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First post. Just a few personal theories based off the new trailer.
Topic Started: Jun 9 2014, 11:33:56 PM (3,595 Views)
Heisenberg
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No, he hasn't been contacted to return.

Kojima will redeem himself, I'm sure of it.
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Jun 10 2014, 04:17:36 AM
No, he hasn't been contacted to return.

Kojima will redeem himself, I'm sure of it.
I too, have faith sir. He definitely seems to be stepping up his game. Metal Gear is his legacy, after all.
Although I really wish he would do another Zone of the Enders. A game like that on ps4 would be incredible. I can always wish.
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Grab that cane, pop that vicoden and tell them bitches it's not lupus!
Video Game Dick Move: Cutscene where Big Boss thrusts knife at Eli's face will be a button mash QTE, you'll see it and think "FUCK GOTTA DO THIS NOW MASH!!!" and then mash like a mother fucker and the knife goes in Eli's temple and kills him, instant TIME PARADOX game over because you're supposed to fail it.
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You ever wonder...if any of the MGS franchise rations...includes pancakes?

Jack Daniels Whiskey, for when you want to touch as many people as possible!
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Jun 10 2014, 04:39:12 AM
Video Game Dick Move: Cutscene where Big Boss thrusts knife at Eli's face will be a button mash QTE, you'll see it and think "FUCK GOTTA DO THIS NOW MASH!!!" and then mash like a mother fucker and the knife goes in Eli's temple and kills him, instant TIME PARADOX game over because you're supposed to fail it.
No, just no.

You know we'd all just put the controller down to see him die lol.
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Wow, this trailer certainly has made a good impression on me. Almost makes me want to forgive Kojima about the utter stupidity and the self named 'analists' or 'theorists' that MGS4 unleashed, prevalent in this forum. The Oldfield song's just great.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:55:58 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:53:11 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Zero being the villain was awful, regardless of some poorly contrived reasoning some fans make for it.
I do think that Zero being the villain can be a good thing. I also think - and this is what I was trying to say earlier - that it is not and will not be a good thing until his character receives proper development and characterisation. :)
That's just poor writing then. You can't make a guy from 2004 be a villain in 2008 and not develop him until 2015. That's poor execution.
I completely agree. :P As I said, it's not good enough and needs to be addressed in TPP.
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Theory

Yielded by for the weapon to surpass all metal gear is non-existent, as it's a phantom weapon.

So far we have seen Big Boss' journey tackle the typical manifestos of a cold war era, except for one mysterious and lightly discussed phenomenon of this era, you guessed it, telekinesis. This is not just a battle for revenge when in perspective he who dares always wins, so these trying times called for borderline psycho-maniac actions. That being the case, judgment from this trailer, Snake's worst enemy is his own comrades, who by fate would have it, are now all but non-existent. This underscored theorization, fairly undoubtedly vague, one can still asses the idea from such subtle nuances alas 'Spirits of Ground Zeroes', a more obvious 'Tormented by Phantoms.'

Run this a daring step further, inevitable over-analysis of previous trailers, one can also asses that his worst enemy is not just his fallen soldiers that don't exist but of his own. Pitted in a disorderly battle of dual personality, he projects attitudes now known as Punished and Venom. Again while subtle, one can reach thus vague conclusion from the non-obscurely surreal hint at the end of this new trailer. 'Coming 1984' could easily be disseminated to assesed in thousand directions. Following a rather more productive road is adding emphasis on that that's closely related to that which was said, and to do that, yet again one need to rely on similarly previous interrelated hints:'V Has come to' in it's previous form presented, and from that it's a 1 + 1 game, quickly assessing that 'V(enom) is what comes' to live in 1984, and while not to be outdone, 1 * 1 would then also mean that with this definitive point of view, we can easily conclude Venom is Snake's mentally projected personality of the two.

Here's to hoping you haven't lost control to your our own damn mind in some unbeknownst subliminal PK, yet.

Good? Fantastic. Dumb down a little? you got it.

Putting what's been said in perspective, Punished Snake makes more than obvious sense as Snake's default personality plus from that, one can then theorize that the change in attitude is either sudden or waywardly projected by a third party, laughable bottom line being Punished Snake doesn't turn into Venom Snake of his own doing. And the degree in that this Venom disposition comes to personally affect Punished's being (cause it will) is yet to be seen. Truth be told, either personality goes on with definitively defining the BIG BOSS he once was, and then becomes.


