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The Armory; Everything pertaining to weaponry belongs here.
Topic Started: Jun 4 2012, 02:17:17 AM (11,132 Views)
freddiegibbs


Why dont they use Desert Eagles?
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Jul 6 2012, 05:45:40 PM
The age old USMC VS. US Army conflict....
I'm from Kubinka, but I've always wanted to be a pilot in the USAF, or a marksman in the USMC. :cool:
At the end of the day I have nothing against the Army other than their dumb looking cammies. And "marksman" is actually the lowest ranking of our 3 marksman badges :D
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Jul 6 2012, 06:03:56 PM
Why dont they use Desert Eagles?
Those are Israeli. Really expensive, they need constant repair, they jam easily, the recoil is insane, very heavy, and it's HUGE.
Modern GRU soldiers use the MP-443 Grach. Back in the '60s, they used the Pistolet Makorova.
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freddiegibbs


Well I'd use Desert Eagles.


What rocket launchers do they use?
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Nowadays, GRU uses the RPG-22.
I'm sure you knew that, back in the '60s, they used the RPG-7.
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What is the difference? I mean I'm guessing it's because the RPG 7 carries 7 Rockets and the 22 carries 22.
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@SaltDog: i heard that the USMC was phaseing out the SAW in favor of the IAR because too many guys were being targeted because they had "the big gun" and so they're giving out those LMGs in replacement they look almost identical to the M16 and M4 variants that riflemen use. the same marine that let me in on this also said that he didn't like the idea, specifically because of the smaller magazine size of the new rifle. 45+1 doesn't stack up against 200. he also stated that the idea of a support gunner is to lay down heavy cover and suppress the enemy giving other members of the squad time to maneuver and pick their shots. i for one tend to agree. unless you're fighting in an urban area or a very cramped battlefield, in that case an IAR would probably be ideal with it's quick mag change and lighter weight.

personally i still like the M60 if only for nostalgia :P

if anyone's wondering about my knowledge of weaponry, i was never in the military, but i come from a long line of military family members. my father was 101st airborne, he got out just before Vietnam thankfully, my uncles weren't so lucky. one of them served in the air-force, another in the army, and i learned to shoot from all three of them :P

also i'm a gun nut very much an avid gun enthusiast
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Lol no, the RPG-7 is the seventh type of RPG, the RPG-22 is the twenty second.
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Jul 7 2012, 02:12:58 AM
@SaltDog: i heard that the USMC was phaseing out the SAW in favor of the IAR because too many guys were being targeted because they had "the big gun" and so they're giving out those LMGs in replacement they look almost identical to the M16 and M4 variants that riflemen use.
Hmm never heard of that one, but I guess that makes sense. I would think that would just be a small reason why they would further agree to phase it out. Main reason being that the accuracy makes up for the firepower... (and I'm sure saves everyone lots of 5.56) Personally I would rather have a SAW or better yet a M240B suppressing the enemy rather than a IAR while I maneuver, but like I said lots of guys who have used it in the field praise it so who knows.
Edited by SaltDog, Jul 7 2012, 02:27:03 AM.
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I've been learning about firearms since I was oh...Three, maybe? I know about a lot of World War 2-era weaponry, although I can never remember the caliber for any of them. Except the Thompson and the Garand. Man, that thing's a beautiful gun.

I personally like the SR25 for sniping. I can't stand bolt-action sniper rifles for some reason. I just like the idea that if I miss, it won't take long to fire again. Although I suppose in a combat situation if I miss I failed. On the topic of the IAR and SAWs, the IAR looks like something I'd grab if I had the choice in favor of a SAW, but it really depends on the situation. Laying down cover, sure, go with a SAW. but for something that requires precision shooting, I'd say anything but a SAW and a shotgun.
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Jul 7 2012, 02:26:04 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 02:12:58 AM
@SaltDog: i heard that the USMC was phaseing out the SAW in favor of the IAR because too many guys were being targeted because they had "the big gun" and so they're giving out those LMGs in replacement they look almost identical to the M16 and M4 variants that riflemen use.
Hmm never heard of that one, but I guess that makes sense. I would think that would just be a small reason why they would further agree to phase it out. Main reason being that the accuracy makes up for the firepower... (and I'm sure saves everyone lots of 5.56) Personally I would rather have a SAW or better yet a M240B suppressing the enemy rather than a IAR while I maneuver, but like I said lots of guys who have used it in the field praise it so who knows.
Yeah, I heard the USMC is ordering over 4000 IARs to replace the 2500 some M249s.

@Ozwald, if you use a bolt action, you won't miss.
I'm a natural born sniper, sniping rabbits and squirrels since 2005. I used a .22 LR back then, I recently started using the R-700.
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The IAR is also compatible with M16-family parts like grips and scopes and such, right?
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Yes, it is.
It has standard picatinny rails.
But for body parts and internals, I'm not sure.
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I do remember hearing that the Marine Corps is still going to keep their 249s in the armory to use at the company commanders discretion... so in other words if said CO has a hard on for the IAR those guys don't have much of a choice lol.
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Hey, I want to use the SAW!

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Jul 7 2012, 02:29:51 AM
@Ozwald, if you use a bolt action, you won't miss.
I'm a natural born sniper, sniping rabbits and squirrels since 2005. I used a .22 LR back then, I recently started using the R-700.
lol, it's pretty damn hard to miss with a .22lr you have to try to miss as far as i'm concerned. now hit something at 50 yards or so away with a 7.62x54 and it gets a little more challenging.

7.62 Nato is fun to shoot, and shooting 5.56 is a lot of fun because of the lower recoil. if i don't seat my mosin just right in my shoulder it will leave a bruise.
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Jul 7 2012, 03:44:56 AM
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Jul 7 2012, 02:29:51 AM
@Ozwald, if you use a bolt action, you won't miss.
I'm a natural born sniper, sniping rabbits and squirrels since 2005. I used a .22 LR back then, I recently started using the R-700.
lol, it's pretty damn hard to miss with a .22lr you have to try to miss as far as i'm concerned. now hit something at 50 yards or so away with a 7.62x54 and it gets a little more challenging.

7.62 Nato is fun to shoot, and shooting 5.56 is a lot of fun because of the lower recoil. if i don't seat my mosin just right in my shoulder it will leave a bruise.
I'm s'posed to be getting a Mosin for my birthday. :cool:
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It's called the M27 IAR. The US Marine Corps is starting to phase this in in place of the M249 SAW. Now I have never shot this thing myself, I was getting out as people were starting to get issued this, but from what I have heard from guys who have used it in combat over in Afgan is that this thing is bad fucking ass. It's hard to believe because it looks like a damn M4, but this thing apparently can shoot 1000 rounds out of this thing never jam and when you take it apart it looks like you fired maybe 5 rounds out of it. If anyone has any exp with the SAW you know that despite it being bad ass, it's only good and reliable if you clean the shit out of it. Apparently this thing is crazy accurate as well, more so than the SAW. And of course its not as damn heavy.

Just so you guys know a basic Marine squad is supposed to have 13 guys (3teams) one of which carries a SAW or in this case now some a IAR in every 4 man team (sometimes one guy can even have a M240B)
my gun looks like that, but the one i have is the HK 416
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it's basically the same gun, made by the same company (H&K)
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Similar, but the barrel is longer, and for normal service with the marines it's required to have a bunch of certain parts.
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