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Chico in TPP (Ground Zeroes Spoilers)
Topic Started: Apr 2 2014, 07:43:53 PM (29,398 Views)
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That ^^^

GZ made me actually like his character after hating on him in PW. But still, I'd prefer he'd be killed off from that copter crash because his death could really weigh heavily on Big Boss' plunge into madness.

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Oct 4 2014, 04:13:05 PM
My theory is that Chico escapes the helicopter crash since he betrayed Big Boss. And in order to survive he will have to disguise himself and hide. And he will re-join Big Boss later as Decoy Octopus. Decoy Octopus was the oldest member of Foxhound in Shadow Moses. And Chico would be 43 in Shadow Moses and since the other members of Foxhound were either in their 30's or 20's, it would make sense.

He might not re-join Big Boss as Decoy Octopus as it might be an obvious plot twist for us, but I do believe Chico will become Decoy Octopus.
Really like this idea, especially if he survived the crash. And I'm one of those guys that occasionally hates it when characters are recycled.
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Jun 18 2015, 11:34:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't survive the helicopter crash. With the nails in his feet and Kaz, Big Boss and the medic probably seriously injured, who could help Chico?

How about the surviving MSF soldier that Chico was comforting?

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My theory is that Chico escapes the helicopter crash since he betrayed Big Boss. And in order to survive he will have to disguise himself and hide. And he will re-join Big Boss later as Decoy Octopus. Decoy Octopus was the oldest member of Foxhound in Shadow Moses. And Chico would be 43 in Shadow Moses and since the other members of Foxhound were either in their 30's or 20's, it would make sense.

He might not re-join Big Boss as Decoy Octopus as it might be an obvious plot twist for us, but I do believe Chico will become Decoy Octopus.


Really like this idea, especially if he survived the crash. And I'm one of those guys that occasionally hates it when characters are recycled.


I actually just recently posted on Reddit a theory about it. Let me post it here, along with another theory I really liked. Also, spoilers for the MGSV E3 2015 trailer:

Chico is Decoy Octopus


And the one I much prefer, which Shrederator over at Reddit came up with, and the one that is mine, which I may add to more later:

Chico is the "Solid Snake/Raiden" of MGSV: TPP and a parallel to both Skull Face and Big Boss


And finally, Shrederator's theory which I really like:

Chico is the "Moby Dick" of MGSV: TPP
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great post eagle

Chico is a perfect "nine years watcher" but Joakim and Kojima wore his mask... why? there's a deeper meaning... has Kojima a particular preference

blow hole... great, so Chico used this method on other people? Does he work with skullface? But skullface seems hallucination...



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I hate those "everyone is decoy octopus" theories as much as the next person, but I've always thought of Chico being decoy octopus as possible. All the member of FOXHOUND were connected to big boss in some way. We know how for all of them now (even vaguely like psycho mantis) except for raven and decoy octopus.


EDIT: The only problem I have with him being Ishmael is that he doesn't have an accent like Chico did.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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EDIT: The only problem I have with him being Ishmael is that he doesn't have an accent like Chico did.
Easily explained. Either

A) He does have an accent and Kiefer Sutherland just voiced Ishmael at GDC to cover the otherwise obvious fact that it is Chico.

B) Chico has already started mimicking people and is mimicking Big Boss' voice to protect him as a safeguard should he need to stay behind and try to cover for him temporarily as a decoy.

C) 9 years in a hospital in an English colony with various accents and languages, especially English with British accents, caused him to lose the accent.
Edited by Eagle, Jun 19 2015, 05:06:19 PM.
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EDIT: The only problem I have with him being Ishmael is that he doesn't have an accent like Chico did.
Easily explained. Either

A) He does have an accent and Kiefer Sutherland just voiced Ishmael at GDC to cover the otherwise obvious fact that it is Chico.

B) Chico has already started mimicking people and is mimicking Big Boss' voice to protect him as a safeguard should he need to stay behind and try to cover for him temporarily as a decoy.

