactment of LET deliberately to have BB come back in a coma/unconscious?
2: Given the secret call between Zero and Miller in PW, I think it's safe to assume that the 2 sons that are mentioned are Solid and Liquid. Does that mean that Solidus isn't born/created yet, or is he kept as more of a secret than SS or LS?
3: If you think Solidus has not been born/created yet in PW, do you think that Paz could be his surrogate mother, or is it still EVA? I bring up Paz because of the speculation in the game that she may not be dead after all, and maybe her punishment for failing her mission is to hive birth to Solidus.
4: I was thinking about this under the impression that SS and LS were the first 2 sons of BB before Solidus: what was the purpose of having 2 modified clones of BB and one perfect clone of BB? I was thinking that perhaps the cloning technology in 1972 was not good enough to create perfect clones and thus 2 experimental Snakes were born with different expressions of Big Boss' genes. Solidus was then created when that technology was discovered. And since SS and LS were already born, the Patriots used them as pawns while they used Solidus as their figurehead.
I had some questions, I want to see what you all think:
1: Do you think it's plausible to think that Zero may have given Big Boss a mission before the enactment of LET deliberately to have BB come back in a coma/unconscious?
2: Given the secret call between Zero and Miller in PW, I think it's safe to assume that the 2 sons that are mentioned are Solid and Liquid. Does that mean that Solidus isn't born/created yet, or is he kept as more of a secret than SS or LS?
3: If you think Solidus has not been born/created yet in PW, do you think that Paz could be his surrogate mother, or is it still EVA? I bring up Paz because of the speculation in the game that she may not be dead after all, and maybe her punishment for failing her mission is to hive birth to Solidus.
4: I was thinking about this under the impression that SS and LS were the first 2 sons of BB before Solidus: what was the purpose of having 2 modified clones of BB and one perfect clone of BB? I was thinking that perhaps the cloning technology in 1972 was not good enough to create perfect clones and thus 2 experimental Snakes were born with different expressions of Big Boss' genes. Solidus was then created when that technology was discovered. And since SS and LS were already born, the Patriots used them as pawns while they used Solidus as their figurehead.
What are your thoughts?
When he says 2 already, he means that the clones are 2 years old (LET 1972 PW 1974)
I don't think it's particularly hard to piece together.
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The thing is, we don't NEED to know how exactly BB fell into a Coma, the only important thing is that he did and it was in battle. We already know why Zero and Big Boss parted, because EVA tells us in MGS4. If Peace Walker was to cover these story aspects, it would just be a visual representation of what we already know. Peace Walker is a new story and it focuses on the whole Big Boss/Boss dynamic. We already have this list of events from 1964 to the late 90s that changed Big Boss, PW adds to that list rather than elaborating on something we basically already get the gist of. It's the same reason we don't have a Grey Fox game.
There are some things I'd like to see though. I'd like to see Big Boss' reaction to LET.
Kojima will keep dragging the series out by doing stuff like this anyway, so he's always got room to milk some money from it if he needs to.
Kojima loves his comas... very convenient plot elements, and characters hardly ever seem affected by them.
Hell, I love Big Boss so much that I wouldn't mind more games with him even if they aren't amazing. In fact, I'd love some shortish download games with several different characters and PW/PO-style cut scenes. I'm weird like that.
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Still, we ought to have heard more about LET. I was thinking about it this morning. (sad that I think about MGS before work like that) My biggest disappointment with the game was that it took place shortly after LET, and the entire thing seemed to have ZERO (pardon the pun) emotional impact on BB. I understand that thinking about The Boss obsessed him, but seriously... they just cloned the guy, and he knows it. He has THREE MINI-SNAKES running around now, and all we get is a MENTION? What was incredibly disappointing was that none of the EVA tapes said really... anything at all about LET despite the fact that she had just given birth to two or three children and given them up. I nitpick, but honestly, LET was such an easy source of emotional trauma, and as much as I love The Boss, I wouldn't have missed her if the story had focused more on BB's CURRENT issues.
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