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Tranquilizer weapons in real life
Topic Started: Apr 15 2014, 06:31:59 PM (3,502 Views)
James Jimmy
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Out of curiosity, I did a quick search on YouTube/Google, and found this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOZph8Sb_vE

It looks like the "most humane" tranq round is pretty big to be used by small weapons such as the one Snake uses in GZ (and in the past MGS games). Also, since it looks so big, it has to be very noticeable on a person. The guy talking on the video does not say how long does it take exactly to put a human to sleep, but I haven't really found anything about "effect times". Does anyone know anything more? I'm pretty curious to see how realistic is the implementation in GZ. Thanks in advance for any upcoming replies!
Edited by James Jimmy, Apr 15 2014, 06:32:20 PM.
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most likely all Tranquilizers for animals does some kind of effect on humans
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JimmyJames
Apr 15 2014, 06:31:59 PM
Out of curiosity, I did a quick search on YouTube/Google, and found this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOZph8Sb_vE

It looks like the "most humane" tranq round is pretty big to be used by small weapons such as the one Snake uses in GZ (and in the past MGS games). Also, since it looks so big, it has to be very noticeable on a person. The guy talking on the video does not say how long does it take exactly to put a human to sleep, but I haven't really found anything about "effect times". Does anyone know anything more? I'm pretty curious to see how realistic is the implementation in GZ. Thanks in advance for any upcoming replies!
it wouldnt be feasable to have tranq weapons of the sort you see on mgs in real life,if thats what youre asking.this goes for GZ and the others.


also,cannonicly,i think the only time tranq guns are truely used throughout the series is the tanker portion of mgs2.anywhere else,even though you can use them,they have no effect whatsoever on the outcome of the story,as even bosses you kill through "non lethal means" turn out dead.


so basicly they are only there to give you a different approach on how to clear the game and something to do when you finish it the easy way.
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@KingOfNeverland,

I am asking to see if the implementation we see in GZ is close to reality and how close it is, exactly. Because, if the ones shown in the video are the minimal sized ones, then what are the ones Big Boss uses in GZ? They look even smaller than that. And if they are smaller than that, how do they affect humans exactly?

@Kelesishiro,

Lol! Genius comment right there!
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Let me put it this way without sounding too edgy. Just because we cannot prove it exists, doesn't mean the CIA, FBI, KGB, GRU or anyone else operating outside the limits of common knowledge has not already perfected the technology to make it a reality. I mean that with respect.
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Isn't there a tranq. gun called 'Hush Puppy' that was developed in the seventies?
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I'm sure the military has a host of confidential drugs with properties similar to the MGS tranquilizers.
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Apr 16 2014, 07:11:18 AM
Isn't there a tranq. gun called 'Hush Puppy' that was developed in the seventies?
The Hush Puppy was real but it wasn't a tranquilizer gun, that was the fictional part of it.
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Tranq weapons are unfeasible, the dose has to be calculated by the persons size and weight. If the dose was to strong it would kill them and if it was to week it wouldn't put them to sleep.
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Apr 15 2014, 07:28:26 PM
Just ask the girl out dude, no need for extremes.
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As someone said earlier, tranq darts do have similar kind of effects on humans as they do in animals and it does work on the same principal. You're not always 100% certain on weight so you have to guess at it, which can have complications.

If you self inject anything (like drugs, vaccines etc) then you need a reverse antigen to counter it, so yeah, if you somehow manage to hit yourself with a dart meant for a rhino, you are in trouble xD
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This is the most advanced "Knockout gas" anyone has seen to date. The Russians won't tell what's in it and even it had to be pumped into a room through HVAC and it still killed 129 people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolokol-1

As others have said, there are most likely top secret compounds that act very quickly. The problem is that anesthetics require very very specific doses based on lots of factors. It's even more delicate with humans than it is with animals and to keep them under as long as they do in MGS without some sort of respirator would be very near impossible.

There's a reason anesthesiologists make +$300,000 a year
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I see... Thanks for the input, guys! My last guess is that the weapon is part real, part fictional (i.e. some of its characteristics do exist, some don't). For one, since the darts are so small, they might be enough to put a person to sleep, but not as fast as the game shows. But it would be really boring if the effect in real life took place after 10', for example. A player cannot wait that long.
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There are problems in using tranquilizer gun in real life. First it does not knock enemies out instantly. Second problem is that you'll certainly notice if a tranquilizer dart just was shot at you and it hit. This leads to problem of an enemy figuring out there's someone unwanted in the area and this leads to him informing that to his superior officers. This in turn leads to your enemies searching for you actively and hinders your ability to perform in your mission.

The best course of action in real life would just to be as sneaky as possible and try to avoid the detection by your enemies at all costs.
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I don't think any major government really cares about winning a war through non lethal means enough to get this kinda thing backing.
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Apr 15 2014, 07:28:26 PM
Just ask the girl out dude, no need for extremes.
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Im just gonna add in this thought since no one seems to have mentioned it; but I think even if someone got shot by a tranquilizer that was a low dose; sure they'd notice it and it wouldn't k.o them instantly but wouldn't it at least make 'em really tired/have slow reactions or something pretty quickly? At least that could still give you a solid advantage and be kind of useful; but in a real situation I'm pretty sure non-lethal isn't something that's thought of too often; and if it is they'd probably just use beanbag shotguns or something
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Yea the biggest issue with tranq. guns IRL is that using them wouldn't knock them out fast enough before they yell or make it obvious somethings wrong.
Not to mention the big dart sticking out of their neck.
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May 1 2014, 04:42:46 PM
Yea the biggest issue with tranq. guns IRL is that using them wouldn't knock them out fast enough before they yell or make it obvious somethings wrong.
Not to mention the big dart sticking out of their neck.
But there are some types of drugs that can knock you out in half a second..
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