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I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea..; I will always be with you. (A theory to upset Eagle)
Topic Started: Jun 11 2014, 05:08:44 AM (11,744 Views)
Hakola
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Jun 11 2014, 09:21:03 AM
Maybe, just maybe, after Big Boss came back from the coma, one of his first order was to took remains of MSF soldiers who died when attack on Motherbase happened 9 years ago from the bottom of the sea and it's them who are they cremate.
Sincerely doubt that.

After nine years at sea those bodies would be impossible to find.
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How would they be Paz's ashes if she jumped into the ocean and blew up mid air? There is no way possible those are her ashes.

If anything they'd be Chico's, but even then I'd doubt it. Unless this scene is much later into the game.
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I think the line "spirits of Ground Zeroes" that is shown in the trailer can support this :)
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He mentioned something interesting... Konami, they claim that what they're doing in Casinos are the missing piece... money, to surpass video games.
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I'm guessing they were killed in Africa. I also believe that snake could also be shooting at the prisoners that he hands the diamonds to as they of might of been responsible for the deaths of his comrades.
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Jun 11 2014, 09:04:22 AM
To be honest this event thing should have been after the heli crash. I dunno it makes the whole ''I can still feel my dead comrades'' thing less strong and kind of redundant since he'll go through that phase with DiDo rather than losing Mother Base.
I agree with this. Unless there's a significant cutscene before the coma. I think this would make a lot more sense with the MSF crew than DiDo
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Jun 11 2014, 05:20:25 PM
I'm guessing they were killed in Africa. I also believe that snake could also be shooting at the prisoners that he hands the diamonds to as they of might of been responsible for the deaths of his comrades.
This. I still see him shooting the children.
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Jun 11 2014, 04:40:25 PM
I think the line "spirits of Ground Zeroes" that is shown in the trailer can support this :)
Notice they don't just say spirit.

Some of you guys being up some good points.


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Why does the new theories have to involve Chico? He wasn't a good character, goddamn.
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Jun 11 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Why does the new theories have to involve Chico? He wasn't a good character, goddamn.
Because they are getting rid of the ashes of the people who died during the Mother Base attack and Chico's fate is unknown...Chico could've died
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I don't think the diamonds in the trailer are the ones he makes from the ashes. Artificial diamond is not very pure. Let alone clear. It looks like charcoal. Because it's just carbon. I doubt they have any value other than sentimental
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I don't think they're burning the bodies of those who died at the end of Ground Zeroes. That was 9 years ago, and I think it's hard to find their bodies considering they're all at the bottom of the ocean and stuff. I think this is something else entirely, different people from Diamond Dogs who died.
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Jun 11 2014, 05:57:49 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 05:52:21 AM
There is absolutely no reason to believe this is Chico. Besides, it wasn't only one person's ashes, there were several urns.

This is the most likely scenario:

They burned the bodies of several Diamond Dogs soldiers like we've seen in the trailer, who all died due to some reason. After that, they gathered near the sea at the base to scatter the ashes at sea. A soldier comes forward with the first urn with the ashes to scatter and Big Boss stops him. He opened the urn and rubbed the ashes on his face.

Big Boss: "I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you"
Kaz: "We're not burying them at sea?"
Big Boss: "We'll make diamond out of their ashes, take them into battle with us"
Kaz: "A shining light..... For our brothers in arms"


This is a way more likely scenario than the ashes being Chico's or Paz's
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Big Boss: "We are Diamond Dogs"

Kaz: "Uhh. Yeah boss. It says that right here on our patches"

I know you were joking with the second part but "We are Diamond Dogs" appears to be the first line of dialogue in that scene since BB has no ashes on his face and the soldier who brings up the first urn is standing behind him holding it when he says it. So basically the order would be:

Big Boss: "We are diamond dogs"
[dialogue missing]

A soldier comes forward with the first urn with the ashes to scatter and Big Boss stops him. He opened the urn and rubbed the ashes on his face.

Big Boss: "I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you"
Kaz: "We're not burying them at sea?"
Big Boss: "We'll make diamond out of their ashes, take them into battle with us"
Kaz: "A shining light..... For our brothers in arms"


I also think we've been shown all of the scenes connected to the dialogue in the previous trailer.

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Edited by Gaseous-Snake, Jun 11 2014, 07:41:22 PM.
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Could Big Boss's horn be the memorial diamond? That'd be pretty cool.

Except I don't know how it'd get there...
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Jun 11 2014, 07:46:35 PM
Could Big Boss's horn be the memorial diamond? That'd be pretty cool.

Except I don't know how it'd get there...
Too big to be a diamond. And he has it when he wakes up from the coma before he joins Diamond Dogs.
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Jun 11 2014, 08:12:16 PM
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Jun 11 2014, 07:46:35 PM
Could Big Boss's horn be the memorial diamond? That'd be pretty cool.

Except I don't know how it'd get there...
Too big to be a diamond. And he has it when he wakes up from the coma before he joins Diamond Dogs.
Is it really there after the coma?

But yeah, it'd be a dumb scene if Big Boss jams a hand-sized diamond into his skull, I suppose.
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Jun 11 2014, 05:41:06 PM
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Jun 11 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Why does the new theories have to involve Chico? He wasn't a good character, goddamn.
Because they are getting rid of the ashes of the people who died during the Mother Base attack and Chico's fate is unknown...Chico could've died
Because Big Boss is really going to give two fucks about an annoying brat who fucked up twice within his services over than some unknown mook soldiers who were something to him.
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Jun 11 2014, 09:37:19 PM
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Jun 11 2014, 05:41:06 PM
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Jun 11 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Why does the new theories have to involve Chico? He wasn't a good character, goddamn.
Because they are getting rid of the ashes of the people who died during the Mother Base attack and Chico's fate is unknown...Chico could've died
Because Big Boss is really going to give two fucks about an annoying brat who fucked up twice within his services over than some unknown mook soldiers who were something to him.
Yes, Big Boss gives two fucks about Chico because he was a kid and one of his men, even if still a child. And Snake knows that Chico fucked up and doesn't care, you see that in Ground Zeroes.
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Jun 11 2014, 05:38:32 AM
I feel like it's a general statement to all the soldiers he's lost
Agree with this, don't think it's supposed to be anyone in particular.
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Sorry, wrong thread.
Edited by Eagle, Jun 12 2014, 02:32:28 AM.
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