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is Revengance canon?
Topic Started: Feb 21 2012, 06:29:01 PM (1,391 Views)
Viz
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I'm pretty sure it's not canon.

"We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series."

Even if that isn't a confirmation of it being non-canon, fans probably won't treat it as canon (similar to DMC2).
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Weedle_McHairybug
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Mar 8 2012, 04:17:23 AM
I'm pretty sure it's not canon.

"We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series."

Even if that isn't a confirmation of it being non-canon, fans probably won't treat it as canon (similar to DMC2).
And I repeat, does that mean that Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake aren't canon, either?
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Mar 8 2012, 04:13:57 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:11:15 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 03:55:46 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 03:31:53 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 02:33:16 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 02:11:12 AM
The game bases itself after MGS4 but is NOT canon, It was even on the news here, were Kojima confirms it. And if my memory doesnt fail me he later said that he was planning on doing another traditional MGS down the road.

And you can clearly see that Raiden character has change a lot, not only physical but his personality, I cant even call him Raiden, Im glad that isnt cannon
Unless you have source for this it is still uncomfirmed.
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

andriasang.com/comzba/mg_rising_details/#

So something that is not part of the series is not canon right?

srry for double post
First link doesn't work.
The second link just says it isn't part of the Solid series. That doesn't mean not canon.
And
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We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series. At present, we can't say more than this
If it isn't canon ehy can't they just say so instead of this?
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

It should work now. and did you read my post?


Read my post above yours
So... does that mean Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are non-canon as well? They aren't called "Metal Gear Solid," after all.



I did not only use the SOLID to RISING change to backup my claim I also use the RISING is not a sequel

Did Kojima said that MG and MG2 were NOT prequels? NO
But he DID said that RISING was NOT a sequel

The SOLID to RISING and not being a sequel, thats 2 strikes my friend

And BTW MG and MG2 are confirmed prequels and RISING is a confirm NONsequel SET after mgs4......errr. LOL?
Edited by Novitch, Mar 8 2012, 04:30:05 AM.
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Mar 8 2012, 04:22:59 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:13:57 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:11:15 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 03:55:46 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 03:31:53 AM
jonhou
Mar 8 2012, 02:33:16 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 02:11:12 AM
The game bases itself after MGS4 but is NOT canon, It was even on the news here, were Kojima confirms it. And if my memory doesnt fail me he later said that he was planning on doing another traditional MGS down the road.

And you can clearly see that Raiden character has change a lot, not only physical but his personality, I cant even call him Raiden, Im glad that isnt cannon
Unless you have source for this it is still uncomfirmed.
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

andriasang.com/comzba/mg_rising_details/#

So something that is not part of the series is not canon right?

srry for double post
First link doesn't work.
The second link just says it isn't part of the Solid series. That doesn't mean not canon.
And
article
 
We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series. At present, we can't say more than this
If it isn't canon ehy can't they just say so instead of this?
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

It should work now. and did you read my post?


Read my post above yours
So... does that mean Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are non-canon as well? They aren't called "Metal Gear Solid," after all.



I did not only use the SOLID to RISING change to backup my claim I also use the RISING is not a sequel

Did Kojima said that MG and MG2 were NOT prequels? NO
But he DID said that RISING was NOT a sequel

The SOLID to RISING and not being a sequel, thats 2 strikes my friend

And BTW MG and MG2 are confirmed prequels and RISING is a confirm NONsequel SET after mgs4......errr. LOL?
Yeah, well, you can try telling that to editors such as Bluerock at Metal Gear Wiki. They're going to tell you that its still not confirmed to be non-canon, as they never explicitly stated its non-canon. I'm only trying to point that out.

Personally, I don't think Revengeance should be canon due to some story errors, but the problem is that unless it is explicitly stated to be non-canon, it can't be labelled as such.
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Mar 8 2012, 12:23:27 PM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:22:59 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:13:57 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 04:11:15 AM
jonhou
Mar 8 2012, 03:55:46 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 03:31:53 AM
jonhou
Mar 8 2012, 02:33:16 AM

Quoting limited to 7 levels deep
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

andriasang.com/comzba/mg_rising_details/#

So something that is not part of the series is not canon right?

srry for double post
First link doesn't work.
The second link just says it isn't part of the Solid series. That doesn't mean not canon.
And
article
 
We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series. At present, we can't say more than this
If it isn't canon ehy can't they just say so instead of this?
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

It should work now. and did you read my post?