An idea is like a parasite. While it's still as naive to conclude this as one man's work, yielded gracefully, there lies great scope in the powers of telekinesis and at their own rights posses the ability to single-highhandedly swift perspective in even a battlefield so thus it's a theoretical idea that carries unto this game. This parasite goes on to affect not just the protagonist, but soldiers and Prisoners of War. Everyone and anyone is liable to fall victim when both sides forge the true potential of thus weapon. Put simply, Dead Rising little minus the biting.

tl;dr

This theory stirred in revenge then mixed with race are what I consider the underlying themes behind The Phantom Pain and what I personally got from this new trailer mixed with the olds. Now, laugh away and bitter as you wish.
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So what I'm understanding so far is that the only purpose of PW was to assemble Mother Base (MSF). If Chico and Paz are already dead before the events of TPP - what exactly was there purpose, other than to bring BB pain?? This story is just losing its tangibility. I'm starting to seriously question Kojima's need to continue with the franchise after mgs2.
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I'd argue that the main purpose of PW was to show Big Boss leaving The Boss behind, turning his back on peace and forming new ideologies. MSF being created is a big part of PW, but not the only thing to come from it.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:31:48 AM
I think BB loses it and starts killing his own men, why I do not know. He obviously joins alliance with Skull Face but why just to get back at Zero?
He seems to have his men fight to the death in order to weed out the weak, kind of like an initiation ceremony.

I'm not fully convinced that Big Boss and Skullface are working together but if this is the case then perhaps the two of them create Outer Heaven together and Big Boss eventually becomes the sole leader by 1995.
Edited by Gaseous-Snake, Jun 10 2014, 07:00:03 PM.
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"if we're not burying them at sea.....what then?"

"we'll make fiddles out of their ashes.....take them into battle with us"
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Jun 10 2014, 08:22:05 PM
"if we're not burying them at sea.....what then?"

"we'll make fiddles out of their ashes.....take them into battle with us"
"Fiddles can be played Huey"
"Venom Snake..."

Okay so uh....I've noticed something in both the Redband and the E32k14 trailers.

Both the ends of each trailer have a "side trailer" of sorts I'm sure everyone remembers.

- In the Redband trailer "PunishedBigNaked Snake" is seen riding in a mini-Metal Gear .

- Then in the E32k14 trailer "Venom Snake" is seen killing what appears to be his own soldiers .

The way these segments are organized, it almost seems like it's a separate teaser for another game. Though it's obviously not THAT extreme, I think mistaken identity is the best explanation .

I think the Big Boss in these trailers is separate than the Big Boss for most of the game. I am going to speculate, that these scenes take place during the final act of the game.

Just pretend for a second that the game is 5 acts like in MGS4. I think Acts 1-4 are actually starring a doppleganger . The final act of MGSv is when you wake up from the coma. Obviously if someone is in a ten year coma they can easily be found and mimicked. This also wouldn't be the first time Big Boss woke up from a coma by the end of one of his own games. Actually as a matter of fact technically wasn't he dead during the Sorrow "battle" in MGS3 ? Digressing...

Someone has commented on this site before that the only reason why his own soldiers would think to apprehend him it seems is because they are probably under the mind control of a young Psycho Mantis. I'd say that's a fair assumption. BB would maybe have infiltrated with a team and shortly after they are taken control of with some sort of plot-tech like nanomachines or something. SOP is as good a theory as any for now.

I like all the other theories about Big Boss taking on Miller. Who knows, maybe Big Boss and Miller are actually on the same side and Big Boss awakens from his coma only to find that this doppleganger of Big Boss, Zero's friend and symbol of power, has effectively mislead Miller so much that Miller believes in Zero's mission and when the real Big Boss tries to convince him to stand down, he refuses and of course, 10 years of thinking and working towards one goal can't exactly be changed in the weeks or so that Big Boss awakens from his coma.

For this reason, I think Psycho Mantis and the other members attacking the hospital where Big Boss is are actually trying to kill him .