C) 9 years in a hospital in an English colony with various accents and languages, especially English and British caused him to lose the accent.
Ok I can see those as possibilities. I'm still leaning more towards Ishmael being a hallucination, but I'm not ruling out him being Chico.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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Jun 19 2015, 09:46:58 AM
I hate those "everyone is decoy octopus" theories as much as the next person, but I've always thought of Chico being decoy octopus as possible. All the member of FOXHOUND were connected to big boss in some way. We know how for all of them now (even vaguely like psycho mantis) except for raven and decoy octopus.


EDIT: The only problem I have with him being Ishmael is that he doesn't have an accent like Chico did.
It's said Raven was an Outer Heaven soldier in his earlier days, although I'm not sure how canon that is exactly.

As for Ishmael, I'd much prefer if Ishmael was simply a Tyler-Durden like hallucination. It's just way more interesting to me that way. With Kiefer voicing him as well, and how Skull Face's appearance in the latest trailer implies hallucinations will be occurring, I'm more in favor of Ishmael being a phantom.

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Chico is dead. Plot twist.
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but he's the perfect "him"

"what about him?" Kaz doesn't say his name because that kid is a traitor

why so much time spent of "Big Boss teachings" around this character to let him die in a simple crash..

he's a traitor that watch big boss for nine years to remedy his sins
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Do you entrust a traitor with watching your leader?
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Do you entrust a traitor with watching your leader?
Didn't he betray his sister and her soldiers in PW as well? I wouldn't want him on my team.
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Yeah, nobody likes a snitch. But gotta face the fact that he's just a kid in the end.
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Yeah I mean I think he means well, but he betrays people out of fear.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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you're right... but nobody ordered him to watch the leader

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Jun 19 2015, 10:45:38 AM
why so much time spent of "Big Boss teachings" around this character to let him die in a simple crash..

he's a traitor that watch big boss for nine years to remedy his sins
He may have betrayed Big Boss yet again, but Big Boss still gave a shit about the kid beyond security reasons. Paz was the main target in GZ because she was their only link to Cipher. Chico, at the point, was literally useless to MSF. He could've just let the kid die there in his misery. Everything they needed to know about Cipher or Skull Face would've been drawn from Paz.

Having Chico die serves a greater purpose than having him live to avenge Paz: it adds a significant weight, due to their bond with one another, to the anvil thats going to drag Big Boss down from the sky. And at this point there's absolutely nothing thats gonna convince me that Chico is Ishmael, or that Ishmael is even real. I've never heard of any injury, with maybe the exception of leprosy skin disorder (although I'm not knowledgeable in that department), that requires wearing bandages over the course of 9 entire years of rehabilitation.

If nothing else, with Big Boss in a coma, I'd bet all my money that Kaz wouldn't have let the kid live.



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you're right... but nobody ordered him to watch the leader

You think they'll leave him there and trust that he wouldn't compromise BB's safety?
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ok blindfox thx (but reguarding bendages there's no evidence he has them since 9 years, maybe 5 minutes before)

big boss_1988 right.. don't know what to say in fact at least Ocelot knows everyone in that hospital..

at this point... speaking about another character turning around hospital: "a rival living a lie"

Ocelot always survives, he's onniscent in a certain way during every chapter of this saga

Ishmael is the only Moby Dick survivor and a narrator

Ocelot helps Big Boss escape from the hospital and he's a sort of guardian angel...

could he be the 9 years guardian? "that woman? we gave her a light" "who am I? mmmh You can call me Ishmael"

also in the phantom pain he's gonna exit unscathed, no real phantom pain for him, no bloody hand like others
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uff double sorry :facepalm:
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But why would Ocelot bandage himself up and try to hide his identity from big boss only to show himself moments later?
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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I can't understand why ocelot is described as " rival " he works for BB and Kaz during the phantom pain events right?
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