Read my post above yours
So... does that mean Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are non-canon as well? They aren't called "Metal Gear Solid," after all.



I did not only use the SOLID to RISING change to backup my claim I also use the RISING is not a sequel

Did Kojima said that MG and MG2 were NOT prequels? NO
But he DID said that RISING was NOT a sequel

The SOLID to RISING and not being a sequel, thats 2 strikes my friend

And BTW MG and MG2 are confirmed prequels and RISING is a confirm NONsequel SET after mgs4......errr. LOL?
Yeah, well, you can try telling that to editors such as Bluerock at Metal Gear Wiki. They're going to tell you that its still not confirmed to be non-canon, as they never explicitly stated its non-canon. I'm only trying to point that out.

Personally, I don't think Revengeance should be canon due to some story errors, but the problem is that unless it is explicitly stated to be non-canon, it can't be labelled as such.
If you want to hear from the oficials mouth that is cannon or not, then you will have to wait until the game is release and review the sales, beleive me. In a buissenes sense will not be wise by them to say is not canon, at least not now. Is not new that since the MGS saga has ended they intended to milk the saga by using the MGS in their titles to at least assure some sales, and since MGS:R failed.They were forced to change it to MGR

BTW the guys at wiki will not say whats cannon or not, I have read wikies that has had wrong content
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Mar 8 2012, 04:11:52 PM
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Mar 8 2012, 12:23:27 PM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 04:22:59 AM
Weedle_McHairybug
Mar 8 2012, 04:13:57 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 04:11:15 AM
jonhou
Mar 8 2012, 03:55:46 AM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 03:31:53 AM

Quoting limited to 7 levels deep
First link doesn't work.
The second link just says it isn't part of the Solid series. That doesn't mean not canon.
And
article
 
We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series. At present, we can't say more than this
If it isn't canon ehy can't they just say so instead of this?
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

It should work now. and did you read my post?


Read my post above yours
So... does that mean Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are non-canon as well? They aren't called "Metal Gear Solid," after all.



I did not only use the SOLID to RISING change to backup my claim I also use the RISING is not a sequel

Did Kojima said that MG and MG2 were NOT prequels? NO
But he DID said that RISING was NOT a sequel

The SOLID to RISING and not being a sequel, thats 2 strikes my friend

And BTW MG and MG2 are confirmed prequels and RISING is a confirm NONsequel SET after mgs4......errr. LOL?
Yeah, well, you can try telling that to editors such as Bluerock at Metal Gear Wiki. They're going to tell you that its still not confirmed to be non-canon, as they never explicitly stated its non-canon. I'm only trying to point that out.

Personally, I don't think Revengeance should be canon due to some story errors, but the problem is that unless it is explicitly stated to be non-canon, it can't be labelled as such.
If you want to hear from the oficials mouth that is cannon or not, then you will have to wait until the game is release and review the sales, beleive me.In a buissenes sense will not be wise by them to say is not canon, at least not now. Is not new that since the MGS saga has ended they intended to milk the saga by using the MGS in their titles to at least assure some sales, and since MGS:R failed.They were forced to change it to MGR

BTW the guys at wiki will not say whats cannon or not, I have read wikies that has had wrong content
Snake's Revenge, Ghost Babel, the Ac!d games, and possibly mobile were pretty quick to be declared non-canon, and it didn't impact their sales at all. Heck, Ghost Babel got very good reviews, and it was still made non-canon anyways. So no, I doubt sales would have any impact on whether it was actually canon or not. Besides, MG2:SS made significantly less money even in Japan, yet that was still canon, canon enough for it to be referenced in MGS, at least.
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Weedle_McHairybug
Mar 8 2012, 04:15:03 PM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:11:52 PM
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Mar 8 2012, 12:23:27 PM
novitchsnake
Mar 8 2012, 04:22:59 AM
Weedle_McHairybug
Mar 8 2012, 04:13:57 AM
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Mar 8 2012, 04:11:15 AM
jonhou
Mar 8 2012, 03:55:46 AM

Quoting limited to 7 levels deep
www.lensoftruth.com/kojima-reveals-why-solid-was-dropped-from-revengances-title/

It should work now. and did you read my post?


Read my post above yours
So... does that mean Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are non-canon as well? They aren't called "Metal Gear Solid," after all.



