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BB/ Ocelot relationship
Topic Started: Apr 28 2014, 02:49:55 PM (2,155 Views)
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Was watching the red band trailer for like the 100th time in anticipation for TPP and I was wondering if these events take place after BB splits from The Patriots, AKA Cipher, then why does BB trust Ocelot ? I mean does BB know Ocelot's true intentions or is Ocelot hiding his true loyalty from everyone? If Ocelot is a member of the Patriots, wouldn't BB be after all of them for revenge or does he thinks just Zero was behind this ?
Just trying to decipher through all this information to get the facts straight , thanks in advance for the replies!
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all out.

In GZ, BB doesnt know who skull face is.He probably learns that from ocelot in TPP.Keep in mind that skull face is after both BB and Zero(for undisclosed reasons),and after the events of GZ and the destruction of motherbase he should be making a move for Cipher.So in the years between GZ and BB awakening Major events must have taken place.Both parties (MSF+ZERO) must have taken casualties and a truce between them so they can rally SF is possible.hence the appearance of Ocelot as a savior and a guider for BB.
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What trimegadon said: Skull Face is an enemy of both BB and Cipher. And the enemy of the enemy is the ally.

It is a really interesting question, though... We don't know how closely Ocelot is affiliated with Cipher. As a founding member, he may have more power and freedom than we might expect. Zero would probably want him to spy on BB, and vice versa.

Man, I really want to see what's going on with the personal relationship between BB and Ocelot... Have they been in contact since BB left the Patriots? What terms did they leave on? How responsible is Ocelot for Cipher's actions against BB? What does BB think, and is he right? What has Ocelot been up to over the last nine years, and has he changed in any significant ways?

UUUUUUUUUGH I need this gaaaaaame.
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Apr 28 2014, 11:45:30 PM
It is a really interesting question, though... We don't know how closely Ocelot is affiliated with Cipher. As a founding member, he may have more power and freedom than we might expect. Zero would probably want him to spy on BB, and vice versa.
I think at this time, Ocelot served as an informant to Cipher from the Soviet Union.
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The way I see it, there's a very bold divide between the members of the Patriots, and from that divide came 'factions' of differing opinion based on how they interpreted The Boss' will. On one side, you have Big Boss, EVA and Ocelot (the 'good' side); on the other you have Zero, Sigint and Para-Medic (the 'bad' side). Fate took its course and Big Boss left, etc., though the opinions (and spiritual factions) remained exactly the same all the way down the line.

Therefore, the only people within the Patriots who Big Boss can he can truly trust and rely on are EVA and Ocelot. Ocelot may have been in the Patriots, but he was very much on Big Boss' side, and Big Boss knows this.

Does anyone agree or am I way off, hehe?

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Apr 29 2014, 12:35:22 AM
The way I see it, there's a very bold divide between the members of the Patriots, and from that divide came 'factions' of differing opinion based on how they interpreted The Boss' will. On one side, you have Big Boss, EVA and Ocelot (the 'good' side); on the other you have Zero, Sigint and Para-Medic (the 'bad' side). Fate took its course and Big Boss left, etc., though the opinions (and spiritual factions) remained exactly the same all the way down the line.

Therefore, the only people within the Patriots who Big Boss can he can truly trust and rely on are EVA and Ocelot. Ocelot may have been in the Patriots, but he was very much on Big Boss' side, and Big Boss knows this.

Does anyone agree or am I way off, hehe?

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I agree with this, didn't EVA mention to Snake in MGS4 that Ocelot worshipped Big Boss? Can't remember if it was loved or worshipped, something like that. You can kind of gather by the end of MGS3 that theres a kind of mutual respect that has developed between them.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
The only thing i dont understand is: How can Skull Face be a threat to Zero, isnt zero and ocelot pretty much the pupetmaster of the most powerful military country of the world in this time period?

Who is backing up Skull Face? a rouge unit cant be that dangeorous
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Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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Apr 29 2014, 02:42:44 AM
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Apr 29 2014, 12:35:22 AM
The way I see it, there's a very bold divide between the members of the Patriots, and from that divide came 'factions' of differing opinion based on how they interpreted The Boss' will. On one side, you have Big Boss, EVA and Ocelot (the 'good' side); on the other you have Zero, Sigint and Para-Medic (the 'bad' side). Fate took its course and Big Boss left, etc., though the opinions (and spiritual factions) remained exactly the same all the way down the line.