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Or it's all in Big Boss's head and Zero is doing it all. Big Boss wakes up and tries to undo the reality that by coincidence is in line with a ten year nightmare. Yup. YAY new theory.
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No doppelgänger. Seriously, what's wrong with you people? Not only would it ruin a crucial point in MGS history, but Kojima himself has said we play as Boss.
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Jun 11 2014, 01:00:24 AM
soggydan1
Jun 10 2014, 08:22:05 PM
"if we're not burying them at sea.....what then?"

"we'll make fiddles out of their ashes.....take them into battle with us"
"Fiddles can be played Huey"
"Venom Snake..."

Okay so uh....I've noticed something in both the Redband and the E32k14 trailers.

Both the ends of each trailer have a "side trailer" of sorts I'm sure everyone remembers.

- In the Redband trailer "PunishedBigNaked Snake" is seen riding in a mini-Metal Gear .

- Then in the E32k14 trailer "Venom Snake" is seen killing what appears to be his own soldiers .

The way these segments are organized, it almost seems like it's a separate teaser for another game. Though it's obviously not THAT extreme, I think mistaken identity is the best explanation .

I think the Big Boss in these trailers is separate than the Big Boss for most of the game. I am going to speculate, that these scenes take place during the final act of the game.

Just pretend for a second that the game is 5 acts like in MGS4. I think Acts 1-4 are actually starring a doppleganger . The final act of MGSv is when you wake up from the coma. Obviously if someone is in a ten year coma they can easily be found and mimicked. This also wouldn't be the first time Big Boss woke up from a coma by the end of one of his own games. Actually as a matter of fact technically wasn't he dead during the Sorrow "battle" in MGS3 ? Digressing...

Someone has commented on this site before that the only reason why his own soldiers would think to apprehend him it seems is because they are probably under the mind control of a young Psycho Mantis. I'd say that's a fair assumption. BB would maybe have infiltrated with a team and shortly after they are taken control of with some sort of plot-tech like nanomachines or something. SOP is as good a theory as any for now.

I like all the other theories about Big Boss taking on Miller. Who knows, maybe Big Boss and Miller are actually on the same side and Big Boss awakens from his coma only to find that this doppleganger of Big Boss, Zero's friend and symbol of power, has effectively mislead Miller so much that Miller believes in Zero's mission and when the real Big Boss tries to convince him to stand down, he refuses and of course, 10 years of thinking and working towards one goal can't exactly be changed in the weeks or so that Big Boss awakens from his coma.

For this reason, I think Psycho Mantis and the other members attacking the hospital where Big Boss is are actually trying to kill him .


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Or it's all in Big Boss's head and Zero is doing it all. Big Boss wakes up and tries to undo the reality that by coincidence is in line with a ten year nightmare. Yup. YAY new theory.
Idk man. I can appreciate your ability to speculate, but to me that theory seems a little far-fetched. And to be honest i would be pissed if kojima pulled some lame shit like that.

I agree that it is possible that BB and Skullface arent working together though. Maybe it's BB trying to lure Skullface into a trap. Using Skullface as a way to get to zero, and then killing skullface. Who knows. From the trailer I also get the impression that BB is giving some type of tour to Skullface and showing him metal gear or something.
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Jun 10 2014, 03:49:09 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:43:25 AM
You're making a great first impression, sir.
Glad to know. haha. Like i said, i liked MGS4 but it felt like it was all kind of forced together. Kojima could have left it much more open to new characters and such. If that were the case, there might have been room for a sequel to MGS4. But in my opinion MGS4 basically wraps the entire story in a slightly sloppy matter. Which is why Kojima has been focusing on prequels since then.
MGS4 had so much stuff happen to it that i honestly think Kojima almost stopped caring in the end. I mean there are quotes from interviews with Kojima after E3 the year before the game released (and interviews again after TGS the same year) were he explicitly said we were going to see Solid Snake DIE in MGS4.

Clearly higher up people in Konami didn't like that idea. Then on top of that look at the scope that was planned for the game in the begining, read about Kojimas vision for a "living battlefield" all that went down the drain, development dragged on for ages things had to be cut.

