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[possible GZ spoilers] Chico = Quiet Theory
Topic Started: Mar 30 2014, 01:27:55 AM (6,931 Views)
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May 1 2014, 06:42:25 PM
There is no mystery, that's the thing, it's a total twist in favor of a mystery. Sure, his characters are polluted with mystery, but I hardly think it would be so surprising as to change that a bit for one of his new characters he introduces to find out there was a twist as to who you thought they were..

I still don't buy Chico is Quiet thing, don't care to, but I'm just reverbing how it 'COULD' become a reality, and how it wouldn't detriment the story in any way.
Well yea but Kaz COULD actually be revealed to be a cyborg sent from the future in MGRII that blended in perfectly.
It could still theoretically work with the story but it's still dumb as hell.
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May 1 2014, 06:52:31 PM
Acid Boss
May 1 2014, 06:42:25 PM
There is no mystery, that's the thing, it's a total twist in favor of a mystery. Sure, his characters are polluted with mystery, but I hardly think it would be so surprising as to change that a bit for one of his new characters he introduces to find out there was a twist as to who you thought they were..

I still don't buy Chico is Quiet thing, don't care to, but I'm just reverbing how it 'COULD' become a reality, and how it wouldn't detriment the story in any way.
Well yea but Kaz COULD actually be revealed to be a cyborg sent from the future in MGRII that blended in perfectly.
It could still theoretically work with the story but it's still dumb as hell.
Please don't get me wrong, I have reserved words for how ... useless this thread is, I'm just chiming in with my two cents...

I really don't want Chico to be Quiet... :ermm:
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If Quiet didn't have supernatural abilities then I still would have doubts. But the supernatural thing pretty much kills this theory for me.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
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''what absurdity''

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lol things sucked well before Rising or GZ.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
Anyone knows a possible explanation of Quiet ''powers''.
God, I remember how everyone bashed rising for being ''unrealistic'' when all the overthetop shit is thanks to tech, yet they are okey with realistic ''supernatural elements''.
MGSV aims for grounded realism and yet, the theories surround it are the most idiotics so far in the saga
Edited by Bladewolf, May 1 2014, 11:35:17 PM.
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That sounds so dumb. MGS3 had a freaking guy who could summon bees in various forms, a photosynthetic old sniper and an electrical sadist junk-grabbing madman!
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May 1 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Anyone knows a possible explanation of Quiet ''powers''.
God, I remember how everyone bashed rising for being ''unrealistic'' when all the overthetop shit is thanks to tech, yet they are okey with realistic ''supernatural elements''.
MGSV aims for grounded realism and yet, the theories surround it are the most idiotics so far in the saga
Well uh.
Raiden being able to chuck metal gear ray into the air then cutting it in half before he was given his cyborg body is where i drew the line really.
Oh and he stopped a giant ship from crushing snake in mgs4 and he somehow got lightning powers after that.
Raiden had a cyborg body in mgs4 but not at the beginning of rising, so him being able to just pick up ray and toss it that far into the far and then follow after it is just to much.
Everything else i can accept, but raiden just does some bs stuff.

Still love it when armstrong kicks his ass
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Bladewolf
May 1 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Anyone knows a possible explanation of Quiet ''powers''.
God, I remember how everyone bashed rising for being ''unrealistic'' when all the overthetop shit is thanks to tech, yet they are okey with realistic ''supernatural elements''.
MGSV aims for grounded realism and yet, the theories surround it are the most idiotics so far in the saga
Well uh.
Raiden being able to chuck metal gear ray into the air then cutting it in half before he was given his cyborg body is where i drew the line really.
Oh and he stopped a giant ship from crushing snake in mgs4 and he somehow got lightning powers after that.
Raiden had a cyborg body in mgs4 but not at the beginning of rising, so him being able to just pick up ray and toss it that far into the far and then follow after it is just to much.
Everything else i can accept, but raiden just does some bs stuff.

Still love it when armstrong kicks his ass
Raiden DID have a cyborg body at the beginning of Rising. Ever since MGS4, he hasn't stopped being a cyborg. His body at the beginning of Rising is just modified to be more human looking, but he still is a cyborg and won't ever stop being one. They can't ever give Raiden back his normal body. The only normal things he has remaining is his head all the way down to his upper jaw. Even his eyes aren't human anymore.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
Raiden is just a brain at this point.
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May 2 2014, 03:17:23 AM
Raiden is just a brain at this point.
Exactly, him go all ninja on a metal gear seems far more acceptable to me than mister "nanomachines, son!" beating the shit out of Raiden.
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I am really late to the party, and have just been reading this thread to the best of my ability, and while most of this is indeed speculation, forgive me if I sound redundant.
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When I initially heard the theory, I actually thought and still think it sounds interesting.
When the Phantom Pain was announced, and Quiet was revealed, I was indeed a bit concerned at the provocative attire. And it doesn't look particularly great on Kojima's part when one of your female characters dresses like that and their main characteristic is that they don't speak. Uh huh...
(Still, we have the Boss as far as Great Female Characters are concerned)
So when he said on Twitter that they/we would all be ashamed for our deeds and whatever. I pondered on just what could justify the no talking concept and attire. All my little brain could think of is just another traumatic experience in the same tone as the B&B unit. I was hoping and still am that I am wrong. I really want it to be something interesting that catches me off guard.
So yeah, I think this theory is kind of cool.

