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| Chico in TPP (Ground Zeroes Spoilers) | |
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| Thebull94 | Jul 14 2014, 07:05:09 PM Post #441 |
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So he doesn't? Where did Eagle get that idea from anyway? I never noticed no 'S' shaped scar but hey, I didn't 'analyze' is body
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| Venture | Jul 14 2014, 07:08:48 PM Post #442 |
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It's like a metal wire sewn into his skin or something. He used it to break out of prison. It's just some big boss body art. |
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| Eagle | Jul 14 2014, 07:40:10 PM Post #443 |
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Sorry about that. Maybe I should explain myself better. Keep in mind that most of this is just theories of my own and could be proven completely wrong.the scars Both scars were the "result" of a cesarian in which something had to be extracted from within them, in the Boss' case being Ocelot, and Paz, the bomb. This is meant to parallel the Boss and Paz, as stated by Kojima. From here on out, it's just speculation/theories of mine. Now, we know that the Boss was the most important person to Snake and that he made that "scar" in her honor. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to say that Chico, if he survived, which I strongly believe he did, would do the same for Paz, since she is the most important person to him. I know we still haven't seen Chico in the trailers, but as I've said before, I believe the reason for that is because he and other characters may be too important to the plot for us to see them yet. Take Grey Fox, for example. We haven't seen him in trailers and yet several people believe he will be in it. We also haven't seen Zero, and we're almost sure he will be in it. There are probably several characters in the story we haven't seen yet. And Chico has more motive than the medic and and several soldiers. Maybe not Big Boss. But Chico was tortured, not attacked, but tortured, for a week, and during that time, he also saw Paz be tortured. I'm pretty sure that builds up his character strongly with the theme of TPP, more than the Medic and many other soldiers. And I know Quiet is the main heroine of the story...I don't not have a good argument for that one, aside from the maybe Kojima meant main female character, which honestly, is an argument I hate and don't believe in. Once again, all this is just me theorizing, so don't take any of this as a fact. And sorry for the long post. Edited by Eagle, Jul 20 2014, 07:58:48 AM.
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| Eagle | Jul 14 2014, 07:51:28 PM Post #444 |
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He said it in an interview where it was revealed that the scene with Paz and the bomb would be censored in Japan, and Kojima stated that he wasn't happy with it, since it was meant to parallel Paz with a certain scene from MGS3 (which could only mean the Boss talking about her scar and her being a mother). I get that many people wouldn't like Chico being an important, heroic, preTPP Big Boss-like character (hell, the majority of the people on this forum hate him right now just because he's "annoying" and a "kid"), but honestly I enjoy these kinds of storylines and think it would be a clever twist to have the "nearly useless" child we met in PW become this major hero figure as an adult. Kinda like Hope from FFXIII. But I'm also cool with him being a Paz-avenging obsessed nomad. Yeah, that's also cool. (And far more likely). Edited by Eagle, Jul 14 2014, 08:12:26 PM.
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| Thebull94 | Jul 14 2014, 10:14:18 PM Post #445 |
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You see, I disagree. Here is why. Edited by Thebull94, Jul 14 2014, 10:17:35 PM.
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| Thebull94 | Jul 14 2014, 10:16:57 PM Post #446 |
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Why has my post went off the screen? Reposting it: EDIT: Ah, it was my stupid link I will post it in img form) Fuck it stupid link aint working. Just google 'Three act structure' ( I will repost this for the bit it is relevant too) That 'S' shape on The Boss and Big Boss is definitely meant to link the two characters (which can be interpreted as a 'snake' symbol rather than an 'S' due to it slithering off her corpse at the end off MGS3), however the 'V' shape connecting Big Boss and Paz? Let's just say for a minute it is true and not just a coincidence (what would Paz's scar look like? Seems like pure coincidence) and it was to link BB and Paz. Here is why it does not add up. You say: "Both scars were the "result" of a cesarian in which something had to be extracted from within them, in the Boss' case being Ocelot and Paz, the bomb. This is mean to parallel the Boss and Paz, as stated by Kojima." Well if the fact that Paz and The Boss have a cesarian would that not make Paz, connected to The Boss, rather than Big Boss, due to the scar on Big Boss not being from a cesarian, and rather something entirely different? Then if you think about it from a more rational stand point, the 'v' symbol on paz might not mean nothing at all, due to the fact that The Boss directly bringing up her scar AND it's symbolism whereas the scar on Paz just gets ignored and most people didn't even notice. "From here on out, it's just speculation/theories of mine." You are entitled to it, it is interesting but hey may as well debate it rather than talk about Solidus or some other crap :L "Now, we know that the Boss was the most important person to Snake and that he made that "scar" in her honor." Yes, which is why Paz is more connected to 'The Boss' rather than Big Boss due to the context of the scars. Heck that is if the scar on Paz isn't just purely coincidental (which I think it is). "And Chico has more motive than the medic and and several soldiers. Maybe not Big Boss. But Chico was tortured, not attacked, but tortured, for a week, and during that time, he also saw Paz be tortured. I'm pretty sure that builds up his character strongly with the theme of TPP, more than the Medic and many other soldiers." Yea, they were just examples referencing the other soldiers than got it bad, I GENUINELY think Chico and Paz being captured, in love etc was nothing more than the traditional baseline plots tend to follow, which is the 'Three Act Structure' (referenced by another youtuber, in the same context as this) which is essentially this: With the Chico and Paz, being the 'Inciting Incident'. Fuck it stupid link aint working. Just google 'Three act structure' "And sorry for the long post." Apology not un-needed given your theory does have logic to it, rather than the other nonsense that comes out this forum sometimes. "I get that many people wouldn't like Chico being an important, heroic, preTPP Big Boss-like character (hell, the majority of the people on this forum hate him right now just because he's "annoying" and a "kid"), but honestly I enjoy these kinds of storylines and think it would be a clever twist to have the "nearly useless" child we met in PW become this major hero figure as an adult. Kinda like Hope from FFXIII. But I'm also cool with him being a Paz-avenging obsessed nomad. Yeah, that's also cool. (And far more likely)." Yea, I ain't fond of the idea I would prefer the latter, Chico going nuts over Paz's death. Hopefully killing himself in the process :). Edited by Thebull94, Jul 14 2014, 10:20:45 PM.
