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First post. Just a few personal theories based off the new trailer.
Topic Started: Jun 9 2014, 11:33:56 PM (3,596 Views)
SolidSnake305
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Looks like the person being drowned is Quiet and maybe BB saves her.

I think BB loses it and starts killing his own men, why I do not know. He obviously joins alliance with Skull Face but why just to get back at Zero?
Edited by SolidSnake305, Jun 10 2014, 03:33:23 AM.
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I can understand it being a "twist" i guess. But still. It's hard to envision the zero we see in MGS3 being the mastermind behind the entire series. Especially when it was never made clear what relationship zero had with the boss. Why would he want to make her will a reality? It was never stated that they were close friends or anything.
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I get you, abstract. He definitely needs to be established. No denying that. I just want MGSV to be its own game that isn't confined to answering the canon while simultaneously holding the game back. I just want the overall better story, even if it has to tell the canon to go to hell.

But Zero should be present, but don't let him interfere with how awesome Skull Face is.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:34:37 AM
I get you, abstract. He definitely needs to be established. No denying that. I just want MGSV to be its own game that isn't confined to answering the canon while simultaneously holding the game back. I just want the overall better story, even if it has to tell the canon to go to hell.

But Zero should be present, but don't let him interfere with how awesome Skull Face is.
I agree with this. Let the game be good on it's own. Not every single person or detail needs to link together with something else from another game. As long as it fits the main plot decently not everyone needs to be related/family/connected or whatever.
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Swear to god that's rex.
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You're making a great first impression, sir.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:43:18 AM
Swear to god that's rex.
Idk man. I see a resemblance, but that doesnt look like rex to me. Like i said, i think its a prototype of the TX-55 or a different metal gear entirely.
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TX-55 prototype? nope. i doubt that.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:43:25 AM
You're making a great first impression, sir.
Glad to know. haha. Like i said, i liked MGS4 but it felt like it was all kind of forced together. Kojima could have left it much more open to new characters and such. If that were the case, there might have been room for a sequel to MGS4. But in my opinion MGS4 basically wraps the entire story in a slightly sloppy matter. Which is why Kojima has been focusing on prequels since then.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:49:09 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:43:25 AM
You're making a great first impression, sir.
Glad to know. haha. Like i said, i liked MGS4 but it felt like it was all kind of forced together. Kojima could have left it much more open to new characters and such. If that were the case, there might have been room for a sequel to MGS4. But in my opinion MGS4 basically wraps the entire story in a slightly sloppy matter. Which is why Kojima has been focusing on prequels since then.
MGS4 needs no excuse. Don't make one for it lol.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:24:25 AM
To be captain hindsight he should have made more of the Big Boss prequels before even attempting to create a sequel to MGS2. That way some better candidates for the 'founding Patriots' could have been created instead of shoehorning the support team from MGS3 in to the role.
Well when mgs3 released everyone complained that they wanted SS' story to continue/end so he was kinda forced to wrap the story up
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Jun 10 2014, 03:47:34 AM
TX-55 prototype? nope. i doubt that.
Why is that? I know it doesnt have the same appearance as TX-55, but it wouldnt be the first time Kojima retconned something. But honestly i think it's a different metal gear entirely. It wouldnt make since for it to be rex that far back. Otacon was the one who designed rex, and at this time he was only a child.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Zero being the villain was awful, regardless of some poorly contrived reasoning some fans make for it.
I do think that Zero being the villain can be a good thing. I also think - and this is what I was trying to say earlier - that it is not and will not be a good thing until his character receives proper development and characterisation. :)
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Jun 10 2014, 03:50:34 AM
MGS4 needs no excuse. Don't make one for it lol.
Oh come on, it wasnt THAT bad hahaha. :D
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I just had to :D

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Jun 10 2014, 03:53:11 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Zero being the villain was awful, regardless of some poorly contrived reasoning some fans make for it.
I do think that Zero being the villain can be a good thing. I also think - and this is what I was trying to say earlier - that it is not and will not be a good thing until his character receives proper development and characterisation. :)
That's just poor writing then. You can't make a guy from 2004 be a villain in 2008 and not develop him until 2015. That's poor execution.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:55:49 AM
I just had to :D

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Jun 10 2014, 03:55:58 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Zero being the villain was awful, regardless of some poorly contrived reasoning some fans make for it.
I do think that Zero being the villain can be a good thing. I also think - and this is what I was trying to say earlier - that it is not and will not be a good thing until his character receives proper development and characterisation. :)
That's just poor writing then. You can't make a guy from 2004 be a villain in 2008 and not develop him until 2015. That's poor execution.
This.


I mean shit, even hearing is VOICE in the phone call with Kaz at the end of PW would have been SOMETHING.
I feel like we don't know who this character is, and it's dissapointing.
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Jun 10 2014, 04:00:41 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:55:58 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:53:11 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Zero being the villain was awful, regardless of some poorly contrived reasoning some fans make for it.
I do think that Zero being the villain can be a good thing. I also think - and this is what I was trying to say earlier - that it is not and will not be a good thing until his character receives proper development and characterisation. :)
That's just poor writing then. You can't make a guy from 2004 be a villain in 2008 and not develop him until 2015. That's poor execution.
This.


I mean shit, even hearing is VOICE in the phone call with Kaz at the end of PW would have been SOMETHING.
I feel like we don't know who this character is, and it's dissapointing.
We don't know who he is now. Tell me how chopper tea drinking, Bond loving Zero became this vast villain? Doesn't matter how you twist it; it's still done bad.
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Jun 10 2014, 04:03:01 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 04:00:41 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:55:58 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:53:11 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 10 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Zero being the villain was awful, regardless of some poorly contrived reasoning some fans make for it.
I do think that Zero being the villain can be a good thing. I also think - and this is what I was trying to say earlier - that it is not and will not be a good thing until his character receives proper development and characterisation. :)
That's just poor writing then. You can't make a guy from 2004 be a villain in 2008 and not develop him until 2015. That's poor execution.
This.


I mean shit, even hearing is VOICE in the phone call with Kaz at the end of PW would have been SOMETHING.
I feel like we don't know who this character is, and it's dissapointing.
We don't know who he is now. Tell me how chopper tea drinking, Bond loving Zero became this vast villain? Doesn't matter how you twist it; it's still done bad.
Well, this is Kojima's chance to redeem himself and zero. I'd be really dissapointed if he didn't bring zero on screen this time around. Anybody heard any rumors of a VA for Zero? I don't even care if it's the same one from MGS3, it would at least confirm his presence in the game as something more than a shadow character.
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