I did not only use the SOLID to RISING change to backup my claim I also use the RISING is not a sequel

Did Kojima said that MG and MG2 were NOT prequels? NO
But he DID said that RISING was NOT a sequel

The SOLID to RISING and not being a sequel, thats 2 strikes my friend

And BTW MG and MG2 are confirmed prequels and RISING is a confirm NONsequel SET after mgs4......errr. LOL?
Yeah, well, you can try telling that to editors such as Bluerock at Metal Gear Wiki. They're going to tell you that its still not confirmed to be non-canon, as they never explicitly stated its non-canon. I'm only trying to point that out.

Personally, I don't think Revengeance should be canon due to some story errors, but the problem is that unless it is explicitly stated to be non-canon, it can't be labelled as such.
If you want to hear from the oficials mouth that is cannon or not, then you will have to wait until the game is release and review the sales, beleive me.In a buissenes sense will not be wise by them to say is not canon, at least not now. Is not new that since the MGS saga has ended they intended to milk the saga by using the MGS in their titles to at least assure some sales, and since MGS:R failed.They were forced to change it to MGR

BTW the guys at wiki will not say whats cannon or not, I have read wikies that has had wrong content
Snake's Revenge, Ghost Babel, the Ac!d games, and possibly mobile were pretty quick to be declared non-canon, and it didn't impact their sales at all. Heck, Ghost Babel got very good reviews, and it was still made non-canon anyways. So no, I doubt sales would have any impact on whether it was actually canon or not. Besides, MG2:SS made significantly less money even in Japan, yet that was still canon, canon enough for it to be referenced in MGS, at least.
The detail that you are missing is that RISING is a blockbuster game and the ACIDS and BABELS etc. were not on the same lvl. and they were dismissed as noncanon idmiedtly. They have RISING currently on a fog since is on another lvl and are expecting(crossing their fingers) big sales from it

BTW the MG2 low sales can be explained easily because MG bloomed cuz MGS1 on the PS from that point on MGS became a blockbuster title
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This arguement is needless.


Metal Gear Rising is still unconfirmed as canon. Carry on believing it's one or the other if you want, but nothing is for sure yet, and that's a fact.
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Feb 21 2012, 06:29:01 PM
if it is canon, i would like them to explain how he got back into a cyborg outfit, since if you remember in the end of mgs4, he got a human like robotic replacement..
No it's not canon but this is easy to explain. He still had a mechanical body at the end of MGS4, so it's just a matter of swapping out his head and spine.
Huh, I always interpreted that differently. I just thought that his body parts had been placed in cold storage then reattached that it was peace and that the war had ended. Hence the scars and whatnot. Been proven in the MGS universe that limbs can be transplanted and bodies placed in storage and re-animated.
No, I think his body parts were synthetic. You can see a bar code on his shoulder.

I dont think Raiden was still a cyborg at the end, like see the scars, plus those barcodes were tattoos he had, remember when they took his gear in Arsenal? he was covered in them
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This thread is a joke right? :D

Rising originally was meant to fill in the gaps between MGS2 and MGS4, it's was being made by Kojima's "young blood". But they couldn't do it. So they moved it to another developer, who didn't want to deal with the story, so they set it after MGS4.

Why are people being so technical? Don't you have a brain to work it out? You can't write a story set for a VERY specific time period and then just move it.

And as people are being so technical, I may as well join in...MG and MG2SS are canon because they started the story...the only reason they don't have SOLID after their names is because they weren't...they were 2D games from 1987 & 1990...and as everybody knows SOLID was added because MGS was in 3D. Rising is in 3D, but doesn't have SOLID in it's name therefore it can't be in 3D...so must be one big conspiracy!!! :D
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Mar 9 2012, 12:23:10 AM
Why are people being so technical? Don't you have a brain to work it out? You can't write a story set for a VERY specific time period and then just move it.

And as people are being so technical, I may as well join in...MG and MG2SS are canon because they started the story...the only reason they don't have SOLID after their names is because they weren't...they were 2D games from 1987 & 1990...and as everybody knows SOLID was added because MGS was in 3D. Rising is in 3D, but doesn't have SOLID in it's name therefore it can't be in 3D...so must be one big conspiracy!!! :D
To be more techcal only one game in the series has been in 3D.
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HEY! They all had dimension technically.

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SEE? THAT'S VERY POORLY MADE 3RD DIMENSION!
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