And in the end we got that worthless piece of fanservice were Big Boss stole the show from Solid Snake. The whole the Patriots being Big Bosses old Scooby-Doo gang and nano-machines bein the answer to every supernatural "?" in the whole MGS universe was also sorta hilarious in a bad way.

"Slightly Sloppy" is the understatement of the year, the whole game is riddled with plotholes.
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Jun 11 2014, 01:42:30 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:49:09 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:43:25 AM
You're making a great first impression, sir.
Glad to know. haha. Like i said, i liked MGS4 but it felt like it was all kind of forced together. Kojima could have left it much more open to new characters and such. If that were the case, there might have been room for a sequel to MGS4. But in my opinion MGS4 basically wraps the entire story in a slightly sloppy matter. Which is why Kojima has been focusing on prequels since then.
MGS4 had so much stuff happen to it that i honestly think Kojima almost stopped caring in the end. I mean there are quotes from interviews with Kojima after E3 the year before the game released (and interviews again after TGS the same year) were he explicitly said we were going to see Solid Snake DIE in MGS4.

Clearly higher up people in Konami didn't like that idea. Then on top of that look at the scope that was planned for the game in the begining, read about Kojimas vision for a "living battlefield" all that went down the drain, development dragged on for ages things had to be cut.

And in the end we got that worthless piece of fanservice were Big Boss stole the show from Solid Snake. The whole the Patriots being Big Bosses old Scooby-Doo gang and nano-machines bein the answer to every supernatural "?" in the whole MGS universe was also sorta hilarious in a bad way.

"Slightly Sloppy" is the understatement of the year, the whole game is riddled with plotholes.
I was just trying to be polite about it. But you are correct. lol. Pretty much that whole game was based on fan-service. But hey, we still have Psycho Mantis' telekinesis though. At least that wasn't dismissed as nanomachines. Especially since he was one of my favorite bosses.
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The use of "Here's To You" in the end of MGS4 should win some sort videogame equivalent of the "Razzie" for most misplaced song in videogaming history.

Don't know if i'll ever understand why Kojima compromised his own vision for the game to the extent he did, i guess that's maybe why he left "Here's to you" in there still. As a nod to what it should have been.

Solid Snake & Otacon being tried , convicted and then executed for their "crimes" in MGS2 regarding the Big Shell incident would have been a brilliant note to end the story of Solid Snake on. And it would have finally broken the circle that started with the death of The Boss.
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Jun 11 2014, 01:57:42 AM


Solid Snake & Otacon being tried , convicted and then executed for their "crimes" in MGS2 regarding the Big Shell incident would have been a brilliant note to end the story of Solid Snake on. And it would have finally broken the circle that started with the death of The Boss.
This is true. But at the same time i feel like MGS4 at least captured the theme of carrying on the sins of those before you. When your playing as Snake crawling through the microwave tunnel, it's truly an emotional scene (despite the lame QTEs) and it shows just how far he'll go to end the cycle of war that the death of the Boss started. That was a part of the plot that I can't complain about.
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Jun 11 2014, 01:29:28 AM
I agree that it is possible that BB and Skullface arent working together though. Maybe it's BB trying to lure Skullface into a trap. Using Skullface as a way to get to zero, and then killing skullface. Who knows. From the trailer I also get the impression that BB is giving some type of tour to Skullface and showing him metal gear or something.
I personally think that it would be cool as hell if Big Boss fools everyone, including us, into thinking that he's aligned himself with Skullface, only to lead him into a trap, and then tortures the shit out of him just like Skullface did to Chico and Paz.

Funny thing is, this would make Big Boss no better than Skullface in the end.







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Jun 11 2014, 02:06:11 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 01:29:28 AM
I agree that it is possible that BB and Skullface arent working together though. Maybe it's BB trying to lure Skullface into a trap. Using Skullface as a way to get to zero, and then killing skullface. Who knows. From the trailer I also get the impression that BB is giving some type of tour to Skullface and showing him metal gear or something.
I personally think that it would be cool as hell if Big Boss fools everyone, including us, into thinking that he's aligned himself with Skullface, only to lead him into a trap, and then tortures the shit out of him just like Skullface did to Chico and Paz.

Funny thing is, this would make Big Boss no better than Skullface in the end.







mister skullface would be stupid to trust an enemy to that extent unless bb did some vile things to prove something to him
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