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E3 Trailer discussion thread
Topic Started: Jun 10 2013, 06:07:21 PM (18,638 Views)
Rogue Agent
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I completely missed that - thanks! That's pretty cool.

I wonder what he feels about their destruction and how he will react when he finds that Big Boss is in full revenge mode.
Edited by Rogue Agent, Oct 18 2014, 12:12:56 AM.
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AbudJasemAlBaldawi
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If he even shows up again. Was surprised to even hear him referenced in GZ.
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Oct 10 2014, 12:23:33 PM
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Oct 10 2014, 11:44:13 AM
The thing that bothers me about Eli...

It is almost too easy to guess that it's Liquid. 90% of me believes that is Liquid, but the other 10% can't help but feel suspicious of why Kojima would make it so easy to guess his identity. This is mostly because of Kojima's reputation for misleading MGS fans on a hardcore, persistent level. Again, Eli is MOST LIKELY Liquid Snake but don't forget who we're dealing with.
To put it simply, I don't think Kojima ever intended for Eli to be a secret that he's Liquid. I think he intended Eli to be seen as a kid that is a part of the story of MGSV separate from Liquid (since he isn't the Liquid we know in MGS1). Also, allowing Eli to be so obviously Liquid is really for the fans. He knows that we know that the clone kids needs to be a part of this time in Boss' story.

It's as if he's saying, "you know who it is, but he's not that guy - yet. Right now, he's just Eli".

Come to think of it, TPP will be an origin story for a lot of characters. Assuming we'll see Otacon walking around with a Gundam action figure watching Saturday Morning Animes.
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i. Third Sin. 1975 - 1976.

(a) Angola

Central arena for cold war regimes and interests, and Birth place to one of longest civil wars in modern history amounting to anything but, as national independence struggles soon opened doors for major foreign involvement from Zaire, Namibia, Cuba, Soviet Union, United States, Israel, China and South Africa, perpetuating proxy induced battles thus paving way for the most violent slave driven regime known to man that eventually encompassed seven nations, The Blood Diamond conflict, industry valuations at billions of dollars, civilian fatal totalities well above 200 thousands. Put the later into contest, Hiroshima and Nagasaki easily combined.

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2,227km north east, Ebola hits. First outbreak.

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By His 0rders, HIS comrade's aid, the transfer was a success.


9 months later, it was born, with no name, nick ("Eli").


8 years later, he was betrayed, and HE came to.






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(" ") - Origins = Hebrew = Ascension, known to gain positions of high control, such as KING, but naturally praise identity and resist governance.










ii. Gray Sun. 1977 - 1979


(b) Rhodesia/Zimbabwe

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Oct 18 2014, 11:34:15 AM
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Oct 10 2014, 11:44:13 AM
The thing that bothers me about Eli...

It is almost too easy to guess that it's Liquid. 90% of me believes that is Liquid, but the other 10% can't help but feel suspicious of why Kojima would make it so easy to guess his identity. This is mostly because of Kojima's reputation for misleading MGS fans on a hardcore, persistent level. Again, Eli is MOST LIKELY Liquid Snake but don't forget who we're dealing with.
To put it simply, I don't think Kojima ever intended for Eli to be a secret that he's Liquid. I think he intended Eli to be seen as a kid that is a part of the story of MGSV separate from Liquid (since he isn't the Liquid we know in MGS1). Also, allowing Eli to be so obviously Liquid is really for the fans. He knows that we know that the clone kids needs to be a part of this time in Boss' story.

It's as if he's saying, "you know who it is, but he's not that guy - yet. Right now, he's just Eli".

Come to think of it, TPP will be an origin story for a lot of characters. Assuming we'll see Otacon walking around with a Gundam action figure watching Saturday Morning Animes.
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DOGS IN OPEN WORLDS WITHOUT BORDERS.



i. Third Sin. 1975 - 1976.

(a) Angola

Central arena for cold war regimes and interests, and Birth place to one of longest civil wars in modern history amounting to anything but, as national independence struggles soon opened doors for major foreign involvement from Zaire, Namibia, Cuba, Soviet Union, United States, Israel, China and South Africa, perpetuating proxy induced battles thus paving way for the most violent slave driven regime known to man that eventually encompassed seven nations, The Blood Diamond conflict, industry valuations at billions of dollars, civilian fatal totalities well above 200 thousands. Put the later into contest, Hiroshima and Nagasaki easily combined.

