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Biggest Fears for TPP
Topic Started: May 23 2014, 02:23:41 AM (4,501 Views)
Acid Boss
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Am I missing something?

While I get the whole 'BB turning into a villain', why is it so important that the arc is not conspired to be that he was just a scapegoat in Zero's plan? Zero is (now) clearly out to destroy Big Bosses name, he will do what he can to drag his ass through the mud. Fast forward to MGS4 ending, Big Boss realizes he was wrong in some of his ideologies and admits he was influenced to do what he did. Is it out of whack for him to truly be a misunderstood villain? Liquid talks like he knows Big Boss intimately, but then you later find out a lot of his information on BB was false, so that leads me to believe that MGS1, MGS2, MGS4 characters really new little to nothing about BB's legacy and history besides Zero and Eva.
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Speaking of different mobility and Horsies, IF I DON'T GET THAT PTSD PSYCHOMANTIS ILLUSION FLAMING UNICORN PEGASUS for Horse, then I'm done! I'm passing this game.
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Acid Boss
May 23 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Am I missing something?

While I get the whole 'BB turning into a villain', why is it so important that the arc is not conspired to be that he was just a scapegoat in Zero's plan? Zero is (now) clearly out to destroy Big Bosses name, he will do what he can to drag his ass through the mud. Fast forward to MGS4 ending, Big Boss realizes he was wrong in some of his ideologies and admits he was influenced to do what he did. Is it out of whack for him to truly be a misunderstood villain? Liquid talks like he knows Big Boss intimately, but then you later find out a lot of his information on BB was false, so that leads me to believe that MGS1, MGS2, MGS4 characters really new little to nothing about BB's legacy and history besides Zero and Eva.
You missed the part where he threatens the world with annihilation, creates and raises child soldiers and wants to fan the flames of war all over the world just so he can have wars to fight in.

That's the man he was in MG1/2. If they go the "Zero set him up and he's actually a nice person" route it will completely destroy BB's character

At the end of MGS 4 he admits what he did was wrong but it still doesn't erase the fact that he did all those horrible things.
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That's the man he was in MG1/2. If they go the "Zero set him up and he's actually a nice person" route it will completely destroy BB character


This.
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Thanks for the insight, it's been a consistent battle for me to play through the MG1 and MG2 games just for the story, hence why I'm very eager for remakes if they do get remade in the future.

So the only way for BB to become just a scapegoat in Zeros plan would be to completely retcon MG1 and MG2 to the point where he's more timid than suggested in the originals. Hideo has stated he's not worried about retconning the series for this game.

So all evidence still points to BB being an all out villain in TPP still outside of Kojima's retcon statement.
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May 23 2014, 08:36:48 PM
Acid Boss
May 23 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Am I missing something?

While I get the whole 'BB turning into a villain', why is it so important that the arc is not conspired to be that he was just a scapegoat in Zero's plan? Zero is (now) clearly out to destroy Big Bosses name, he will do what he can to drag his ass through the mud. Fast forward to MGS4 ending, Big Boss realizes he was wrong in some of his ideologies and admits he was influenced to do what he did. Is it out of whack for him to truly be a misunderstood villain? Liquid talks like he knows Big Boss intimately, but then you later find out a lot of his information on BB was false, so that leads me to believe that MGS1, MGS2, MGS4 characters really new little to nothing about BB's legacy and history besides Zero and Eva.
You missed the part where he threatens the world with annihilation, creates and raises child soldiers and wants to fan the flames of war all over the world just so he can have wars to fight in.

That's the man he was in MG1/2. If they go the "Zero set him up and he's actually a nice person" route it will completely destroy BB character

At the end of MGS 4 he admits what he did was wrong but it still doesn't erase the fact that he did all those horrible things.
Sometimes I wonder if they would go the Karma System route.

Good Ending: Big Boss did go the Dark Path but had some humanity and Zero made the World Look at him as a Threat but no one knew Big Boss's true intentions and only those in OT knew of his gallantry and vision and the lives he saved with his leftover humanity. Therefore, has the image as The Boss but a Darker The Boss. Thus leading to Metal Gear. S-Rank no kill and spared some lives, made some good decisions and sacrificed for others' needs. Used Kaz mostly for Intel.

