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ELI... Solid Snake
Topic Started: Jun 15 2014, 10:27:38 PM (7,456 Views)
Burn311
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Hi guys, I'm new here so go easy on me if this has already been discussed before, i tried to search the topics but couldn't find anything. Basically what are the chances that Eli is not Liquid Snake, but in fact Solid Snake. I mean in the MGS1 briefings Solid Snake has long blonde hair. Its debatable whether this was a mistake or not but if Solid Snake's natural hair colour is in fact blonde this could at least be a possibility? I'm quite surprised no one (at least no where ive seen) has discussed this possibility and just jumping on the fact that it MUST BE Liquid. Unless I'm missing something really obvious which proves that it cant be Solid Snake. Like I say guys go easy on me haha, i just thought i'd put this out here
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jonhou
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The kanji on Eli's jacket roughly translate to "liquid person/human/people". So my guess would be that it is Liquid.
Edited by jonhou, Jun 15 2014, 10:31:20 PM.
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The Doctor
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Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
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Real name of Solid Snake is David.
Also japanese title on his jacket says "Liquid Man".

I believe that Solid Snake will have his moment in TPP, like cameo or something, but lots of other characters like whole Foxhound unit from MGS1 and many deserves their own moments more. We know almost everything about Solid Snake from MG1-2, MGS1 and MGS4, there is no reason to force him into the story of Big Boss.
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Burn311
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Jun 15 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
Everyone seems to think it's Liquid, and seeing as though they're twins, that's enough of a similarity for me to think it possibly could be Solid. Don't have to be such a dick about it.
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It's Liquid for me too. Hope to see solid aswell, also i would like to see young drebin.
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He has brown hair in Sons of Liberty.

What would be the reason of him dying is hair then?
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I don't see how Eli is Solid Snake. Eveything screams "Liquid".

His hair, his gloves, the fact that he's showing his chest, the cocky/arrogant attitude, his voice actor is Brittish, his character description says "A Youth Who Curses His Genes Fate", the Kanji on his jacket translates to "Liquid Man" and he fights BB in the trailer because he hates him.
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Burn311
Jun 15 2014, 11:25:49 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
Everyone seems to think it's Liquid, and seeing as though they're twins, that's enough of a similarity for me to think it possibly could be Solid. Don't have to be such a dick about it.
You do know twins don't always look alike? Twins are given to more than one infant produced into the world on the same day, not because they look alike. My best friend has a twin brother and looks nothing like him. Your point?

Plus why would Solid Snake go from nearly killing a guy, eleven years later, following his orders?
Edited by The Doctor, Jun 15 2014, 11:48:00 PM.
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Syke, oh, Mantis
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They're not just in-utero twins. They're clones. Bit of a difference. But that's not Solid Snake.
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And given that, they are not all identical

Solid Snake = Young Big Boss
Solidus Snake = Perfect copy of Big Boss
Liquid Snake = Non-Big Boss appearance
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Burn311
Jun 15 2014, 11:25:49 PM
Don't have to be such a dick about it.
No one's being a dick. We're just debunking your theory.
Edited by Snake Eater, Jun 15 2014, 11:52:24 PM.
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The Doctor
Jun 15 2014, 11:46:54 PM
Burn311
Jun 15 2014, 11:25:49 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
Everyone seems to think it's Liquid, and seeing as though they're twins, that's enough of a similarity for me to think it possibly could be Solid. Don't have to be such a dick about it.
You do know twins don't always look alike? Twins are given to more than one infant produced into the world on the same day, not because they look alike. My best friend has a twin brother and looks nothing like him. Your point?

Plus why would Solid Snake go from nearly killing a guy, eleven years later, following his orders?
To be fair though, they were pretty identical:

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I don't know [Liquid's] real name. That information is so highly classified that even I can't look at it. Here's a photo of him. Pretty shocking, huh? His skin tone is a little different but otherwise you two are exact duplicates.


Overall however, the name, his title in the trailer and his clothes all point towards Eli being Liquid.
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Burn311
Jun 15 2014, 11:25:49 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
Everyone seems to think it's Liquid, and seeing as though they're twins, that's enough of a similarity for me to think it possibly could be Solid. Don't have to be such a dick about it.
If you think The Doctor is being a dick with his response, you need to grow tougher skin to survive on these forums let alone the internets…

Eli = Liquid
David = Solid

These names are biblical in nature and naturally refer to the specific "snake". I know you have hopes of seeing Solid Snake in TPP, and perhaps he'll be in the game, but this Eli kid is definitely Liquid. He's got Jackal teeth hanging around his neck and Liquid was known to hunt Jackals. Too many signs point to Eli being Liquid and not Solid.

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Jun 16 2014, 12:01:58 AM
The Doctor
Jun 15 2014, 11:46:54 PM
Burn311
Jun 15 2014, 11:25:49 PM
The Doctor
Jun 15 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
Everyone seems to think it's Liquid, and seeing as though they're twins, that's enough of a similarity for me to think it possibly could be Solid. Don't have to be such a dick about it.
You do know twins don't always look alike? Twins are given to more than one infant produced into the world on the same day, not because they look alike. My best friend has a twin brother and looks nothing like him. Your point?

Plus why would Solid Snake go from nearly killing a guy, eleven years later, following his orders?
To be fair though, they were pretty identical:

Campbell in MGS1
 
I don't know [Liquid's] real name. That information is so highly classified that even I can't look at it. Here's a photo of him. Pretty shocking, huh? His skin tone is a little different but otherwise you two are exact duplicates.


Overall however, the name, his title in the trailer and his clothes all point towards Eli being Liquid.
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Nothing about Eli being SS makes sense and there is so much evidence that Eli is Liquid it's crazy. :p
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The Doctor
Jun 15 2014, 11:51:08 PM
And given that, they are not all identical

Solid Snake = Young Big Boss
Solidus Snake = Perfect copy of Big Boss
Liquid Snake = Non-Big Boss appearance
Non-Big Boss appearance? He seems to have dark roots (indicating his hair was indeed bleached by the sun) and the same colour eyes. And his model was identical to Solid's but for different colour hair.
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Burn311
Jun 15 2014, 11:25:49 PM
The Doctor
Jun 15 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Unless Solid Snake is a Time-Lord and can change his appearance, I doubt it. Look at Eli, then look at Solid Snake. Do you see any similarities...No
Everyone seems to think it's Liquid, and seeing as though they're twins, that's enough of a similarity for me to think it possibly could be Solid. Don't have to be such a dick about it.
I don't think he's being a dick. Maybe he didn't mention every reason but there's a quite a few that have pushed everyone into think Eli is Liquid, and that's all he's saying. Ultimately, we'll never know until the game comes out but at the moment it's looking that way - if for no other reason other than the title that appears under his name in E3 2013 trailer.

My suggestion? You're new to the forum so just relax and don't go round calling people dicks. Start by joining in with existing discussions and that way you might not feel like your ideas/theories are getting shot down.
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It's definitely Liquid. This is a typical, misunderstood Kojima moment. 8/10 Kojima isn't being misleading. However, his senseless fanbase thinks every part of his creation is some concealed troll. He is presented exactly as Liquid simply because he is. There's no attempt to mislead us.
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