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| Ishmael - Character Thread; All things Ishmael | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 8 2014, 02:21:30 AM (1,567 Views) | |
| uncensored | May 18 2014, 02:27:31 AM Post #81 |
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Heavily-Armed Trooper
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Yea, I'm 90% sure it's a hallucination and BB is just trippin tf out...but there is some form of invasion/escape because Ocelot has BB shooting his way out. As far as "What about him?" I think it's Chico or the Medic, but let's think about it, Kaz isn't there when BB wakes up, so I really doubt that person will also be there unless they had an injury that kept them there for 9 years too..which is highly unlikely. If anything though I just pray it isn't a double. |
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| Kelesis | May 18 2014, 03:55:26 PM Post #82 |
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"Mankind will come together, reunited between these fluffy buns."
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If BB is the one tripping, why can Ishmael and Ocelot see the flaming demon? |
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| TheDankSnake | May 18 2014, 04:05:40 PM Post #83 |
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How is that true at all? Please explain yourself mister |
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| Old Liquid | May 18 2014, 07:16:03 PM Post #84 |
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Wow. |
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| Black Adder | May 18 2014, 07:43:58 PM Post #85 |
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The world would be better without Snakes.
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If it were all inside of Big Boss' head, Ishamel and Ocelot seeing the Flaming Demon that Big Boss conjures wouldn't be far-fetched because they would be figments of his imagination too. |
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| EmmGeeEss | May 30 2014, 08:37:25 PM Post #86 |
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WHAT, SWEEP?!
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Hey hey, everyone! This is something I've wanted to discuss here on the MGSForums for quiet some time now, but because I didn't like the idea of creating a thread with an insane wall of text that people might not even get a quarter of the way through before getting bored, I decided to make a video where everything fits together and flows much better. Namely, a video analysis of as much of the evidence in support of Ishmael being a hallucination as possible. I am not claiming to have been the one to created this theory - I'm very well aware it's been around for a long time now - but, rather, this is my own take on the theory, analysing everything I could find from the three videos we have of Ishmael to support this. ENJOY! I really hope this isn't seen as advertising, or anything like that, but this is the best way in which I'm able to express myself without presenting a boring wall of text, so hopefully everything will be okay, and I would love to hear your thoughts and get a discussion going :D. xx |
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| Trigsby | May 30 2014, 09:10:21 PM Post #87 |
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Don't fight it.
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I didn't read it all I'm afraid, but there were some interesting points being made. I'm generally leaning toward Ishmael being the Medic but the fact that Ishmael's voice hasn't been pitch shifted lower like the Medic's has, could mean that might not be the case. |
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| Risev | May 30 2014, 09:46:10 PM Post #88 |
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Got it Memeorized?
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At the end of the VGA trailer, when we see Big Boss being identified by the soldiers and Psycho Mantis-lookalike rising up nearby, the soldier aiming the gun definitely reacts and turns his face towards that direction before the screen cuts to the black. Obviously, we can't tell for sure because it cuts right after that, but if the soldier was indeed reacting to Mantis then he's real, not just in Big Boss' mind. If we assume that Mantis is indeed real, then Ishmael not reacting surprised when he saw him near the elevator could be explained by him actually knowing about him, thus him not being surprised by seeing him. Also, if Ishmael is indeed real, then him not being intimedated by seeing the patient shot in the head while he and Big Boss were under the bed could be a result of him being experienced with that sort of thing. If you're an experienced soldier, then there is no reason to be surprised by seeing the inevitable. Also, if Ishmael was burning near the elevator as a result of Big Boss' mental state and shock, then he should also be fazed by seeing that soldier shot, yet he isn't. Also, Mantis (if he's real) is most probably not with XOF. We see him on three main occasions. The first is when the elevator exploded, the second is when Snake was identified by the soldiers, and the third is when the chopper spots Big Boss. In all of these occasions, Big Boss is saved. The first time from the elevator explosion, the second from the XOF soldiers who identified him, and the third from the chopper which spotted him. The fourth time is on the horse chasing Big Boss. If Mantis (and demon Volgin) are indeed chasing Big Boss, yet Mantis saved him on a number of occasions, then the only explanation would be that Mantis (and whoever is with him) want Big Boss returned or taken somewhere. Maybe it's Cipher, which would be the most probable scenario. That said, great stuff there. Edited by Risev, May 30 2014, 09:47:32 PM.
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| Hipi07 | May 30 2014, 09:48:58 PM Post #89 |
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Heavily-Armed Trooper
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Didn't you hear? Medic is Ishmael who is Chico who is Raiden |
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| Thermals! | May 30 2014, 10:00:37 PM Post #90 |
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Meh at this point i couldn't care less about any new theory. No offense, i'm sure you put a lot of work into the video. Hideo never intended for us to be able to tell. There are things that point towards him being a hallucination, but there's just enough to make you question it. I wouldn't be surprised if we only got to find out who/what he is near the end of TPP. |
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| Demon | May 30 2014, 11:48:18 PM Post #91 |
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Good Job ! |
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| DrEdArgon | May 31 2014, 01:15:47 AM Post #92 |
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AKA The Game Eater!
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How many Ishmael / theory threads we need? There are already open topics for these: Ishmael Thread Official Conspiracy / THEORIES Thread |
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| Gene | May 31 2014, 01:17:34 AM Post #93 |
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Cheers DrEd. Merged with existing thread. |
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