Bad Ending: Responsible for massacres, killed children. Responsible for leading mass rapes and genocide. Instilled fear upon Africa and Afghanistan. Zero has now been responsible for creating a Monster and he must be stopped. Used Fear even on his own comrades but they still respected him for his vision and stayed loyal because of Big Boss's hidden comradeship. No S-Ranks and spared no lives, bad decisions, everything for OT personnel only (Military First). Used Ocelot mostly for Intel. Thus leading to the events of Metal Gear 2.

Of course, MG and MG2 are same timeline but that's one way I looked at it.
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Also, just to add fuel to the fire regarding the topic.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-includes-mother-base-day-night-cycle/1100-6397373/

This article was complete bullshit.

"I can’t reveal too much about what happens after you get in your chopper, but you get in and fly to your base. Then you can walk around your base all in real time,” Kojima revealed. "It's the base that you create. But if you want to focus more on the main missions, you can do that, so you don’t have to customise the base if you don’t want to."

Really?..

Also, what happened to the Day/Night cycle?

While we will see the Day/Night cycle in TPP (as shown in the trailer during the time lapse scene), where is it in Ground Zeroes like that article implies?

Hideo and his team are already back stepping...
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Bladewolf
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
I know some people here trust blindly in Kojima (I dont after the crap he pulled off with GZ).
But maybe we got a Watchdogs Redux type of situation, in GAF, Torashiro, a guy who has direct contect with Kojima and Konami, already told that if Kojima lows his hypemachine a couple of levels he wouldnt have headaches and would make his job more easy.
Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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He said weather changes won't occur in GZ, but will in TPP.

As for BB becoming villain, Kojima stated TPP will be the game he becomes a villain. So that excites me.
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May 23 2014, 09:39:46 PM
He said weather changes won't occur in GZ, but will in TPP.

As for BB becoming villain, Kojima stated TPP will be the game he becomes a villain. So that excites me.
Not disputing that.. but that article I posted clearly states Day/Night cycle for Ground Zeroes, and the ability to WALK on mother base...

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Zero/Patriots/LET still barely having a direct effect on the game and still being behind the scenes
Critical, good, and interesting parts being in cassette tapes
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The story not flowing well due to mission select and side missions (this depends more on me i guess tho)
A big cutdown on cutscenes as they claim theyre making and Big Boss barely talking

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May 23 2014, 09:44:52 PM
Inspector_Swag
May 23 2014, 09:39:46 PM
He said weather changes won't occur in GZ, but will in TPP.

As for BB becoming villain, Kojima stated TPP will be the game he becomes a villain. So that excites me.
Not disputing that.. but that article I posted clearly states Day/Night cycle for Ground Zeroes, and the ability to WALK on mother base...

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Things change in development tho i bet this game was 100% meant to release alongside TPP but because of the development time they released it seperately and removed the extra features that are useless for GZ. Think about it what would be the point of having a day/night cycle n walking around a MB? It just would be meanigless content that would probably be dismissed due to the conditions of the game but thats just my two cents
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Don't fight it.
I was worried about Big Boss speaking less too, but I don't think will be to the extent that people are thinking.
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If BB talks less then Kaz should do too. He dominates the game to much for my taste, BB is the star or? :roy:
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Don't fight it.
I actually like it how it is, Big Boss' lines in GZ seem to stand out to me anyway.
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Luckily, they're working on a way to skip Miller's talking.
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'Kaz, enough already."

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BatouYukinawa
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I fear I'll have to keep seeing posts like this until the damn game comes out. If you don't like the game, make a better one. Or you could just wait for the game to come out and judge it then.

It's possible he was referring to the mountains, and going there before the decision was made to carry over to
next gen platforms
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BatouYukinawa
May 24 2014, 07:59:58 AM
I fear I'll have to keep seeing posts like this until the damn game comes out. If you don't like the game, make a better one. Or you could just wait for the game to come out and judge it then.

This translates to: ''I don't like criticism to my favorite game series but I won't defend it with legit points, so i'm just going to pull a strawman!''
If we need to make a game to be able to criticize other games, then well every critic in existence just invalid.
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