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What if phantom pain goes beyond 1984?
Topic Started: May 12 2014, 10:39:28 PM (3,542 Views)
B3nny56
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I'm all for the game ending with allusions to the starting of Metal Gear 1; but I think if they were going to remake them they could just be DLC Missions for TPP later on - I'm assuming by the end of TPP Outer Heaven will be fully built; plus he's been saying we'll be able to explore our base - so the map layout for Outer Heaven is definitely already in the game; I don't think it's far fetched to say they could expand on it and turn it into a full MG1 side-ops DLC,
Plus it'd probably work best that way rather than making a full game out of them anyway; it's not like all too much happens: Snake meets Gray Fox, destroys Metal Gear/"kills" Big Boss and retires 'til MG2 - MG2 has Snake destroy the new Metal Gear, fist fight with Fox, then BBQ's Big Boss and retires 'til MGS1. Just doesn't seem like full game material now that those could just be a mission each in TPP if they wanted to.
*sigh* alas, I can only dream...
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B3nny56
May 16 2014, 08:01:33 PM
I'm all for the game ending with allusions to the starting of Metal Gear 1; but I think if they were going to remake them they could just be DLC Missions for TPP later on - I'm assuming by the end of TPP Outer Heaven will be fully built; plus he's been saying we'll be able to explore our base - so the map layout for Outer Heaven is definitely already in the game; I don't think it's far fetched to say they could expand on it and turn it into a full MG1 side-ops DLC,
Plus it'd probably work best that way rather than making a full game out of them anyway; it's not like all too much happens: Snake meets Gray Fox, destroys Metal Gear/"kills" Big Boss and retires 'til MG2 - MG2 has Snake destroy the new Metal Gear, fist fight with Fox, then BBQ's Big Boss and retires 'til MGS1. Just doesn't seem like full game material now that those could just be a mission each in TPP if they wanted to.
*sigh* alas, I can only dream...
I think Metal Gear 1 & 2 should be retconned, to where the events of those games are greatly fleshed out but still somewhat similar in that its Young Solid Snake vs. Big Boss in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land. It deserves to be more than a DLC for TPP.

I think its a reasonable possibility they will be retconned.
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May 16 2014, 08:35:48 PM
B3nny56
May 16 2014, 08:01:33 PM
I'm all for the game ending with allusions to the starting of Metal Gear 1; but I think if they were going to remake them they could just be DLC Missions for TPP later on - I'm assuming by the end of TPP Outer Heaven will be fully built; plus he's been saying we'll be able to explore our base - so the map layout for Outer Heaven is definitely already in the game; I don't think it's far fetched to say they could expand on it and turn it into a full MG1 side-ops DLC,
Plus it'd probably work best that way rather than making a full game out of them anyway; it's not like all too much happens: Snake meets Gray Fox, destroys Metal Gear/"kills" Big Boss and retires 'til MG2 - MG2 has Snake destroy the new Metal Gear, fist fight with Fox, then BBQ's Big Boss and retires 'til MGS1. Just doesn't seem like full game material now that those could just be a mission each in TPP if they wanted to.
*sigh* alas, I can only dream...
I think Metal Gear 1 & 2 should be retconned, to where the events of those games are greatly fleshed out but still somewhat similar in that its Young Solid Snake vs. Big Boss in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land. It deserves to be more than a DLC for TPP.

I think its a reasonable possibility they will be retconned.
I think its inevitable that they will both be retconned to a certain degree. I toyed with the idea of MG1 and MG2 being additional content to the Phantom Pain, but I also see that the new title format having roman numerals could be the start of something very new, and MG1 and 2 could be redone games to form MGSVI and VII if you will.. completely abolishing MG1 and MG2 and bringing it all back to the Metal Gear Solid franchise.
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abstract-one
May 16 2014, 08:35:48 PM
B3nny56
May 16 2014, 08:01:33 PM
I'm all for the game ending with allusions to the starting of Metal Gear 1; but I think if they were going to remake them they could just be DLC Missions for TPP later on - I'm assuming by the end of TPP Outer Heaven will be fully built; plus he's been saying we'll be able to explore our base - so the map layout for Outer Heaven is definitely already in the game; I don't think it's far fetched to say they could expand on it and turn it into a full MG1 side-ops DLC,
Plus it'd probably work best that way rather than making a full game out of them anyway; it's not like all too much happens: Snake meets Gray Fox, destroys Metal Gear/"kills" Big Boss and retires 'til MG2 - MG2 has Snake destroy the new Metal Gear, fist fight with Fox, then BBQ's Big Boss and retires 'til MGS1. Just doesn't seem like full game material now that those could just be a mission each in TPP if they wanted to.
*sigh* alas, I can only dream...
I think Metal Gear 1 & 2 should be retconned, to where the events of those games are greatly fleshed out but still somewhat similar in that its Young Solid Snake vs. Big Boss in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land. It deserves to be more than a DLC for TPP.

