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Big Boss brain damage?
Topic Started: Mar 31 2013, 06:43:32 AM (2,529 Views)
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Alright, bear with me here. Did anyone else think that the scene in the MGS5 trailer where Miller punches a wall, Big Boss looked a little...zoned out? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xw5t45tEPWQ#t=194s (3:14-3:17). I was thinking, maybe Big Boss went through more than a coma during the attack on Mother Base? What if his head was affected and his brain was injured so that his psyche wasn't the same? Maybe he suffered head trauma that led to him not being sure of himself, and clouded his judgement and morals, leading to a different, more evil Big Boss (look how different/badass he looks from when he's on the bike). I think when Kaz is shaking him, he's trying to get his attention, but Big Boss is out of it, and Kaz, out of frustration and being worried, punches the wall. It could just be Big Boss slipping into the coma, but I dont know...Anyone else wonder about this?
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Jack the Ripper
Mar 31 2013, 06:43:32 AM
Alright, bear with me here. Did anyone else think that the scene in the MGS5 trailer where Miller punches a wall, Big Boss looked a little...zoned out? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xw5t45tEPWQ#t=194s (3:14-3:17). I was thinking, maybe Big Boss went through more than a coma during the attack on Mother Base? What if his head was affected and his brain was injured so that his psyche wasn't the same? Maybe he suffered head trauma that led to him not being sure of himself, and clouded his judgement and morals, leading to a different, more evil Big Boss (look how different/badass he looks from when he's on the bike). I think when Kaz is shaking him, he's trying to get his attention, but Big Boss is out of it, and Kaz, out of frustration and being worried, punches the wall. It could just be Big Boss slipping into the coma, but I dont know...Anyone else wonder about this?
I think it happens right after the attack on Mother Base(judging by the blood on his face), and Big Boss might be a little shaken that he was hit so close to home. I know I would if I thought I was a major threat and suddenly see my base destroyed and comrades killed before my eyes.
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Clearly right after the attack on mother base. Whatever happened threw him into cardiac arrest and put him in a 9 year coma, chances are this is more "I'm really fucked up right now" and not brain damage.
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Just to be clear, I know that this is after the attack on Mother Base, when they're escaping. I said during because I meant that if something happened to him, it happened during the attack.
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I'd presume it was just Big Boss basically being zoned out because well he's seen what he has been building up for years being destroyed with tons of (if not basically all) his comrades killed, and him and Kaz just barely escaping with their lives. Who knows, maybe their helicopter crashed afterwards which sent him into a coma and resulted in him and Kaz lying on hospital beds.
Watch this space.
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Jack the Ripper
Mar 31 2013, 06:43:32 AM
Alright, bear with me here. Did anyone else think that the scene in the MGS5 trailer where Miller punches a wall, Big Boss looked a little...zoned out? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xw5t45tEPWQ#t=194s (3:14-3:17). I was thinking, maybe Big Boss went through more than a coma during the attack on Mother Base? What if his head was affected and his brain was injured so that his psyche wasn't the same? Maybe he suffered head trauma that led to him not being sure of himself, and clouded his judgement and morals, leading to a different, more evil Big Boss (look how different/badass he looks from when he's on the bike). I think when Kaz is shaking him, he's trying to get his attention, but Big Boss is out of it, and Kaz, out of frustration and being worried, punches the wall. It could just be Big Boss slipping into the coma, but I dont know...Anyone else wonder about this?
It's difficult to predict when that scene takes place so it's hard to say where and when he would've suffered head trauma prior to that... if he did. My guess is that it occurs during the flight from Camp Omega to Motherbase and Snake has just told Miller something bad like "I tried to save them but when I got there they were already dead" then in the scene we see Miller is shaking Snake and saying something like "What do you mean they were dead.. we were supposed to rescue them and we failed!" but Snake just sits there forlornly in silence knowing they've
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I think perhaps after the destruction of mother base there may be a few more small missions in GZ? Maybe Big Boss and Kaz try to recuperate what's left of MSF and go after XOF, but after a crucial mission where maybe they finally get a lead on XOF some crazy stuff happens which throws Big Boss into a coma.
Who knows?
But from what we've seen all it looks like is the Camp Omega rescue mission, heading back to mother base and seeing it get blown to hell and then Big Boss falling into a coma. I hope there's a bit more to it than that.
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Apr 3 2013, 01:39:10 PM
I think perhaps after the destruction of mother base there may be a few more small missions in GZ? Maybe Big Boss and Kaz try to recuperate what's left of MSF and go after XOF, but after a crucial mission where maybe they finally get a lead on XOF some crazy stuff happens which throws Big Boss into a coma.
Who knows?
But from what we've seen all it looks like is the Camp Omega rescue mission, heading back to mother base and seeing it get blown to hell and then Big Boss falling into a coma. I hope there's a bit more to it than that.
Well we know that the Camp Omega part and motherbase being blown up come pretty close together because Mr. Burns and his crew hint that they're heading off to initiate the attack on motherbase at the end of the Ground Zeroes trailer. There could be some other small missions after that but personally I doubt it. I'd say as they're flying away from the fallen motherbase their chopper get hit and and crashes.. leading to Snake's coma and the start of the main game.
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I agree with others that he just had a heroic BSOD. He's in shock from watching everything he built get destroyed and Miller's trying to snap him out of it.
Edited by Solid Sam, Apr 3 2013, 09:05:14 PM.
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I love the name of this thread.
You guys are cocks

