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[possible GZ spoilers] Chico = Quiet Theory
Topic Started: Mar 30 2014, 01:27:55 AM (6,934 Views)
AbudJasemAlBaldawi
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Apr 30 2014, 05:50:03 PM
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Apr 30 2014, 03:49:12 PM
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Apr 30 2014, 01:28:11 PM
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eryones post but yours agree with Gaseous-Snake.


*looks at the comment below*

Well, there goes that argument. Also lol @ the argument that few agreeing opinions out of 17 000 equal as irrefutable evidence.

If you still disagree though feel free to make a poll/survey on the subject. You might actually get some support on this forum but on major sites like IGN or Gamespot I beg to differ.

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That is absurd mate. There is genuinely no reason at all to be that bothered over something so minor. Transgender people are born that way. Their sex may be male, but their gender is definitely female. Why shouldn't their body match their gender like the rest of us? A female is a female. Whether they have/had a dick or not.

In no way is that absurd. What is absurd is that you fail to realize that unless you're God, everything we've been discussing thus far has been purely subjective. Only thing objective that can be said about matters concerning human sexuality is that it's a subject that you can't just brush off like it's "no biggie". It's something that very much defines who we are. Just because you don't take biology into consideration when defining a woman that sure as hell doesn't mean I agree with that.

Regarding the situation that B3nny56 described, I'd probably have about the same kind of reaction. Withholding the fact that you were born a man would be to me worse than rape. My self-esteem and character, my very being would be in tatters after that. Would need some proper medication and psychotherapy to stop me hurting myself.

Also, I'd so sue that son of a bitch and take every penny from him for what he did to me. :glare:

But anyways, like someone said earlier, this thread went to shit long time ago

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EDIT- And so is Novitchsnake, but I already knew that.
novitchsnake is a horrible person because he wouldn't want to have sex with someone who had a sex change operation, but your not a horrible person for wanting someone to suffer throughout their life.



Sorry Freeman, but I have to agree with Abstract
Throw me onto that list too.

Anyway, its just wierd. Chico's traumatized by (probably) raping Paz, so he gets a sex change operation because he doesn't wish to rape anyone anymore, but dress like the biggest hoe in the hood which increases the chance of him getting raped. That makes no fucking sense.
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Apr 30 2014, 04:33:40 PM
There's nothing wrong with NOT wanting to have sex with a transgender. Stop pretending people are deplorable individuals because they feel that way. On the other hand, wanting to "kill yourself" is a different ballpark. There's nothing wrong with transgender, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting sexual relations with one either.
You must be new here. Logic and acceptance of different opinions isn't allowed.
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Apr 30 2014, 04:33:40 PM
There's nothing wrong with NOT wanting to have sex with a transgender. Stop pretending people are deplorable individuals because they feel that way. On the other hand, wanting to "kill yourself" is a different ballpark. There's nothing wrong with transgender, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting sexual relations with one either.
You must be new here. Logic and acceptance of different opinions isn't allowed.
Yeah, I'm new here. :P
Edited by Heisenberg, Apr 30 2014, 06:11:21 PM.
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Apr 30 2014, 03:49:12 PM
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Apr 30 2014, 01:28:11 PM
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eryones post but yours agree with Gaseous-Snake.


*looks at the comment below*

Well, there goes that argument. Also lol @ the argument that few agreeing opinions out of 17 000 equal as irrefutable evidence.

If you still disagree though feel free to make a poll/survey on the subject. You might actually get some support on this forum but on major sites like IGN or Gamespot I beg to differ.

See Greene
 
That is absurd mate. There is genuinely no reason at all to be that bothered over something so minor. Transgender people are born that way. Their sex may be male, but their gender is definitely female. Why shouldn't their body match their gender like the rest of us? A female is a female. Whether they have/had a dick or not.

