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ELI... Solid Snake
Topic Started: Jun 15 2014, 10:27:38 PM (7,462 Views)
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The supposedly blonde/lighter hair of Solid Snake in briefing video was based from his earlier artworks for MGS1 which is originally blonde hair rather than brown, maybe they're a bit lazy to change the color of his hair for the final product in briefing tapes. Note that in Twin Snakes version, he already has a darker or brown hair in briefing tapes.
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Jun 16 2014, 04:53:54 AM
Kojima has already comfirmed that this game will bridge the gap between the BB saga and the SS saga
And? Bridging the gap between something does not mean it's going to cover every single year between them, like the original concept for Metal Gear Rising, it was supposed to bridge the gap of Raiden's story between MGS2 and 4, yet it wasn't going to cover every year between the two.

All this game has to do to bridge the gap between it and Metal Gear is have Big Boss establish the real Outer Heaven and regain command of FOXHOUND, sure you could make the argument that building Outer Heaven would take a lot of time, but then you'd have to consider the fact that the entirety of Mother Base was built in less than two months considering the fact that the story begins in November of 74 and ends before the end of that year and Ground Zeroes takes place a month after Peace Walker's second ending.

That and the fact that it's been confirmed that Big Boss makes a recovery from his coma within ten days of escaping the hospital, pretty much means that things that would take quite some time to do in real life, can take mere days in the game.

Bridging the gap between the Big Boss games and the Solid Snake games just means that they're closing Big Boss's story up and the next major event in the plot is the Outer Heaven uprising, it doesn't mean that Phantom Pain is going to have a story that has an eleven year time span.
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Jun 16 2014, 08:51:39 PM
TheDankSnake
Jun 16 2014, 04:53:54 AM
Kojima has already comfirmed that this game will bridge the gap between the BB saga and the SS saga
And? Bridging the gap between something does not mean it's going to cover every single year between them, like the original concept for Metal Gear Rising, it was supposed to bridge the gap of Raiden's story between MGS2 and 4, yet it wasn't going to cover every year between the two.

All this game has to do to bridge the gap between it and Metal Gear is have Big Boss establish the real Outer Heaven and regain command of FOXHOUND, sure you could make the argument that building Outer Heaven would take a lot of time, but then you'd have to consider the fact that the entirety of Mother Base was built in less than two months considering the fact that the story begins in November of 74 and ends before the end of that year and Ground Zeroes takes place a month after Peace Walker's second ending.

That and the fact that it's been confirmed that Big Boss makes a recovery from his coma within ten days of escaping the hospital, pretty much means that things that would take quite some time to do in real life, can take mere days in the game.

Bridging the gap between the Big Boss games and the Solid Snake games just means that they're closing Big Boss's story up and the next major event in the plot is the Outer Heaven uprising, it doesn't mean that Phantom Pain is going to have a story that has an eleven year time span.
Couldn't agree more :)

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Didn't Eli's jacket say "Liquid Boy" or something in Japanese?

Also, from what I gathered Solid didn't know that Big Boss was his father until 1995, essentially and didn't meet him until much later. Liquid is the one he brought up and treated like shit.

And as a sidenote: when I played MG1 and MG2 they didn't touch on the "I'm your father!" thing later brought up in MGS. Did I miss something or is that the way it is?
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KoRnFlakes
Jun 16 2014, 08:51:39 PM
TheDankSnake
Jun 16 2014, 04:53:54 AM
Kojima has already comfirmed that this game will bridge the gap between the BB saga and the SS saga
And? Bridging the gap between something does not mean it's going to cover every single year between them, like the original concept for Metal Gear Rising, it was supposed to bridge the gap of Raiden's story between MGS2 and 4, yet it wasn't going to cover every year between the two.

All this game has to do to bridge the gap between it and Metal Gear is have Big Boss establish the real Outer Heaven and regain command of FOXHOUND, sure you could make the argument that building Outer Heaven would take a lot of time, but then you'd have to consider the fact that the entirety of Mother Base was built in less than two months considering the fact that the story begins in November of 74 and ends before the end of that year and Ground Zeroes takes place a month after Peace Walker's second ending.

That and the fact that it's been confirmed that Big Boss makes a recovery from his coma within ten days of escaping the hospital, pretty much means that things that would take quite some time to do in real life, can take mere days in the game.

Bridging the gap between the Big Boss games and the Solid Snake games just means that they're closing Big Boss's story up and the next major event in the plot is the Outer Heaven uprising, it doesn't mean that Phantom Pain is going to have a story that has an eleven year time span.
Once again,

The game itself will most indefinitely not cover a 11 year time span between the events of TPP and MG1, however it will shed light on the backstory involving the events in that time span leading up to MG1. That doesn't mean for one second that this game can't take place encompassing story and gameplay for more than 1 year.

Also, it has not been confirmed that big boss makes a recovery from his coma in 10 days, its confirmed that Kaz is in captivity for 10 days before BB rescues him, leading to no concrete fact that Kaz was already captured when Big Boss awakes from his coma, we could see a flash forward of a month later or a few months forward for Big Boss to regain his muscle mass, in keeping with Hideo's vision for the game in photo realism and re-designing the MGS franchise for more a more 'real' take on this, I can hardly see Big Boss gaining his muscle mass back in 10 days. Kaz also shows signs of prolonged growth from his rescue to later in the trailers when he is in the trench coat..
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It just came up: Eli is Decoy Octopus. Topic closed.
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Jun 16 2014, 09:03:17 PM
Didn't Eli's jacket say "Liquid Boy" or something in Japanese?