I think its a reasonable possibility they will be retconned.
"Retcon" I hate that word.....but if it's meant to be. I know you disagree swag but I would love to see mg1 and mg2 from bb perspective. Whatever happens though I'm sure it will be epic. This will game will definitely go beyond 1984.
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May 13 2014, 02:48:24 PM
Showing Big Boss' perspective on MG1 wouldn't be exciting at all. The theory of it ending with something alluding to it would work much better.
I agree. What is the point? It's like seeing what Darth Vader was like when the Jedis invaded the Death Star in a New Hope. What is Big Boss going to be doing during Snake's Outer Heaven infiltration? Fapping to Middle Aged Eva?
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May 12 2014, 11:41:01 PM
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May 12 2014, 11:36:19 PM
I have one question before this thread gets merged:

What crazy twists did Kojima pull with all his games, except the Raiden/Snake switch?




Besides MGS4, nothing big
Uh all of the plant chapter on mgs2 😂
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May 16 2014, 08:35:48 PM
B3nny56
May 16 2014, 08:01:33 PM
I'm all for the game ending with allusions to the starting of Metal Gear 1; but I think if they were going to remake them they could just be DLC Missions for TPP later on - I'm assuming by the end of TPP Outer Heaven will be fully built; plus he's been saying we'll be able to explore our base - so the map layout for Outer Heaven is definitely already in the game; I don't think it's far fetched to say they could expand on it and turn it into a full MG1 side-ops DLC,
Plus it'd probably work best that way rather than making a full game out of them anyway; it's not like all too much happens: Snake meets Gray Fox, destroys Metal Gear/"kills" Big Boss and retires 'til MG2 - MG2 has Snake destroy the new Metal Gear, fist fight with Fox, then BBQ's Big Boss and retires 'til MGS1. Just doesn't seem like full game material now that those could just be a mission each in TPP if they wanted to.
*sigh* alas, I can only dream...
I think Metal Gear 1 & 2 should be retconned, to where the events of those games are greatly fleshed out but still somewhat similar in that its Young Solid Snake vs. Big Boss in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land. It deserves to be more than a DLC for TPP.

I think its a reasonable possibility they will be retconned.
It's not really a retcon, more a reimagining. A retcon would be if it was a completely different story that had nothing to do with Outer Heaven or Zanzibar Land. Think of it as like the remake of The Thing, it's a completely different story based around a similar concept, yet it still references the events of The Thing From Another World.
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May 16 2014, 10:20:55 PM
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May 13 2014, 02:48:24 PM
Showing Big Boss' perspective on MG1 wouldn't be exciting at all. The theory of it ending with something alluding to it would work much better.
I agree. What is the point? It's like seeing what Darth Vader was like when the Jedis invaded the Death Star in a New Hope. What is Big Boss going to be doing during Snake's Outer Heaven infiltration? Fapping to Middle Aged Eva?
What is Big Boss doing now? He's a military leader like he was in 1995, but he's not sitting on his ass in his base he's going across the world on missions to build his army and stronghold and take revenge on Skull Face/Cipher. To show MG1 from Big Boss's perspective you only need to set it like maybe a year before the actual Uprising, that would make the game set in 1994 and Big Boss's games since Snake Eater have had an 19X4 theme anyway excluding Portable Ops and Ground Zeroes which is a prologue.

It's a simple process, Kojima invents a fresh storyline to do with Big Boss fighting Cipher as before, it ends with the creation of the finalized Outer Heaven (assuming this doesn't already happen in TPP, it's 10 years premature) and he goes around recruiting the eventual bosses you confronted in MG1, you could also do stuff with FOXHOUND seeing as he'd be in control of it during this time. Then you just end it all with an epilogue set in 1995, with Solid Snake confronting Big Boss and destroying Outer Heaven just as Skull Face destroyed Motherbase in 1975. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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I'll have a wild guess and say it will go all the way to 1989.
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May 17 2014, 07:04:55 AM
It's a simple process, Kojima invents a fresh storyline to do with Big Boss fighting Cipher as before, it ends with the creation of the finalized Outer Heaven (assuming this doesn't already happen in TPP, it's 10 years premature) and he goes around recruiting the eventual bosses you confronted in MG1, you could also do stuff with FOXHOUND seeing as he'd be in control of it during this time. Then you just end it all with an epilogue set in 1995, with Solid Snake confronting Big Boss and destroying Outer Heaven just as Skull Face destroyed Motherbase in 1975. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
So you want MGSV part 2? That is not The Outer Heaven incident.