In no way is that absurd. What is absurd is that you fail to realize that unless you're God, everything we've been discussing thus far has been purely subjective. Only thing objective that can be said about matters concerning human sexuality is that it's a subject that you can't just brush off like it's "no biggie". It's something that very much defines who we are. Just because you don't take biology into consideration when defining a woman that sure as hell doesn't mean I agree with that.

Regarding the situation that B3nny56 described, I'd probably have about the same kind of reaction. Withholding the fact that you were born a man would be to me worse than rape. My self-esteem and character, my very being would be in tatters after that. Would need some proper medication and psychotherapy to stop me hurting myself.

Also, I'd so sue that son of a bitch and take every penny from him for what he did to me. :glare:

But anyways, like someone said earlier, this thread went to shit long time ago

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EDIT- And so is Novitchsnake, but I already knew that.
novitchsnake is a horrible person because he wouldn't want to have sex with someone who had a sex change operation, but your not a horrible person for wanting someone to suffer throughout their life.



Sorry Freeman, but I have to agree with Abstract
Throw me onto that list too.

Anyway, its just wierd. Chico's traumatized by (probably) raping Paz, so he gets a sex change operation because he doesn't wish to rape anyone anymore, but dress like the biggest hoe in the hood which increases the chance of him getting raped. That makes no fucking sense.
Maybe dressing himself like that is a result of him having been raped (again), and those were some quick clothes to go back to combat. Or maybe he is dressed like that to try and convince HIMSELF that he really is a woman.
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Apr 30 2014, 03:51:01 PM
And look I'm not trying to be really disrespectful to people who wanna be transgender etc. They can go for it all they want; But in my opinion I don't think it matters what you think your gender is , were you born with a dick? You're a guy. born with a vag? You're a girl. It's a simple concept;
Sex does not equal gender. Sex is your biological body and functions, gender is your brain, how you view yourself and feel. And no its not a simple concept. Gender, sex and sexuality have so many varieties that most people know nothing about because they don't care to know and society has and continues to enforce binary (that is, male or female - nothing else) rules and expectations.

As to the whole Quiet dressed like she is in the desert, it irks me I'll admit but it surprises me how everyone is just jumping to the conclusion that she chose to dress that way. I think its crappy on Kojima's part sure but its easy to come up with reasons as to why she might be dressed like that. She could have been a captive ten minutes before she is shown in that trailer and has just escaped, grabbed a gun, harness to carry ammo and some boots off a guard and took off not having the time to get anything else. Could be she was attacked by someone with a flamethrower or equivalent 'magic' and had to ditch the clothes.

It still irks me though and I don't expect much from Kojima, rather just a poor excuse to have a almost naked women on screen.
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Apr 30 2014, 06:11:06 PM
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Apr 30 2014, 04:33:40 PM
There's nothing wrong with NOT wanting to have sex with a transgender. Stop pretending people are deplorable individuals because they feel that way. On the other hand, wanting to "kill yourself" is a different ballpark. There's nothing wrong with transgender, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting sexual relations with one either.
You must be new here. Logic and acceptance of different opinions isn't allowed.
Yeah, I'm new here. :P
I still gotta agree with swag, now we're supposed to believe homosexuality is fine but not wanting to stick your cock where another dick was because you're too hetero isn't? I mean, I think homos deserve equal rights, don't get me wrong (I still think its wrong but that's nothing more than my opinion), but if you wanna let the fags marry, why the hell can't you accept heteros not wanting to have relations with a tranny?
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In his defense, we are judging a lot based on mere seconds on footage. If you don't count the behind-the-scenes stuff.
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Apr 30 2014, 06:15:59 PM
As to the whole Quiet dressed like she is in the desert, it irks me I'll admit but it surprises me how everyone is just jumping to the conclusion that she chose to dress that way. I think its crappy on Kojima's part sure but its easy to come up with reasons as to why she might be dressed like that. She could have been a captive ten minutes before she is shown in that trailer and has just escaped, grabbed a gun, harness to carry ammo and some boots off a guard and took off not having the time to get anything else. Could be she was attacked by someone with a flamethrower or equivalent 'magic' and had to ditch the clothes.