Therefore, the only people within the Patriots who Big Boss can he can truly trust and rely on are EVA and Ocelot. Ocelot may have been in the Patriots, but he was very much on Big Boss' side, and Big Boss knows this.

Does anyone agree or am I way off, hehe?

xx
I agree with this, didn't EVA mention to Snake in MGS4 that Ocelot worshipped Big Boss? Can't remember if it was loved or worshipped, something like that. You can kind of gather by the end of MGS3 that theres a kind of mutual respect that has developed between them.
Ocelot was officially Big Boss' biggest fanboy ;).

But seriously - yeah, there was a great deal of respect for Big Boss held by Ocelot. I think EVA and Ocelot both saw the same thing in Big Boss, except EVA was in love with him whereas Ocelot revered him as this godlike figure who wanted to achieve something grand.

EDIT: You just have to look at the Big Boss vs. Volgin fight to see that Ocelot has absolutely no interest in fighting for the bad side. Sure, he came across as an arrogant, snotty-nosed little kid, but he knew which side was the right side to be fighting for.

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I'm very interested to see how much if any Participation Ocelot had in the "les enfant terrible" project.
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The way I see it is Big Boss and Ocelot harbour no ill will towards each other.. one left and one stayed but they're both cool with that. I'm thinking Ocelot will pretend to know less than he does and tell Big Boss that they need to team up in order to take down XOF who Ocelot will maintain are working for Cipher. He will be playing both sides as always though. Cipher wants to ally themselves with Big Boss in order to take out a mutual enemy (XOF) so they will do this through Ocelot who will assist Big Boss under the false pretense that he is no longer part of Cipher and wants to see them suffer for the terrible acts they (through XOF) have commited. In reality Ocelot actually will want to destroy the Patriots (as we see him doing in the subsequent games) but will have Big Boss do it on his behalf.

In short Ocelot will be the Frank Jaeger of the Phantom Pain.. a man who is "neiter friend nor foe" but will ultimately turn out to be your greatest ally.
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I want Ocelot to finally admit his love for Snake.
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If Ocelot knows that The Boss is his mother than perhaps that is where his respect and admiration for BB comes from. Knowing that The Boss left her legacy to BB and entrusted him to carry on her will. idk.
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Apr 29 2014, 08:01:40 PM
I want Ocelot to finally admit his love for Snake.
In what way?
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Apr 29 2014, 08:29:09 PM
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Apr 29 2014, 08:01:40 PM
I want Ocelot to finally admit his love for Snake.
In what way?
I was partially joking, but I'm not sure if Kojima can write a gay character besides his stereotypical, silly ones. I would much prefer a gay man who isn't shoving it down our throats to simply fulfill Kojima's tackling of serious subjects.
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Yeah I know - I was playing along and wanted you to answer it :P
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Apr 29 2014, 10:40:23 PM
Yeah I know - I was playing along and wanted you to answer it :P
I know. Yes, you wanted me to admit my sexual fantasies for these oiled-up, muscular men. Truth is, I just used that moment to say my original statement.
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Does it really have to be more than friendship? I mean, first it's Big Boss has a hard on for Kaz, now it's BB and Ocelot. Why can't BB just have 'FRIENDS'! :haha:

I know you're joking Swag, it just comes up a lot. Do we have a select fanbase who secretly wants BB to be banging other dudes? lol
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Apr 29 2014, 11:13:19 PM
I know you're joking Swag, it just comes up a lot. Do we have a select fanbase who secretly wants BB to be banging other dudes? lol
Yes. The sooner you get this, the sooner you'll fit in.
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Apr 29 2014, 10:41:48 PM
I know. Yes, you wanted me to admit my sexual fantasies for these oiled-up, muscular men. Truth is, I just used that moment to say my original statement.
No need to admit it - just have a bit of fun :P

But yeah, you're right. It's best to make it subtle if it was the case. Not over-the-top bullshit.
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I know you're joking Swag, it just comes up a lot. Do we have a select fanbase who secretly wants BB to be banging other dudes? lol
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Oh I got it from the start.. I just... no :)
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