That idea is horrible, everyone wants the MSX games full reimagined, not a game about recruiting people, remind me of Mass effect 2 that was mostly filler prior to the big event.

If anything, Kojima could expand the original Metal Gear doing the prologue mission with Gray Fox, and in the first half of the main game enter Solid Snake working with the Kyle Schneider resistance (a oportunity to flesh out those characters) in a BIG open world area in Africa taking down diferent bases, outposts, retrieving information etc to plan the main assault on Outer Heaven.
The second and third part of the game would be the main incident inside the massive base.
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B3nny56
May 16 2014, 08:01:33 PM
I'm all for the game ending with allusions to the starting of Metal Gear 1; but I think if they were going to remake them they could just be DLC Missions for TPP later on - I'm assuming by the end of TPP Outer Heaven will be fully built; plus he's been saying we'll be able to explore our base - so the map layout for Outer Heaven is definitely already in the game; I don't think it's far fetched to say they could expand on it and turn it into a full MG1 side-ops DLC,
Plus it'd probably work best that way rather than making a full game out of them anyway; it's not like all too much happens: Snake meets Gray Fox, destroys Metal Gear/"kills" Big Boss and retires 'til MG2 - MG2 has Snake destroy the new Metal Gear, fist fight with Fox, then BBQ's Big Boss and retires 'til MGS1. Just doesn't seem like full game material now that those could just be a mission each in TPP if they wanted to.
*sigh* alas, I can only dream...
If they go through the trouble of creating cutscenes and recording voices for side/extra ops for MG/MG2, they might as well make full games.Makes much more sense.
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I'm pretty keen to see Big Boss' return to the US and him taking command of FOXHOUND again. I'm honestly gonna' be surprised if we only see 1984, theres a few things before Metal Gear that I really want to be elaborated upon.
Edited by Trigsby, May 18 2014, 06:10:22 PM.
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If Kojima decides to remake MG1 and MG2, do you think he will continue having the games be open world? That seems to be the new direction- metal gear goes open world. He wouldn't possibly go back to the classic formula for these remakes?
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I hope not. I want open areas. every open world not made by rockstar is shit and recruiting people and that other shit doesnt make sense with the lone wolf solo style of solid snake
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I think Kojima mentioning that TPP is the game to bridge the gap between the Big Boss era of MGS and the Solid Snake era of MGS is pretty suggestive that this game will go beyond 1984. I think its a brilliant move imo. Given that this era involves almost every major MGS character in some way or another, I think there's a plethora of opportunity to be seized with going beyond just 1984. I'm hoping at least up to 1990.

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May 19 2014, 02:51:43 PM
I think Kojima mentioning that TPP is the game to bridge the gap between the Big Boss era of MGS and the Solid Snake era of MGS is pretty suggestive that this game will go beyond 1984. I think its a brilliant move imo. Given that this era involves almost every major MGS character in some way or another, I think there's a plethora of opportunity to be seized with going beyond just 1984. I'm hoping at least up to 1990.

I conquer, as long as embracing multiple characters doesn't render them meaningless (MGS4).
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I'm thinking the game will have linear chapters that can be approached in a variety of ways like MGS4 but more sandboxy. Each of these chapters will probably take place a year or so apart and end in or around 1990 with Diamond Dogs being integrated into Foxhound. The next few years will be in the hands of the player as they build up Outer Heaven. Solid Snake's induction into the group could easily be shown in an epilogue scene after that like in a fast forward. This ticks all the boxes in terms of filling in the gaps.

A Metal Gear 1 and 2 remake would be too lucrative for them to incorporate into a game that they have already pretty much secured the sales on. Kojima also said a remake wasn't on the cards yet. Why would he lie about it instead of just avoiding the question??
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I think he also said that as much as he'd love to have remakes, they don't have the manpower at the moment to pull it off.
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MG1/2 will be remade exclusively for next/current gen and will be the first true next gen MGS game. Since last gen is holding back MGSV, and knowing Kojima's competitive nature, I foresee him wanting to make a truly next gen instalment, and what better way to do that than remake MG1+2? My opinion, not fact.

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