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I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea..; I will always be with you. (A theory to upset Eagle)
Topic Started: Jun 11 2014, 05:08:44 AM (11,739 Views)
Hakola
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I don't know, but for 1998 Gray Fox was well-written by video game standards.

We're almost 20 years past that mark, so sure -- things have progressed.

As for Raiden being arrogant? Please. Sir. Yes.

"It's VR, sure! But it's still just like the real thing! I've played all of the Call of Duty games, seen Saving Private Ryan three times and I own two BB guns! I'm totally worthy of the codename 'Snake'! Why'd you change my codename! *whine whine cry*"

But yeah, MGS4 and Revengeance totally raped his character development and he was better before that, but I never thought he was a good character. Just bearable. :)
"Who the hell are you!?"
"Hurt me, Snake! HURT ME MORE!"
"GRAY FOX!"
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Crimson Rex
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JenniferNova
Jun 14 2014, 01:48:08 AM
but I never thought he was a good character.
Of course you don't, you don't have the ability to know what a good character is.
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Bladewolf
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
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Edited by Bladewolf, Jun 15 2014, 04:33:32 AM.
Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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Bladewolf
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
Arachnid
Jun 14 2014, 12:59:47 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 14 2014, 12:10:48 AM
Arachnid
Jun 14 2014, 12:00:11 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 13 2014, 07:39:09 PM
JenniferNova
Jun 13 2014, 08:54:53 AM
Eagle
Jun 12 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Nacktreiten
Jun 12 2014, 06:10:56 PM
You're right, I do want him dead because he wasn't a very good character. He's more of a burden than anything, and in a game that's supposed to show Big Boss' face-heel turn having him around as dead weight would be horrible.
You assume that Chico might not change. Who's to say he won't become like Raiden? And just because you don't think he's a good character doesn't mean others don't.
How would him becoming like Raiden make him a good character?

Raiden went from a whiny, arrogant asshat to a second-rate Gray Fox-wannabe. :p

And Chico's only been a burden so far. I can see people really dislike him.
LOL at anyone selling Fox as a badass memorable character, loser gets his shit wrecked in every fight, he is the poster boy of overrated one note nostalgia character, the Boba Fett of the MGS series.

Its amazing how people bitch about raiden being a ''whiny'' character, but considers big boss a badass one, despite the fact he is the most linkin park angst ridden crybaby character in the entire series, a beard does wonders for a character i guess.
You mean the same guy who was a bit pissed when his base was destroyed and his army was wiped out but was over it by the next scene?

Or the same guy who had no reaction to being in a 9 year coma other than a few questions?

Or are you talking about how he was sad about having to kill the Boss for a span of two games (if you count portable ops) but got over it in the second one? Your right, he was only forced to kill his mother figure. What a whiner lol

To be honest, anyone who thinks Raiden is cool but thinks Gray Fox is lame and overrated (and considers Boba Fett the same) loses all credibility anyways.
Don't talk shit about Raiden. He's far more developed and interesting in MGS2 alone than Big Boss has been from MGS3 and PW.
We're probably gonna have to agree to disagree on that. Raiden was one character in MGS2 (who I actually liked) and then a completely different character in MGS4 (who was a massive step down. I don't call that development. They could have made him a completely new character in 4 and nothing would have felt out of place.

Big Boss, on the other hand, we actually see learn and develop throughout the series. Solid Snake is my favorite, but there is no denying that Big Boss has had the most character development of any character in the series.
Big Boss is a poor character, maybe MGSV change that. The only good BB is the PO one, most of his ''deep character development'' is angst about the same thing over and over in the course of three games, and your first two examples are from this new mute/autistic MGSV Big Boss so no, the guy is very emo, if anything all MSF, Outer Heaven, Zanzibar soliders deaths are his fault for being a shitty second-rate Che Guevara wannabe.
Sorry but between living the hell that Jack suffered in his childhood and blowing a hole in my friend head, i friggin choose destroying that head. Raiden had it MUCH worse.

And yeah going by pure feats Raiden >>> Grey ''i got my ass kicked in every fight im in'' Fox, let alone being a better character, i know its must hurt to foxy fanboys that Raiden has his own series now and the Kojipro team and even Platinum doesnt want to touch the fox character not even with 10foot stick besides of being sentenced to the skin/color change limbo, but the strong prey upon the weak, is just nature running its course ;)

Crimson Rex
Jun 14 2014, 03:58:22 AM
JenniferNova
Jun 14 2014, 01:48:08 AM
but I never thought he was a good character.
Of course you don't, you don't have the ability to know what a good character is.
He/She has a avatar of the most monotone Mary Sueish character in gaming so i think he/she knows jack.
Edited by Bladewolf, Jun 15 2014, 05:00:17 PM.
Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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Bladewolf
Jun 15 2014, 04:32:14 AM
Crimson Rex
Jun 14 2014, 03:58:22 AM
JenniferNova
Jun 14 2014, 01:48:08 AM
but I never thought he was a good character.
Of course you don't, you don't have the ability to know what a good character is.
He/She has a avatar of the most monotone Mary Sueish character in gaming so i think he/she knows jack.
The irony is strong in this one.
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Hakola
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Bladewolf
Jun 15 2014, 04:32:14 AM
He/She has a avatar of the most monotone Mary Sueish character in gaming so i think he/she knows jack.
Not particularly fond of the character, but it's one of very few female characters in the franchise which isn't a completely terrible character or some fan-service fucktoy.

And on another note, why the constant attitude?
Edited by Hakola, Jun 15 2014, 06:51:58 PM.
"Who the hell are you!?"
"Hurt me, Snake! HURT ME MORE!"
"GRAY FOX!"
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Lol Bladewolf doesn't like The Boss.
He / she has that avatar for trolling means.


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Wow... The 'badass' attitude of some members is really embarrasing.
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