Also, from what I gathered Solid didn't know that Big Boss was his father until 1995, essentially and didn't meet him until much later. Liquid is the one he brought up and treated like shit.

And as a sidenote: when I played MG1 and MG2 they didn't touch on the "I'm your father!" thing later brought up in MGS. Did I miss something or is that the way it is?
You did't miss anything. BB never told Snake he was his father in MG1 or 2. It was all added in MGS1.
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Jun 16 2014, 09:03:17 PM
Didn't Eli's jacket say "Liquid Boy" or something in Japanese?

Also, from what I gathered Solid didn't know that Big Boss was his father until 1995, essentially and didn't meet him until much later. Liquid is the one he brought up and treated like shit.

And as a sidenote: when I played MG1 and MG2 they didn't touch on the "I'm your father!" thing later brought up in MGS. Did I miss something or is that the way it is?
You did't miss anything. BB never told Snake he was his father in MG1 or 2. It was all added in MGS1.
Thanks.

I had a feeling that was the case and was semi-disappointed when Kojima didn't rip off Star Wars in MG2. xD
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Jun 16 2014, 09:03:17 PM
Didn't Eli's jacket say "Liquid Boy" or something in Japanese?

Also, from what I gathered Solid didn't know that Big Boss was his father until 1995, essentially and didn't meet him until much later. Liquid is the one he brought up and treated like shit.

And as a sidenote: when I played MG1 and MG2 they didn't touch on the "I'm your father!" thing later brought up in MGS. Did I miss something or is that the way it is?
1999 you mean, 95 was Outer Heaven, 99 was Zanzibar.

But yeah, you're right, the whole "SNAKE I AM YOUR FATHER!!!" thing didn't exist until MGS1.
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I said topic closed. Don't you people see it? Octopus is Finally revealed to be Eli. God, people are so naive in these days.
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This. Cheers mate.

This is obviously way out of my hands now but i just wanted to say I literally joined this forum to ask this question because I didn't see anyone else discussing it... It wasn't a theory as such I just wanted to know the facts of why it couldn't be Solid. The Doctor's comments about Solid and Liquid not being identical baffled me as In MGS1 they are always referred to as looking very alike. The sarcastic comments left by some members here have really changed my mind of potentially becoming part of this community, really not welcoming in the slightest. I cannot be arsed with this to be honest, people trying to 'one up' me for asking a question i didn't know the answer for and starting a discussion, which by the way this is what a forum is for. Don't worry, I wont be coming back on here, doesn't seem a friendly place. This may seem drastic but for me this isn't the response i wanted from a MGS forum. Thankyou to the people who were genuinely nice and helpful with there reply's but I'm out
Not quite sure how people were actually being dicks to this guy but if he perceives it as such then that's his problem. This forum isn't that bad, I see a lot worse. Sarcasm is to be expected on the internet, but don't take it the wrong way. He who gives offence is a fool, but he who takes offence is an even greater fool. That is what I meant about growing thicker skin.

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That and the fact that it's been confirmed that Big Boss makes a recovery from his coma within ten days of escaping the hospital, pretty much means that things that would take quite some time to do in real life, can take mere days in the game.
Why doesn't it prove there was more time between escaping and rescuing Kaz? Why are you assuming Ocelot was around when Kaz was taken, then rescued Big Boss?

Kaz could have been fine for the months (or how ever long) it took for Big Boss to build himself back up. Ocelot and Big Boss could have been in a different place training. Montage. Fighting tutorial. "Oh shit someone on the radio has said that Kaz has been kidnapped" - "But I'm not used to my arm yet?" - "I think we can deal." - "We!? Me! No way I can, and I'm having trouble remembering things" - "Now go! Bring the legend back to life ;) "
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Exactly! ;)
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Jun 16 2014, 09:43:56 PM
JenniferNova
Jun 16 2014, 09:03:17 PM
Didn't Eli's jacket say "Liquid Boy" or something in Japanese?

Also, from what I gathered Solid didn't know that Big Boss was his father until 1995, essentially and didn't meet him until much later. Liquid is the one he brought up and treated like shit.

And as a sidenote: when I played MG1 and MG2 they didn't touch on the "I'm your father!" thing later brought up in MGS. Did I miss something or is that the way it is?
1999 you mean, 95 was Outer Heaven, 99 was Zanzibar.

But yeah, you're right, the whole "SNAKE I AM YOUR FATHER!!!" thing didn't exist until MGS1.
Because BB never sees his clones as sons, not until MGS4. Even then he saw them more as brothers
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Something maybe just clicked. How awesome would it be to play as liquid? (Several years after we are introduced to Eli). I could see this being one of those twists in the middle of the game, similar to mgs2 where the player is thrown into some guy named raiden's sneaking suit... Which completely threw me off. Plus, I do not recall anything about what liquid was doing during the mg1 days. Anyone?
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That'd be dumb. And for the millionth time, we play as just Snake.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:16:36 AM
Something maybe just clicked. How awesome would it be to play as liquid? (Several years after we are introduced to Eli). I could see this being one of those twists in the middle of the game, similar to mgs2 where the player is thrown into some guy named raiden's sneaking suit... Which completely threw me off. Plus, I do not recall anything about what liquid was doing during the mg1 days. Anyone?
It's been confirmed we only play as one person in the game, so it's either all Big Boss or all Liquid then. I think BB is more likely. :)

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Well, what WAS Liquid doing around mg1?
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Well, what WAS Liquid doing around mg1?
Being kept hostage?
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