It still irks me though and I don't expect much from Kojima, rather just a poor excuse to have a almost naked women on screen.
Cecile was held captive in only her undergarments so it makes sense* as a possibility.

*MGS universe
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I can't remember the last time this thread was called 'general fucking bollocks'. Get on topic or get out, warnings will be given to members constantly discussing off topic material. As black king kindly pointed out, there is an opinions and confessions forum just waiting for a good debate so if you want to discuss transgenders, homosexuals or whatever do so there. This thread is specifically about the Chico = Paz Quiet theory. (Lol, what a cock up)

Also, don't disguise off topic chat by linking it to MGS in a similar way to what Ev has posted (not having a go at you Ev, but your post is nearer the top of the page). It still fuels the fire and still derails the thread.

Thankyou for your co-operation.
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Apr 30 2014, 06:21:15 PM
Also, don't disguise off topic chat by linking it to MGS in a similar way to what Ev has posted (not having a go at you Ev, but your post is nearer the top of the page). It still fuels the fire and still derails the thread.
I was disguising nothing. I responded to a comment on sex/gender in first paragraph, then moved on. In any case, I'm making a trans* topic now. Should be interesting... ^^;
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Does anyone remember when Quiet used to be Chico? Good times.
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Apr 30 2014, 06:27:45 PM
Does anyone remember when Quiet used to be Chico? Good times.
Seems so long ago. Like yesterday. Oh wait...
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Still think chico being quiet doesnt make sense.
I dont see chico being able to go within nine years and get the money to have a sex change.
Unless he made some friends on his travels and they did him a favor.
But honestly.
As traumatizing what he went through was for him, i dont see him NOT getting over it in nine years.
If he did the operation before then , it makes less sense because that would mean he had less time he would have had to either
Get the money or meet the people todo it.
Mgs might have very weird logic but it still has it and has been consistent in how the series as evolved.
Edited by (SGR) SEAN, Apr 30 2014, 07:05:36 PM.
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Let's be real, if Chico did alter his image from male to female, I highly doubt he would look that good...
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Apr 30 2014, 07:04:29 PM
Still think chico being quiet doesnt make sense.
I dont see chico being able to go within nine years and get the money to have a sex change.
Unless he made some friends on his travels and they did him a favor.
But honestly.
As traumatizing what he went through was for him, i dont see him NOT getting over it in nine years.
If he did the operation before then , it makes less sense because that would mean he had less time he would have had to either
Get the money or meet the people todo it.
Mgs might have very weird logic but it still has it and has been consistent in how the series as evolved.
Kaz haven't gotten over the destruction of MotherBase in 9 years. I can't see Chico, who is 13, getting over the torture and death of the love of his life either.
Edited by Eagle, May 8 2014, 02:26:42 PM.
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Even taking into consideration all the things in the mgs universe that exists before their time.
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Practically perfect sex change doesnt seem plausible even by mgs standards
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Apr 30 2014, 07:18:31 PM
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Still think chico being quiet doesnt make sense.
I dont see chico being able to go within nine years and get the money to have a sex change.
Unless he made some friends on his travels and they did him a favor.
But honestly.
As traumatizing what he went through was for him, i dont see him NOT getting over it in nine years.
If he did the operation before then , it makes less sense because that would mean he had less time he would have had to either
Get the money or meet the people todo it.
Mgs might have very weird logic but it still has it and has been consistent in how the series as evolved.
Kaz haven't gotten over the destruction of MotherBase in 9 years. I can't see Chico, who is 13, getting over the torture and death of the live of his life either.
Well kaz has constant reminders, the loss of his limbs and the loss of his comrades.
All chico has are his memories.. And in nine years that would eventually
Go away
Edited by (SGR) SEAN, Apr 30 2014, 07:22:22 PM.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
I dunno, I would fuck Lady Gaga
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Apr 30 2014, 07:22:47 PM
I dunno, I would fuck Lady Gaga
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