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I thought the same.
It stirred up my assumptions of how Kaz and Big Boss may or may not split apart in either a friendly way, or a bad way.(Mortal Enemies)

This also brings out how those two even end up in the hospital, and the location of the hospital(The UK flag in the hospital is peculiar)

(Also wondering what Kaz will be doing while Big Boss is in The Coma)

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Apr 3 2013, 10:50:31 PM
(Also wondering what Kaz will be doing while Big Boss is in The Coma)

I think in the canon story he goes and works for the SAS and Green Berets, but who knows? A lot of speculation is that Kaz and Big Boss are still a team during TPP, the only issue I imagine is that how would Kaz know Big Boss has woken up from his coma at all? Do they meet up again by accident or does Big Boss give him a phone call saying "hey, kaz, we need to set up a new mother base once again"
Too many questions right now!
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It's simple, Doctor makes a quick recap for Big Boss after he woke up, and part of the recap is the founding of Diamond Dogs. I don't think Diamond Dog is established after the coma, but rather within the coma, but it hasn't expanded much because they're missing the essence of Big Boss' leadership.
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Well, they don't show his left hand on that scene. Maybe he already lost it and because of the blood loss he's so "zoned out".
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Apr 3 2013, 01:39:10 PM
I think perhaps after the destruction of mother base there may be a few more small missions in GZ? Maybe Big Boss and Kaz try to recuperate what's left of MSF and go after XOF, but after a crucial mission where maybe they finally get a lead on XOF some crazy stuff happens which throws Big Boss into a coma.
Who knows?
But from what we've seen all it looks like is the Camp Omega rescue mission, heading back to mother base and seeing it get blown to hell and then Big Boss falling into a coma. I hope there's a bit more to it than that.
When GZ was first announced, Kojima said that you'll be able to walk around in Mother Base, and can leave missions whenever to do other things (remember when he flew out the helicopter?). He also said that it will be huge and an independent game that is a prologue to MGS5. If he is telling the truth, there will be more to GZ than that.

also your profile pic made me confused for a second.
Edited by Jack the Ripper, Apr 4 2013, 10:35:53 PM.
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I'm starting to think one of these games are Vita or some shit
You guys are cocks

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Symptoms[edit]Common effects of damage to the frontal lobe are varied. Patients who have experienced frontal lobe trauma may know the appropriate response to a situation but display inappropriate responses to those same situations in "real life". Similarly, emotions that are felt may not be expressed in the face or voice. For example, someone who is feeling happy would not smile, and his or her voice would be devoid of emotion. Along the same lines, though, the person may also exhibit excessive, unwarranted displays of emotion. Depression is common in stroke patients; it affects a great number of those who have experienced one. Also common along with depression is a loss of or decrease in motivation. Someone might not want to carry out normal daily activities and would not feel "up to it".[6] Those who are close to the person who has experienced the damage may notice that the person no longer behaves like him or herself.[7] This personality change is characteristic of damage to the frontal lobe and was exemplified in the case of Phineas Gage. The frontal lobe is the same part of the brain that is responsible for executive functions such as planning for the future, judgment, decision-making skills, attention span, and inhibition. These functions can decrease drastically in someone whose frontal lobe is damaged.[6]

Consequences that are seen less frequently are also varied. Confabulation may be the most frequently indicated "less common" effect. In the case of confabulation, someone gives false information while maintaining the belief that it is the truth; he or she cannot remember the accurate information. In a small number of patients, uncharacteristic cheerfulness can be noted. This effect is seen mostly in patients with lesions to the right frontal portion of the brain.[6][8]

Another infrequent effect is that of reduplicative paramnesia, in which patients believe that the location in which they currently reside is a replica of one located somewhere else. Similarly, in those who experience Capgras syndrome after frontal lobe damage, believe that an identical "replacement" has taken the identity of a close friend, relative, or other person and is posing as that person. This last effect is seen mostly in schizophrenic patients who also have a neurological disorder in the frontal lobe.[6][9]

All for Revenge...
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The dude orders people to ship out empty cardboard boxes into the field, wants a shit-ton of balloons with him during every mission, makes it a law in Zanzibar that everyone MUST salute as soon as they hear the Zanzibar National Anthem, even if there's an enemy in front of them aiming a gun at their face and orders a shit-ton of mannequins to be produced in order to "guard" his hang-glider.

I'd say he's brain damaged, yes.
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If they use the head injury as his excuse for going evil, I'll throw my controller.
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Jun 25 2014, 10:12:42 PM
If they use the head injury as his excuse for going evil, I'll throw my controller.
I'm snapping the disk man. Won't dignify it by selling it or whatever.
I doubt Kojima would go that route though, especially with the previews talking about how when you take a step back and objectively look at things you'll see how Big Boss just went into the deep end.
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