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| black king | Jul 14 2014, 10:20:38 PM Post #447 |
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...Burger King?
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Something's stretching the page. Tried to spoiler Liberty's images thinking that was it but apparently not. |
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| Thebull94 | Jul 14 2014, 10:21:22 PM Post #448 |
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It's cool, just google "Fuck it stupid link aint working. Just google 'Three act structure'" For the stupid URL I was trying to link. Lol, failure on my part. |
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| Heisenberg | Jul 14 2014, 10:27:24 PM Post #449 |
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No. Whatever your bias is toward Chico, it doesn't negate that this is Big Boss' game. Chico should only be a small support. He doesn't need to be the main hero, or take up vast camera time. We need more emphasis on Snake's downfall. |
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| big_boss1988 | Jul 14 2014, 10:34:54 PM Post #450 |
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I agree with Swag. Chico will die in 1975. I also think that Chico is the third person in the hospital but he will die at that scene. |
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| Heisenberg | Jul 14 2014, 10:35:58 PM Post #451 |
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He can live, but don't shove him in my face. Let him be in the back of the class. |
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| Thebull94 | Jul 14 2014, 10:47:50 PM Post #452 |
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Throwing erasers at hot girls heads. |
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| Venture | Jul 14 2014, 10:56:08 PM Post #453 |
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mfw dante calls me a cunt
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Chico was the second character to get introduced in the E3 2013 trailer, hes not going to be in the back of the class. |
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| Thebull94 | Jul 14 2014, 11:03:29 PM Post #454 |
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Yea, he's gonna get expelled. Then hopefully executed. |
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| Eagle | Jul 14 2014, 11:20:32 PM Post #455 |
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But I never said that it was meant to parallel Paz with Big Boss, because it isn't. It's meant to parallel Paz with The Boss/The Joy, and the same way it linked Big Boss with The Boss/The Joy by Big Boss copying The Boss/The Joy's scar, Paz's scar will link her to Chico by him copying that scar. And I took the "V" of Paz's scar to stand for "Peace".
I agree completely. Even though I talk a lot about Chico because he is my favorite, it doesn't change the fact that this game is about Big Boss and the critical point in his life that is his downfall. This game is about Big Boss, and I would hate it if they took the focus away and concentrated on Chico. It shouldn't be about Chico, it should be about Big Boss becoming a demon. I believe Chico should/will play a role similar to Grey Fox in MGS and Raiden in MGS4. Or kinda like the role Hope played in the FFXIII saga. Not the main character, but an important side-character with a lot of impact. Sorry I've been talking about Chico so much, I can't help it. Edited by Eagle, Jul 14 2014, 11:45:09 PM.
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| Thebull94 | Jul 15 2014, 12:27:32 AM Post #456 |
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Ah, I misread what you said and thought you meant Big Boss, I can see similarities, still doubt how Chico comes into all this, but still. How does V stand for Peace? Is it Peace in another language or something? Alos as you said, it will only link them IF Chico imitates the scar. |
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| Eagle | Jul 15 2014, 02:05:08 AM Post #457 |
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I know, that's why I said it's all theory. And the V of Peace like, you know, the peace sign that you do with your hands. Characters in Peace Walker say it all the time. "The V of Peace stands for Victory." |
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| Thebull94 | Jul 15 2014, 02:32:32 AM Post #458 |
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The peace sign looks nothing like a 'v'? You mean the 'hippie' 2 fingers thing? I HIGHLY doubt Paz's scar signified that. I thought it started with a v in another language lol. Also what characters in Peace Walker say it? (I have not played it in ages, and never will) |
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| Eagle | Jul 15 2014, 02:39:47 AM Post #459 |
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![]() Paz also says it when she hijacks ZEKE. She tells Snake "The "V" of Peace stands for Victory. Say Peace!" |
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| Thebull94 | Jul 15 2014, 04:06:58 AM Post #460 |
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Hmm, makes sense. Still doubt it though. |
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