-08 35' 21.778

2,227km north east, Ebola hits. First outbreak.

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By His 0rders, HIS comrade's aid, the transfer was a success.


9 months later, it was born, with no name, nick ("Eli").


8 years later, he was betrayed, and HE came to.






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(" ") - Origins = Hebrew = Ascension, known to gain positions of high control, such as KING, but naturally praise identity and resist governance.










ii. Gray Sun. 1977 - 1979


(b) Rhodesia/Zimbabwe

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Yeah, how can Liquid be born 9 months after 1975-1976? He was most definitely born in 1972 ;)

And bringing Ebola into it!? :D I may change my name to "ballisticEbola"?
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I'm with Max on this. Kojima has shoved down our throats the GZ event is driving his thirst for revenge. To make some event from TPP be the reason because he can't remember GZ would leave me feeling cheated. The deja Vu would just seem strange to me.
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Well, he must be out for some level of revenge from the start, otherwise Ocelot wouldn't say "We lose our chance of revenge".
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Speaking of the whole "collateral damage" thing (which is a great idea to help progress the downfall), didn't Kojima say that TPP would have a lot in common with Breaking Bad?
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Well, Kojima watches Breaking Bad (He finished Season 4) - he tweets about it and has some comparison tweets, but I'm not sure if he has directly stated that it would have a lot in common with that show, since he began watching it late into TPP's development.

With that said, it will be interesting to see Big Boss break bad. It just has to happen.
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So I was on youtube listening to the Red Band trailer and some us were throwing around conjecture as to who skullface might be,when one guy said,"+Alex Anderfall(me) It'd be awesome if Skullface was actually a Big Boss clone attempt gone horribly wrong." What do you guys think neat theory huh?
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Interesting. What's your reasoning behind this theory?
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Skull Face is too old for a BB clone, methinks.
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Its not my theory its someone else,but it would be neat
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Wouldn't that mean coping MGS1 message? Another cursed genes story? I can't imagine Kojima or anyone would like to repeat it again.
Edited by Sarin, Oct 20 2014, 09:00:53 PM.
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Oct 20 2014, 06:37:08 PM
So I was on youtube listening to the Red Band trailer and some us were throwing around conjecture as to who skullface might be,when one guy said,"+Alex Anderfall(me) It'd be awesome if Skullface was actually a Big Boss clone attempt gone horribly wrong." What do you guys think neat theory huh?
His reasoning was,because some of the dialog was similar to the stuff Boss says,phrases like "it's nothing to be ashamed of, pain gets the better of us all"
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I don't understand why Big Boss couldn't just have learnt it from Skull Face, back when they went "way back"?
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Could be a Phantom of Opera-type situation, where the Phantom could eavesdrop on private conversations and repeat them to someone as a way of screwing around with them.
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Oct 20 2014, 11:11:09 PM
I don't understand why Big Boss couldn't just have learnt it from Skull Face, back when they went "way back"?
Or the other way around.
One of the things I am most excited about is the relationship between Zero, Big Boss & Skull Face. I wanna see how that turns out.
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I was reading the questions awhile ago,and I noticed people were thinking Boss slaughtered those kids with the diamonds,but aren't some of them the same ones standing next to him when Miller,hits one with his cane?

And also did the boss seriously stab himself with that guys knife? Look at the placement of his hands at
2:56-2:58 it seems to me he forced the blade into him not away from himself.
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Yeah if you look earlier in the trailer that scene is contained in, that same DD soldier is fighting another DD and once he puts him on the floor he draws his knife. The next part of that particular scene in the trailer is the event in question, so we can only assume that BB came in to stop the confrontation as well as teach a lesson to the soldiers by making the DD who drew the knife stab him. Basically he is projecting to the soldiers, "You hurt a fellow DD you are hurting myself as well." maybe even, "Why would you stab a fellow DD but wouldn't stab me?"
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