However, as I read the posts who called it absurd Psychologically and Tech Wise. It felt more and more like the reason fans were calling it absurd was because they didn't want this to be the case. I am not saying everyone feels this way. But I honestly don't get why everyone is so adamantly against the idea.

Some things to consider, Kojima is obviously inspired by Anime and Manga to some degree. (Otacon) Not to stereotype, but Anime and Manga tend to play with the Gender Trope often. Not saying it's defined or anything by it, but they certainly cross paths. And this move wouldn't surprise me. And because we don't have the Phantom pain yet, we wouldn't know the Psychology behind it either.
As for the Tech not being good enough for such a convincing sexual reassignment surgery at the time, That one surprises me. We are talking Metal Gear after all. Suspension of Disbelief is kind of central to the main story. We have Artificial Intelligence in the 70's. Giant Nuclear Robots and Mutants in the 60's. Doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me. (Oh, and Decoy Octopus, nuff said)

Granted this is all just speculation. Part of me is bias, and thinks this would be a great idea.
And if it turns out to be false, I still hope Kojima can pull "Quiet" as a character off. Motivation wise. And doesn't turn out to be just eye candy with a sad backstory. That would be a let down IMO.
With Chico as Quiet, it gives some depth, as we know Chico from PW. It would be like an 3 act/arched character. Fully Realized.
Eh. That's just my thoughts on the matter.
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I'm not holding my breath for the ''ashamed of words and deeds'' neither, i'm also pretty sure it's something just like B&B corps, Kojima is just toying with expectations while trying to get his ass off the line of fire. I'm sure he would've pulled it off with a character like this ten years ago, nowadays not so much. But i'm also hoping to be wrong on this.
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A 3 act character arc doesn't mean a thing if its a bad character arc. For the character to be taken seriously there must be some proper psychological motivation behind it, so it doesn't seem like lame eye candy, it doesn't make sense for her/his lack of clothing to be a defense mechanism for sexual advances/over exposure, and becoming a woman doesn't really stop rape from happening, does it?
FFS this theory in itself started as a 4chan joke that was later taken for real.
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Bladewolf
May 1 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Anyone knows a possible explanation of Quiet ''powers''.
God, I remember how everyone bashed rising for being ''unrealistic'' when all the overthetop shit is thanks to tech, yet they are okey with realistic ''supernatural elements''.
MGSV aims for grounded realism and yet, the theories surround it are the most idiotics so far in the saga
Well uh.
Raiden being able to chuck metal gear ray into the air then cutting it in half before he was given his cyborg body is where i drew the line really.
Oh and he stopped a giant ship from crushing snake in mgs4 and he somehow got lightning powers after that.
Raiden had a cyborg body in mgs4 but not at the beginning of rising, so him being able to just pick up ray and toss it that far into the far and then follow after it is just to much.
Everything else i can accept, but raiden just does some bs stuff.

Still love it when armstrong kicks his ass
Raiden DID have a cyborg body at the beginning of Rising. Ever since MGS4, he hasn't stopped being a cyborg. His body at the beginning of Rising is just modified to be more human looking, but he still is a cyborg and won't ever stop being one. They can't ever give Raiden back his normal body. The only normal things he has remaining is his head all the way down to his upper jaw. Even his eyes aren't human anymore.
Well i thought after mgs4 he became human after that. And that he just wore the exoskeleton
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That's hilarious :D
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May 1 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Anyone knows a possible explanation of Quiet ''powers''.
God, I remember how everyone bashed rising for being ''unrealistic'' when all the overthetop shit is thanks to tech, yet they are okey with realistic ''supernatural elements''.
MGSV aims for grounded realism and yet, the theories surround it are the most idiotics so far in the saga
Well uh.
Raiden being able to chuck metal gear ray into the air then cutting it in half before he was given his cyborg body is where i drew the line really.
Oh and he stopped a giant ship from crushing snake in mgs4 and he somehow got lightning powers after that.
Raiden had a cyborg body in mgs4 but not at the beginning of rising, so him being able to just pick up ray and toss it that far into the far and then follow after it is just to much.
Everything else i can accept, but raiden just does some bs stuff.

Still love it when armstrong kicks his ass
Raiden DID have a cyborg body at the beginning of Rising. Ever since MGS4, he hasn't stopped being a cyborg. His body at the beginning of Rising is just modified to be more human looking, but he still is a cyborg and won't ever stop being one. They can't ever give Raiden back his normal body. The only normal things he has remaining is his head all the way down to his upper jaw. Even his eyes aren't human anymore.
Well i thought after mgs4 he became human after that. And that he just wore the exoskeleton
Nah that human stuff in MGS4 was just fake skins stretched over his suit pretty much.
Also lightning powers earlier on Outer Haven was because he was missing his arms and sparking; and that room had the sprinklers so I guess the electricity jumped through his suit and the water idk.
Speaking of MGS4; how did he even survive getting crushed by Outer Haven? They even put all these feels in the scene like "oh shit Raiden's gon' die" screams for Rose, lights blink off drifts away in the ocean with Rose's voice in the background; Snake looks all sad. Then next cutscene they're like a"h no worries we'll just fix him up he'll be fine."
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